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Population shrinking, PLEASE do something
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it...
Have you even been to Cyrodiil? You will find a higher percentage of radiant mounts, arms packs, polymorphs, and whatnot there than anywhere else in the game. And PvPers have some of the best, most expensively decorated houses you will find.
ZOS absolutely IS hurting themselves by neglecting PvPers. There would be so many more players if they raised the population caps. And more players if there weren't so many crashes, lags, and stuck in combat type bugs. That's 100% on them. So if the PvP community isn't bringing in enough money to satisfy ZOS' bottom line, well, that's not on us.
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TheMajority✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it...
Have you even been to Cyrodiil? You will find a higher percentage of radiant mounts, arms packs, polymorphs, and whatnot there than anywhere else in the game. And PvPers have some of the best, most expensively decorated houses you will find.
ZOS absolutely IS hurting themselves by neglecting PvPers. There would be so many more players if they raised the population caps. And more players if there weren't so many crashes, lags, and stuck in combat type bugs. That's 100% on them. So if the PvP community isn't bringing in enough money to satisfy ZOS' bottom line, well, that's not on us.
its the truth, PVP players want to be noticed on the battlefield
had the good fortune to meet and befriend another forum member in Cyro who PVP's and they have some of the fanciest houses I ever saw. millions in gold and hundreds of dollars spent, looks fantastic, and lots of PVP furnishing on display. they are currently helping me learn the ropes so I can get some of the furnishings, dyes and titles too
which is why pvp player deserve better cosmetic rewards because they're very hard working towards such displayes of their prowess in pvpTime flies like an arrow- but fruit flies like a banana.
Sorry for my English, I do not always have a translation tool available. Thank you for your patience with our conversation and working towards our mutual understanding of the topic.13 -
Tinkerhorn✭✭✭To use a bad analogy, PvP players are like people that go to all you can eat buffets. Sure you're not making money on the food but because the customers keep buying loads of drinks youre still making good money.
Problem is if the food is rubbish then the customers aren't going to show up to buy the drinks.9 -
Ravensilver✭✭✭✭✭
✭For myself, I absolutely abhor PvP. I hate it with every fiber of my being.
That being said...
I really, really, really wish that ZOS would do awesome stuff for the PvP players. It's a playing style that appeals to quite a few people (who are paying customers, just like us PvEers). They love it, they invest in it, they spend time and money on it.
And they're being more or less ignored by ZOS.
I wish for you to have all that you wish for: fast gameplay, exciting skills, awesome battles, interesting quests, challenging battles... It would make *you* happy, and in return it would make the game so much better... in the end making the rest of us happy, too.
Alas, I don't think it's ever going to happen in this incarnation of TESO.14 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it...
Have you even been to Cyrodiil? You will find a higher percentage of radiant mounts, arms packs, polymorphs, and whatnot there than anywhere else in the game. And PvPers have some of the best, most expensively decorated houses you will find.
ZOS absolutely IS hurting themselves by neglecting PvPers. There would be so many more players if they raised the population caps. And more players if there weren't so many crashes, lags, and stuck in combat type bugs. That's 100% on them. So if the PvP community isn't bringing in enough money to satisfy ZOS' bottom line, well, that's not on us.
exactly this, to claim the pvp community doesnt bring money for zos is a big mistake.
I know a lol pvp players who only buy crowns to sell them because they are to lazy to farm gold and they are buying a lot lol.
But these people are leaving on my sever.
Yesterday on a Sunday Prime time Peak we had 2 bar AD, 1 bar EP , 1 bar DC on greyhost...
The west weald event is empty , sure you have 20 people hitting a mirrormore thing but thats not many ngl.
Craglorn alsways the same 15 people, groupfinder doesnt work at all.
PS EU comes across like there is maybe 500 playing left on the whole server.12 -
Pelanora✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?3 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Probably too much.
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Warhawke_80✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Not that much...and T&L is a flash in the pan that all the rabid fanboys will find some reason to hate by spring...I will be here saying I told you so.““Elric knew. The sword told him, without words of any sort. Stormbringer needed to fight, for that was its reason for existence...”― Michael Moorcock, Elric of Melniboné1 -
Pelanora✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Not that much...and T&L is a flash in the pan that all the rabid fanboys will find some reason to hate by spring...I will be here saying I told you so.
Yes but point is pvp gets investment because it's seen to generate returns....0 -
Warhawke_80✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Not that much...and T&L is a flash in the pan that all the rabid fanboys will find some reason to hate by spring...I will be here saying I told you so.
Yes but point is pvp gets investment because it's seen to generate returns....
Empty Cyrodil would like to have a word with you....
But I think it's more than that...I think that Cyrodil is empty because they took a single player franchise and tried to turn it into Call of Duty.
Dev 1: Let's make Skyrim with Friends!!!!
Dev 2: Nahhhh lets make it CoD with swords!!!!
I think that maybe you could be right if the PVP game were in the right setting....TES isn't the right setting.Edited by Warhawke_80 on October 8, 2024 12:44AM““Elric knew. The sword told him, without words of any sort. Stormbringer needed to fight, for that was its reason for existence...”― Michael Moorcock, Elric of Melniboné3 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Not that much...and T&L is a flash in the pan that all the rabid fanboys will find some reason to hate by spring...I will be here saying I told you so.
Yes but point is pvp gets investment because it's seen to generate returns....
Empty Cyrodil would like to have a word with you....
But I think it's more than that...I think that Cyrodil is empty because they took a single player franchise and tried to turn it into Call of Duty.
Dev 1: Let's make Skyrim with Friends!!!!
Dev 2: Nahhhh lets make it CoD with swords!!!!
I think that maybe you could be right if the PVP game were in the right setting....TES isn't the right setting.
Cyro is struggling because of performance, primarily. PvE players are currently getting a small taste of what that lifestyle has been like. But that has been the daily existence of every PvP player for like the last five years. Any ounce of performance improvement and/or investment into Cyro by the devs and it would be swarmed by players like in times gone by.Edited by YandereGirlfriend on October 8, 2024 12:49AM13 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Not that much...and T&L is a flash in the pan that all the rabid fanboys will find some reason to hate by spring...I will be here saying I told you so.
Yes but point is pvp gets investment because it's seen to generate returns....
Empty Cyrodil would like to have a word with you....
But I think it's more than that...I think that Cyrodil is empty because they took a single player franchise and tried to turn it into Call of Duty.
Dev 1: Let's make Skyrim with Friends!!!!
Dev 2: Nahhhh lets make it CoD with swords!!!!
I think that maybe you could be right if the PVP game were in the right setting....TES isn't the right setting.
The pvp in eso is actually unique and the best i have ever played in an mmo.
You have so many options and playstyles, there is a reason why eso pvp has such a huge and loyal fanbase.
Unfortunatily it went down with the introduction of sets wich play for you, like dark convergence, plaguebreak, rush of agony, maras balm, tarnished, oakensoul etc.
And im saying that as someone who played all playstyles in pvp from solo to smallscale to ballgroup on all roles.
The build diversity in Cyro decreased as much as the population i would say.
So on my server it makes no difference because there is only so few people playing the current 3 meta builds.
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MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Not that much...and T&L is a flash in the pan that all the rabid fanboys will find some reason to hate by spring...I will be here saying I told you so.
Playing it currently aswell cuz my server is dead i kinda doubt so.
The game is doing a lot right plus it looks really good. Only the combat controlls and targeting are a pain specially on consoles.
Thats eso deffo doing better.
But im really sure the current sucess of the game speaks for itself and i hope zos reacts and adapts fast because i kinda miss ESO but the emptyness of the server makes me not wanna play because i dont want to play an mmo to walk in a ghost town/world1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Yes but point is pvp gets investment because it's seen to generate returns....
Empty Cyrodil would like to have a word with you....
But I think it's more than that...I think that Cyrodil is empty because they took a single player franchise and tried to turn it into Call of Duty.
Dev 1: Let's make Skyrim with Friends!!!!
Dev 2: Nahhhh lets make it CoD with swords!!!!
I think that maybe you could be right if the PVP game were in the right setting....TES isn't the right setting.
I never once thought of Cyrodiil as CoD with swords.
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colossalvoids✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Yes but point is pvp gets investment because it's seen to generate returns....
Empty Cyrodil would like to have a word with you....
But I think it's more than that...I think that Cyrodil is empty because they took a single player franchise and tried to turn it into Call of Duty.
Dev 1: Let's make Skyrim with Friends!!!!
Dev 2: Nahhhh lets make it CoD with swords!!!!
I think that maybe you could be right if the PVP game were in the right setting....TES isn't the right setting.
I never once thought of Cyrodiil as CoD with swords.
Guess one person still did thought so. Not exactly sure why though.Edited by colossalvoids on October 8, 2024 10:13AM3 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Oh well who could of known that would happen
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666919/ps5-na-3-bars-red-1-blue-1-yellow-in-cyrodiil-on-a-saturday-mid-afternoon-whats-going-on#latest
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I hope in the zos central are the alert bells ringing
It doesn't work like that...you never see devs run around like SpongeBob when he couldn't remember his name...devs have monthly and quarterly reviews of population along all demographics of the game and make small changes or not...
Most oftentimes not unless it will effect real lasting change
The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it....it's a shame too because you have this giant amazing area just sitting there being wasted.....not that it will ever happen but Cyrodil could be the subject of three PVE expansions easy...but that would upset the shockingly small PVP community and we can't have that.
And yet T&L is to be a pvp mainly game and amazon sunk how much into it?
Not that much...and T&L is a flash in the pan that all the rabid fanboys will find some reason to hate by spring...I will be here saying I told you so.
Yes but point is pvp gets investment because it's seen to generate returns....
Empty Cyrodil would like to have a word with you....
But I think it's more than that...I think that Cyrodil is empty because they took a single player franchise and tried to turn it into Call of Duty.
Dev 1: Let's make Skyrim with Friends!!!!
Dev 2: Nahhhh lets make it CoD with swords!!!!
I think that maybe you could be right if the PVP game were in the right setting....TES isn't the right setting.
This comment suggests to me that you have very little experience both with Cyrodiil and with FPS games like Call of Duty.
ESO’s PVP is nothing at all like a competitive first person shooter, and is instead modelled directly on Dark Age of Camelot (you know, the game that several crucial ESO devs previously worked on…). Cyrodiil is “empty” these days primarily due to game performance issues and the fact that ZOS deliberately and significantly reduced the total number of available population slots on each alliance. On PC NA, demand to enter Cyrodiil exceeds the number of slots available during prime time, leading to long queue times (and also resulting in more PVPers quitting this game to play other games — no one wants to waste game time sitting in a long queue).
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o_Primate_o✭✭✭The number of player encounters on a "full" pvp server today vs before the max population nerf is too detrimental to the experience.Xbox NA as o Primate o0 -
KromedeTheCorrupt✭✭✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Sadly this has been the case for years like if people played eso like they say they do the viewers on YouTubers and twitch streamers would be A LOT higher.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KromedeTheCorrupt wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Sadly this has been the case for years like if people played eso like they say they do the viewers on YouTubers and twitch streamers would be A LOT higher.
For some reason, ESO has never been a big draw for streamers.0 -
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✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Not entirely. It’s a brand new game… everyone is going to try it, especially since it’s free. New World had huge numbers at one point, EVERYONE played it… until they didn’t.
Players will float to the new shiny, we are all gamers here safe to say so we always will. I am sure that Dragon Age and Avowed and others will pull some away too.
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✭✭✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Not entirely. It’s a brand new game… everyone is going to try it, especially since it’s free. New World had huge numbers at one point, EVERYONE played it… until they didn’t.
Players will float to the new shiny, we are all gamers here safe to say so we always will. I am sure that Dragon Age and Avowed and others will pull some away too.
Also, it’s worth pointing out that some of the people who streamed / are streaming T&L are big name streamers. That alone will pull in more viewers than ESO. Some of the people who follow these streamers aren’t even necessarily interested in the games they play — they just tune in to watch their favorite Internet personality play a brand new game for a little while. I wouldn’t read much into T&L’s stream views on release. There are already fewer viewers now: 43.9k at the time of me posting this, EST prime time.
Furthermore, if you visit the Steam forums for the game, you’ll see plenty of complaints from players about not having anything to do at level cap due to mobile game-like time gating mechanics, complaints about P2W, complaints about the clunky combat, complaints about performance, etc. Plenty of people are also saying they’re uninstalling.3 -
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✭Stopping nerfing things would help - Its Nighblades turn this month as 'Cloak' is inexplicably being bastardised. Next up will probably be the Streak+Hardened Ward God mode combo currently being band wagoned by Sorcs swarming PVP.
Many of us have had enough of this constant nerfing nonsense.2 -
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This. T&L is new and it has LONG twitch drops right now, 12hrs to watch to get some of the stuff, while ESO is between chapters and there's nothing new to look forward to, for many of us, for a really long time now.OtarTheMad wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Not entirely. It’s a brand new game… everyone is going to try it, especially since it’s free. New World had huge numbers at one point, EVERYONE played it… until they didn’t.
Players will float to the new shiny, we are all gamers here safe to say so we always will. I am sure that Dragon Age and Avowed and others will pull some away too.1 -
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✭Furthermore, if you visit the Steam forums for the game, you’ll see plenty of complaints from players about not having anything to do at level cap due to mobile game-like time gating mechanics, complaints about P2W, complaints about the clunky combat, complaints about performance, etc. Plenty of people are also saying they’re uninstalling.
None of those problems are ones that I’m experiencing, having been playing the game consistently since Early Access.
Nor any of my guildmates.
Our top reputation earners have not spent a dime and we’re ranked 39 out of thousands of guilds within our server. You cannot pay to win, you can pay to shortcut and anyone saying otherwise, whom you’re echoing, has a deep misunderstanding of what P2W is.
Pay-To-Win is to spend money for goods unobtainable in game, or for items that are not obtainable within a reasonable time. T&L has been out for not even a month yet, and people are equipped with full Epic gear without spending a dime. That is a completely reasonable time-table while better gear can not be purchased.
Now, a complaint about performance, is this a joke? Couple hundred people on screen and not an ounce of lag or fps drop… one can pull up several videos of this occurring. When was the last time this has been possible on ESO? Never?
All of our complaints are about the UI problems, where it fails quite often, that’s it.
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MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭Sitting in this forum repeatedly touting t&l seems odd to me.
Of cause people will compare the games thought?
How is this odd?
It has been announced for ages there will be other mmos released and zos has done nothing to fix issues.
Even the most loyal community has enough at some point.
This thread here has been written before T&L release and there have been multiple of these kind of threads in the past and everything is literally getting ignored.
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Coo_PnT✭✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Sitting in this forum repeatedly touting t&l seems odd to me.
Of cause people will compare the games thought?
How is this odd?
It has been announced for ages there will be other mmos released and zos has done nothing to fix issues.
Even the most loyal community has enough at some point.
This thread here has been written before T&L release and there have been multiple of these kind of threads in the past and everything is literally getting ignored.
It is not strange to make comparisons to other games, especially T&L, which is now the rage in the competition. It just feels too much like an underlying message to me that you should quit ESO and come to T&L. It is too blatantly obvious. I am one of the critics of ZoS performance issues.PC/NA
My native language is not English, so please forgive me if there are any odd expressions.
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