New Sets

acastanza_ESO

Since they were missing from the patch notes:
Rewards for the Worthy Sets:




Battlegrounds Sets:

notReclaimer

shared pain better have a cooldown cause holy

Thumbless_Bot

These sets look absolutely awesome! Agree though, shared pain is going to bring every DK toon out of moth balls if it isn't on cooldown.

jaws343

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

These sets look absolutely awesome! Agree though, shared pain is going to bring every DK toon out of moth balls if it isn't on cooldown.

Wouldn't DK be hurt by this the most? It requires someone dealing DOT damage to you to proc it. So, if someone is wearing this, and a DK dots them up, that DK is going to be taking damage constantly.

Seems like a good set though.

For Tracker and Bulwark, I wonder if Force Pulse counts as 3 attacks here. Because if it does, you could very quickly build these stacks. And especially for Tracker, 475 spell damage seems almost a given in most combat situations.

Fastrider + Tracker about to be BIS on Sorcs I think.

Jsmalls

Bulwark sounds devastating.

Not because it isn't a fair 5 piece, but because it'll be a zergling set that most small scale players can't afford to use / would be useless to use. But 2 of these in a group of 12 though and good luck to anyone trying to use block to mitigate damage.

Vaqual

lol everyone who doesn't get murdered by farstrider gets trapped in the server lag from shared pain

farstrider + rallying cry = best counter for farstrider + rallying cry

edit: oopsie swapped the set name, had to fix it

xDeusEJRx

jaws343 wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

These sets look absolutely awesome! Agree though, shared pain is going to bring every DK toon out of moth balls if it isn't on cooldown.

Wouldn't DK be hurt by this the most? It requires someone dealing DOT damage to you to proc it. So, if someone is wearing this, and a DK dots them up, that DK is going to be taking damage constantly.

Seems like a good set though.

For Tracker and Bulwark, I wonder if Force Pulse counts as 3 attacks here. Because if it does, you could very quickly build these stacks. And especially for Tracker, 475 spell damage seems almost a given in most combat situations.

Fastrider + Tracker about to be BIS on Sorcs I think.

This set will hurt everyone because let's not forget ice staff back bar with Elemental susceptibility is still one of the most popular back bar combos in PVP, so it will effect most PVP'ers. DK just more so

sarahthes

Jsmalls wrote: »

Bulwark sounds devastating.

Not because it isn't a fair 5 piece, but because it'll be a zergling set that most small scale players can't afford to use / would be useless to use. But 2 of these in a group of 12 though and good luck to anyone trying to use block to mitigate damage.

Throw a couple more in the dodge set and there's some fun.

VinnyGambini

Farstrider - decrease enemys crit resist by 40% - SERIOUSLY? What about stamina NB using ambush + guaranteed crit surprise attack? 15k dmg? 30k mercisess resolves? Seriously if someone play ESO for PvP, it's time to change game...

CameraBeardThePirate

Jsmalls wrote: »

Bulwark sounds devastating.

Not because it isn't a fair 5 piece, but because it'll be a zergling set that most small scale players can't afford to use / would be useless to use. But 2 of these in a group of 12 though and good luck to anyone trying to use block to mitigate damage.

Meh, it'll stop troll tanks which is needed. Sure, they should probably fix that problem by nerfing Block Mitigation itself, but I'll take this.

CameraBeardThePirate

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

These sets look absolutely awesome! Agree though, shared pain is going to bring every DK toon out of moth balls if it isn't on cooldown.

Wouldn't DK be hurt by this the most? It requires someone dealing DOT damage to you to proc it. So, if someone is wearing this, and a DK dots them up, that DK is going to be taking damage constantly.

Seems like a good set though.

For Tracker and Bulwark, I wonder if Force Pulse counts as 3 attacks here. Because if it does, you could very quickly build these stacks. And especially for Tracker, 475 spell damage seems almost a given in most combat situations.

Fastrider + Tracker about to be BIS on Sorcs I think.

This set will hurt everyone because let's not forget ice staff back bar with Elemental susceptibility is still one of the most popular back bar combos in PVP, so it will effect most PVP'ers. DK just more so

It might not proc off ele sus, since status effects typically don't proc sets.

xDeusEJRx

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

These sets look absolutely awesome! Agree though, shared pain is going to bring every DK toon out of moth balls if it isn't on cooldown.

Wouldn't DK be hurt by this the most? It requires someone dealing DOT damage to you to proc it. So, if someone is wearing this, and a DK dots them up, that DK is going to be taking damage constantly.

Seems like a good set though.

For Tracker and Bulwark, I wonder if Force Pulse counts as 3 attacks here. Because if it does, you could very quickly build these stacks. And especially for Tracker, 475 spell damage seems almost a given in most combat situations.

Fastrider + Tracker about to be BIS on Sorcs I think.

This set will hurt everyone because let's not forget ice staff back bar with Elemental susceptibility is still one of the most popular back bar combos in PVP, so it will effect most PVP'ers. DK just more so

It might not proc off ele sus, since status effects typically don't proc sets.

Ah that is true, I forgot about that. I take it back then

grzes848909

sarahthes wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Bulwark sounds devastating.

Not because it isn't a fair 5 piece, but because it'll be a zergling set that most small scale players can't afford to use / would be useless to use. But 2 of these in a group of 12 though and good luck to anyone trying to use block to mitigate damage.

Throw a couple more in the dodge set and there's some fun.

How much spell/weapon damage would it have to provide for people to prefer that over most procs? Especially tarnished nightmare for instance?

Thumbless_Bot

jaws343 wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

These sets look absolutely awesome! Agree though, shared pain is going to bring every DK toon out of moth balls if it isn't on cooldown.

Wouldn't DK be hurt by this the most? It requires someone dealing DOT damage to you to proc it. So, if someone is wearing this, and a DK dots them up, that DK is going to be taking damage constantly.

Seems like a good set though.

For Tracker and Bulwark, I wonder if Force Pulse counts as 3 attacks here. Because if it does, you could very quickly build these stacks. And especially for Tracker, 475 spell damage seems almost a given in most combat situations.

Fastrider + Tracker about to be BIS on Sorcs I think.

You are right. I read it wrong. Agree still a good set. I thought it was acting like Dragon's Appetite.

Thumbless_Bot

VinnyGambini wrote: »

Farstrider - decrease enemys crit resist by 40% - SERIOUSLY? What about stamina NB using ambush + guaranteed crit surprise attack? 15k dmg? 30k mercisess resolves? Seriously if someone play ESO for PvP, it's time to change game...

Isn't this effectively a 40% buff to crit damage? I forget exactly how crit damage works, but yeah, if this is the case, and nb have guaranteed crit, it really can't make it to live like this

Cast_El

Agree fast rider is too strong. NB is already the best pvp class, and they don't need this set... 40% is too high.

Shared pain sounds very good.
There is some cool ideas with the new sets

gronoxvx

The siegemaster set looks stupidly strong for those that sit on siege all day. Siege is already ridiculously strong and someone decides to give them 33% damage mit? Way to make it even harder to counter. Needs to be halved at least to make it viable to counter or you will have tanks doing nothing but siege all day.

J18696

Farstrider is insanely to powerful its pretty much giving you double major force against another player and more critical resistance than rallying cry while also turning the targets defensive into paper against crits

Jsmalls

J18696 wrote: »

Farstrider is insanely to powerful its pretty much giving you double major force against another player and more critical resistance than rallying cry while also turning the targets defensive into paper against crits

@J18696

How so?

The typical PvP player runs ~2300 crit resist.

40% of this is 920. 920/66=14%

Major force is 20%.

So this is 70% of minor force.

It would take a player having 3300 crit resist to equal to major force, which honestly is about time there is a set in the game that counters THAT much crit resist.

J18696

Rallying cry is everywhere so the odds are anyone running around in a general area of a player stack will have that ontop of 2300 it dosnt really matter of the exact crit resist value of the player this set will essentially nuke the resist value to the point it won't even matter you are just being hit as if you were wearing paper

And on a side note we already have way to many ways to get crit damage and not enough ways to get high crit resist out of group play just look at impreg that set should be double the value it currently is when comparing it to its alternatives

xylena_lazarow

Narrow niche sets like Shared Pain or Bulwark Ruination are questionable design as while they'll occasionally screw someone over as you zerg them down, they're a dead blank 5pc against the majority of the meta. We need more generally good sets to compete with Rallying Cry and Wretched Vitality, and fewer weird silver bullets.

SkaraMinoc

The 40% modifier makes the set very strong against targets that use Rallying Cry. See math here.

Farstrider is balanced. The 40% isn't a flat modifier. It's a percentage of target as the tooltip says.

Example 1

Target resist 1320 without debuff
Target resist 792 with debuff (1320 * 0.6 = 792) = 528 crit resist debuff or 8% crit damage against target

Player resist 2112 without buff
Player resist 2604 with buff (2112 + 528 = 2604) = 8% less crit damage taken from all targets

Example 2

Target resist 2112 without debuff
Target resist 1267 with debuff (2112 * 0.6 = 1267) = 845 crit resist debuff or 12.8% crit damage against target

Player resist 3762 without debuff
Player resist 4607 with debuff 3762 + 845 = 4607 = 12.8% less crit damage taken from all targets

Personally, I won't run this set because I have other sets that significantly outperform on damage.

J18696

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Farstrider is balanced. The 40% isn't a flat modifier. It's a percentage of target as the tooltip says.

Example 1

Target resist 1320 without debuff
Target resist 792 with debuff (1320 * 0.6 = 792) = 528 crit resist debuff or 8% crit damage against target

Player resist 2112 without buff
Player resist 2604 with buff (2112 + 528 = 2604) = 8% less crit damage taken from all targets

Example 2

Target resist 2112 without debuff
Target resist 1267 with debuff (2112 * 0.6 = 1267) = 845 crit resist debuff or 12.8% crit damage against target

Player resist 3762 without debuff
Player resist 4607 with debuff 3762 + 845 = 4607 = 12.8% less crit damage taken from all targets

Personally, I won't run this set because I have other sets that significantly outperform on damage.

Go use it on pts and you won't be saying it's balanced it's just another tool for zergs to turn you into paper for the already hard hitting spec bows and aquity wardens it definitely needs to at least be adjusted to not have potential 100% uptime

SkaraMinoc

J18696 wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Farstrider is balanced. The 40% isn't a flat modifier. It's a percentage of target as the tooltip says.

Example 1

Target resist 1320 without debuff
Target resist 792 with debuff (1320 * 0.6 = 792) = 528 crit resist debuff or 8% crit damage against target

Player resist 2112 without buff
Player resist 2604 with buff (2112 + 528 = 2604) = 8% less crit damage taken from all targets

Example 2

Target resist 2112 without debuff
Target resist 1267 with debuff (2112 * 0.6 = 1267) = 845 crit resist debuff or 12.8% crit damage against target

Player resist 3762 without debuff
Player resist 4607 with debuff 3762 + 845 = 4607 = 12.8% less crit damage taken from all targets

Personally, I won't run this set because I have other sets that significantly outperform on damage.

Go use it on pts and you won't be saying it's balanced it's just another tool for zergs to turn you into paper for the already hard hitting spec bows and aquity wardens it definitely needs to at least be adjusted to not have potential 100% uptime

Actually you're right. I didn't calculate the Rallying Cry target in my examples.

Base Crit Resist 1320
7 impen 924
Rallying Cry 1650

Total: 3894 target resist

Target resist 3894 is now 2336 with 40% debuff (23.6% crit damage against target)
Player resist 2112 is now 3670 with buff from target (23.6% less crit damage taken from all players)

This starts to get strong when the difference between player and target crit resist exceeds ~1000. It also incentivizes running Divines. A player with 1320 crit resist that attacks a target with Rallying Cry and Impen will now have 2878 crit resist.

SkaraMinoc

I mean if ZOS wants a hard counter to Rallying Cry then this would be it

SkaraMinoc

If two players both have Farstrider then I think the last player to proc the debuff wins in that scenario. Funny set.

J18696

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

I mean if ZOS wants a hard counter to Rallying Cry then this would be it

Yes and no I would much rather see this set have a 4 second duration to avoid it having no downtime and have it slot into a small burst window type of set otherwise it's just going tobe oppressive zerg tool

SkaraMinoc

J18696 wrote: »

otherwise it's just going tobe oppressive zerg tool

Oh no, rock and tower humpers in Cyrodiil will have a more difficult time Xv1'ing players. Whatever shall we do?

J18696

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

otherwise it's just going tobe oppressive zerg tool

Oh no, rock and tower humpers in Cyrodiil will have a more difficult time Xv1'ing players. Whatever shall we do?

Easier time if you actually mean Xv1ing and not 1vXing

Let's just snap our fingers let people delete nearly half of our crit resists in a already crit damage dominated meta

SkaraMinoc

J18696 wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

J18696 wrote: »

otherwise it's just going tobe oppressive zerg tool

Oh no, rock and tower humpers in Cyrodiil will have a more difficult time Xv1'ing players. Whatever shall we do?

Easier time if you actually mean Xv1ing and not 1vXing

If the solo player is running Rallying Cry then sure.

What I meant was Xv1 groups will have a more difficult time staying alive. You know, the ones that run deep into enemy territory in Cyrodiil and sit on a resource and kill 1 player a time. Then shoot ballistas at a Keep Wall until the faction is annoyed and the zerg shows up. Those Xv1 groups are going to have a more difficult time staying alive. Oh no the horror.

Just_Attivi

do we know if farstrider is 40% of their current crit resist or a flat 40%?

ie:

I have 50% resist, - (50x40%)= I now have 30% resist

or

I have 50% resist, - (40%) = I now have 10% resist?

I see the math people posted (which, im glad, i automatically assumed it was a flat 40% and was in shock) but has anyone tested to confirm how it works?