Please take health recovery off of Corrupting Bloody Mara and replace it.

StarOfElyon · August 15

The food advances your vampirism to stage 4 where health recovery is reduced by 100%. This makes absolutely zero sense as it is now. Please replace health recovery with a different bonus.

StarOfElyon · August 15

On second thought, you can leave the health recovery bonus on the food and just take away the health recovery penalty on vampires. the current penalties of being a vampire are extremely punishing.

Erickson9610 · August 15

This drink can still be used on mortals and werewolves, where the health recovery does still apply. It isn't exclusive to vampires only.

YandereGirlfriend · August 19

Erickson9610 wrote: »

This drink can still be used on mortals and werewolves, where the health recovery does still apply. It isn't exclusive to vampires only.

Right, but why would you use this when Pickled Fish Bowl exists.

Lalothen · August 19

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Right, but why would you use this when Pickled Fish Bowl exists.

For the health recovery that you don't get on Pickled Fish Bowl, obviously.

StarOfElyon · August 19

Health recovery is weak in pvp. Since I'm playing stage 4 vamp, it's even more pointless.

CameraBeardThePirate · August 19

StarOfElyon wrote: »

On second thought, you can leave the health recovery bonus on the food and just take away the health recovery penalty on vampires. the current penalties of being a vampire are extremely punishing.

This would just push everyone back to running vamp again. With the undeath nerf, there are actual pros and cons for running vampire now. Take away the health recovery debuff, and we're back to square one.

StarOfElyon · August 19

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

On second thought, you can leave the health recovery bonus on the food and just take away the health recovery penalty on vampires. the current penalties of being a vampire are extremely punishing.

This would just push everyone back to running vamp again. With the undeath nerf, there are actual pros and cons for running vampire now. Take away the health recovery debuff, and we're back to square one.

There's still the additional skill cost and fire damage to deal with.

YandereGirlfriend · August 19

Lalothen wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Right, but why would you use this when Pickled Fish Bowl exists.

For the health recovery that you don't get on Pickled Fish Bowl, obviously.

In what possible use-case? That seems way more like an RP food choice than a min/maxed one.

You're in PvP you go Sugar Skulls if you want max stats (and health regen for whatever reason since it's giga-nerfed there).

You're in PvE you go Pickled if you want max stats as a magDPS.

Really struggling to find a reason why anyone would take Mara over those options.

CameraBeardThePirate · August 19

StarOfElyon wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

On second thought, you can leave the health recovery bonus on the food and just take away the health recovery penalty on vampires. the current penalties of being a vampire are extremely punishing.

This would just push everyone back to running vamp again. With the undeath nerf, there are actual pros and cons for running vampire now. Take away the health recovery debuff, and we're back to square one.

There's still the additional skill cost and fire damage to deal with.

Sure, but removing one of the downsides would still tilt the scales back in Undeath's favor.

CameraBeardThePirate · August 19

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Lalothen wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Right, but why would you use this when Pickled Fish Bowl exists.

For the health recovery that you don't get on Pickled Fish Bowl, obviously.

In what possible use-case? That seems way more like an RP food choice than a min/maxed one.

You're in PvP you go Sugar Skulls if you want max stats (and health regen for whatever reason since it's giga-nerfed there).

You're in PvE you go Pickled if you want max stats as a magDPS.

Really struggling to find a reason why anyone would take Mara over those options.

It's a drink, so if you happen to be one of the few people left running Bright Throats it would be a decent option.

It's also more mag, health, and health recovery than Bewitched, so if you're on a build that doesn't need the stamina from Sugar Skulls, you'd be getting more out of Bloody Mara.

StarOfElyon · August 19

The only reason would be that it advances vampirism to stage four, so if some weirdo (me) decides he wants to RP a stage 4 vamp and his stage drops in a battle ground or in cyrodil, then the food is practically made just for that situation. Maybe instead of health recovery it could add X amount of minutes to your stage 4. Or maybe it could reduce the penalties and increase the bonuses of vampirism.

YandereGirlfriend · August 19

StarOfElyon wrote: »

The only reason would be that it advances vampirism to stage four, so if some weirdo (me) decides he wants to RP a stage 4 vamp and his stage drops in a battle ground or in cyrodil, then the food is practically made just for that situation. Maybe instead of health recovery it could add X amount of minutes to your stage 4. Or maybe it could reduce the penalties and increase the bonuses of vampirism.

Reduce the penalties would be good and on-brand. It's also in the spirit of the werewolf Bone Broth that provides a (modest) unique benefit to that subclass.

Erickson9610 · August 19

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

The only reason would be that it advances vampirism to stage four, so if some weirdo (me) decides he wants to RP a stage 4 vamp and his stage drops in a battle ground or in cyrodil, then the food is practically made just for that situation. Maybe instead of health recovery it could add X amount of minutes to your stage 4. Or maybe it could reduce the penalties and increase the bonuses of vampirism.

Reduce the penalties would be good and on-brand. It's also in the spirit of the werewolf Bone Broth that provides a (modest) unique benefit to that subclass.

Pack Leader's Bone Broth only gives a slight cost reduction to the transformation ability — once you transform, there's no further benefit. Corrupting Bloody Mara is similar in that the unique benefit is also a one-time use.

Both drinks are typically used only for their one-time benefit and then immediately replaced with a different food or drink buff.

StarOfElyon · August 20

Erickson9610 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

The only reason would be that it advances vampirism to stage four, so if some weirdo (me) decides he wants to RP a stage 4 vamp and his stage drops in a battle ground or in cyrodil, then the food is practically made just for that situation. Maybe instead of health recovery it could add X amount of minutes to your stage 4. Or maybe it could reduce the penalties and increase the bonuses of vampirism.

Reduce the penalties would be good and on-brand. It's also in the spirit of the werewolf Bone Broth that provides a (modest) unique benefit to that subclass.

Pack Leader's Bone Broth only gives a slight cost reduction to the transformation ability — once you transform, there's no further benefit. Corrupting Bloody Mara is similar in that the unique benefit is also a one-time use.

Both drinks are typically used only for their one-time benefit and then immediately replaced with a different food or drink buff.

I don't plan to waste a gold food like that. I thought I would build so that I won't need another food . It still feels to me like it could do more.

Lalothen · August 20

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

It's also more mag, health, and health recovery than Bewitched, so if you're on a build that doesn't need the stamina from Sugar Skulls, you'd be getting more out of Bloody Mara.

This. I have two solo builds that use corrupting for this very reason.