Can we Talk About Warden Frozen Gate?

ForumSavant

This skill is used exclusively to troll in PvP. It is still used to pull people through doors, and exploit people out of keeps, and off bridges. A lot of the best fights end up getting ruined by someone in stealth who has set up a bunch of them to pull people off walls and through doors. Is there any reason, seven years after warden is released that this skill is still being used this way?

ESO_Nightingale

ForumSavant wrote: »

This skill is used exclusively to troll in PvP. It is still used to pull people through doors, and exploit people out of keeps, and off bridges. A lot of the best fights end up getting ruined by someone in stealth who has set up a bunch of them to pull people off walls and through doors. Is there any reason, seven years after warden is released that this skill is still being used this way?

we've asked if they could rework at least 1 morph for years now and thats not been done.

GuuMoonRyoung

PvP and PvE skills should be different. PvP and PvE should be two different meta games. Not only the skills, even gears, stats, buffs, debuffs should be different in PvP.

TechMaybeHic

Removing from walla seems like goid use of the intended mechanic to me. Same as a knock back off a wall.

DenverRalphy

Is this not working as intended? Does the arming time not allow for a dodge/roll?

ForumSavant

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Is this not working as intended? Does the arming time not allow for a dodge/roll?

You cannot see the skill once it's placed, the arming time doesn't matter if someone goes up to the third floor of a keep and there are invisible gates that pull you off. If you weren't on the third floor to see it and they are in stealth, you just get pulled out of the keep.

CrashTest

I can see how someone in a ball group or an annoying block tank wouldn't like it, but it's not trolling and also not used only in PvP, so I don't want to see it changed.

ForumSavant

CrashTest wrote: »

I can see how someone in a ball group or an annoying block tank wouldn't like it, but it's not trolling and also not used only in PvP, so I don't want to see it changed.

That's great that you personally don't want to see it changed, but it is trolling, and pulling people through doors/walls is stated to be an exploit, but still happens.

darvaria

You aren't really supposed to mention this on forums. Just accept it most likely isn't going to change. And yes, I see in every hour of PVP.

Sepultura_13

ForumSavant wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

I can see how someone in a ball group or an annoying block tank wouldn't like it, but it's not trolling and also not used only in PvP, so I don't want to see it changed.

That's great that you personally don't want to see it changed, but it is trolling, and pulling people through doors/walls is stated to be an exploit, but still happens.

I see it as trolling and/or exploiting, because you literally don't see the Frozen gate itself if an opposing alliance person has thrown it down. One minute you're in a major battle on a bridge, then suddenly *POOF* you're falling in the water to be chum for slaughterfish. The Frozen gates of a fellow alliance member always have the "E" activation option, so you can decline to use it in the same way that you can decline a rez.

An unexpected pull from an opposing alliance is an exploit, especially if it's invisible.

WuffyCerulei

CrashTest wrote: »

I can see how someone in a ball group or an annoying block tank wouldn't like it, but it's not trolling and also not used only in PvP, so I don't want to see it changed.

Seeing it first-hand being used to exploit enemy players into an unlit and unopened keep so they could easily take the keep and recording it all, I think SOMETHING needs to change in terms of coding or how the skill acts. Make it a chain, not a teleport. Something.

DenverRalphy

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

I can see how someone in a ball group or an annoying block tank wouldn't like it, but it's not trolling and also not used only in PvP, so I don't want to see it changed.

Seeing it first-hand being used to exploit enemy players into an unlit and unopened keep so they could easily take the keep and recording it all, I think SOMETHING needs to change in terms of coding or how the skill acts. Make it a chain, not a teleport. Something.

Easiest fix would be to place a Line of Sight requirement on it. There's already a LoS mechanic in the game, so it shouldn't be difficult.