Should scripts deconstruct into ink?

silky_soft · July 24

Simple poll. Ridiculous we cant trade or stack them. So should ZOS let them decon into ink or not.

Necrotech_Master · July 24

the next update will allow them to stack, and set a vendor price of 999 gold

thats said, getting ink is already painful enough i would still support allowing them to get deconstructed into ink, or sold to a specific vendor in the scholarium for ink

Ishtarknows · July 24

I don't think so. The free ones from the mages guild can be looted many times if you bank them instead of reading straightaway so it's open to abuse. (And I wouldn't want them to change to being character bound either - nobody wants to do that runaround on 20 characters)

silky_soft · July 25

Easy. There is already white items you can pickup in enviroment with different ID to dropped white. They can decon into nothing. So drop only decon.

Araneae6537 · July 25

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

MidniteOwl1913 · July 25

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Erickson9610 · July 25

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Araneae6537 · July 25

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

No, you don’t craft scripts, which is what this poll is about. You’re referring to the scribed spell/ability.

GuuMoonRyoung · July 25

Nice idea but I doubt that will come to pass.

silky_soft · July 25

Yea seemed a bit short sighted by the upper management not to make them craftable. I would of made it like the current rune system.

All would of fit in the craft bag.

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Woozywyvern · July 25

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

Erickson9610 · July 25

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

ToRelax · July 25

Ink is already down to 10k-20k in value on EU PC and continues to drop. With this, any semblance of demand would evaporate. At which point you may as well just ask to have ink removed from the game and be able to scribe skills without it.

BlueRaven · July 25

The forced rarity of inks is pretty dumb design, but I don’t think deconing scripts makes sense. Maybe inks should have just been craftable via alchemy.

ToRelax wrote: »

Ink is already down to 10k-20k in value on EU PC and continues to drop. With this, any semblance of demand would evaporate. At which point you may as well just ask to have ink removed from the game and be able to scribe skills without it.

Sounds like a better system already.

Tra_Lalan · July 25

That would make ink to easy to obtain.

Woozywyvern · July 25

ToRelax wrote: »

Ink is already down to 10k-20k in value on EU PC and continues to drop. With this, any semblance of demand would evaporate. At which point you may as well just ask to have ink removed from the game and be able to scribe skills without it.

Perfect. Personally I would have had an increased drop rate and account bound.

BXR_Lonestar · July 25

Also, we should be able to buy/scry a scribing alter for our house so we don't have to travel to an obscure location in order to scribe. It is so annoying the steps we need to take to get into the Scholarium.

Woozywyvern · July 25

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

None of the points you put across above are a barrier to having scripts deconstruct. And with reference to it making sense, see my earlier point.

I do agree however that there are more ways of making ink more accesible. ZOS have decided not to do them as of yet, and the changes coming in update 43 is only adding two additional nodes for the resources to drop from. Not an increase in drop rates. All this means is that farming will become a more productive means to getting the ink and simply playing the game will have very little impact on drop rates. Unless I have missed some info on the upcoming update.

Araneae6537 · July 25

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Also, we should be able to buy/scry a scribing alter for our house so we don't have to travel to an obscure location in order to scribe. It is so annoying the steps we need to take to get into the Scholarium.

That’s coming next update.

Even better, it looks like there will be multiple ways to buy it, including with AP. That’s the main problem I see with the current availability of ink — there should be a PvP source. I would make it so the first daily coffer was guaranteed to drop an ink, in addition to the RNG drops we have now.

Necrotech_Master · July 25

ToRelax wrote: »

Ink is already down to 10k-20k in value on EU PC and continues to drop. With this, any semblance of demand would evaporate. At which point you may as well just ask to have ink removed from the game and be able to scribe skills without it.

buying ink doesnt progress achievements

that said i would not be sad if they removed ink entirely, but i doubt thats going to happen, they should just increase the drop rate to make the system useable

Erickson9610 · July 25

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

None of the points you put across above are a barrier to having scripts deconstruct. And with reference to it making sense, see my earlier point.

I do agree however that there are more ways of making ink more accesible. ZOS have decided not to do them as of yet, and the changes coming in update 43 is only adding two additional nodes for the resources to drop from. Not an increase in drop rates. All this means is that farming will become a more productive means to getting the ink and simply playing the game will have very little impact on drop rates. Unless I have missed some info on the upcoming update.

I fail to understand how my points didn't come across as barriers:

Scripts can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Scripts contain no Luminous Ink.
Grimoires can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Grimoires contain no Luminous Ink.
Scribed Abilities can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they're abilities, not tangible items. You can't remove skills from your Skills Menu once they're added — you can remove Skill Points from regular abilities, but they still persist in the Skills Menu.

If players could deconstruct Scripts and Grimoires for Luminous Ink, why couldn't they deconstruct anything for it? Why does it have to be Scripts in particular? If it didn't have to make sense what they were deconstructing to source Luminous Ink, then players could deconstruct any piece of equipment for it.

Luminous Ink is meant to be passively acquired during the course of regular play, not farmed, crafted, bought, or deconstructed for.

Necrotech_Master · July 25

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

None of the points you put across above are a barrier to having scripts deconstruct. And with reference to it making sense, see my earlier point.

I do agree however that there are more ways of making ink more accesible. ZOS have decided not to do them as of yet, and the changes coming in update 43 is only adding two additional nodes for the resources to drop from. Not an increase in drop rates. All this means is that farming will become a more productive means to getting the ink and simply playing the game will have very little impact on drop rates. Unless I have missed some info on the upcoming update.

I fail to understand how my points didn't come across as barriers:
Scripts can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Scripts contain no Luminous Ink.

Grimoires can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Grimoires contain no Luminous Ink.

Scribed Abilities can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they're abilities, not tangible items. You can't remove skills from your Skills Menu once they're added — you can remove Skill Points from regular abilities, but they still persist in the Skills Menu.

If players could deconstruct Scripts and Grimoires for Luminous Ink, why couldn't they deconstruct anything for it? Why does it have to be Scripts in particular? If it didn't have to make sense what they were deconstructing to source Luminous Ink, then players could deconstruct any piece of equipment for it.

Luminous Ink is meant to be passively acquired during the course of regular play, not farmed, crafted, bought, or deconstructed for.

the drop rate of ink would have to be increased about 10x of what it currently is in order to "passively acquire it through regular play"

allowing to either vendor or deconstruct extra scripts would help with the ink problem right now, thats why this topic is even a thing because ink is so rare

if your not farming for it, it almost never drops

Erickson9610 · July 25

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

None of the points you put across above are a barrier to having scripts deconstruct. And with reference to it making sense, see my earlier point.

I do agree however that there are more ways of making ink more accesible. ZOS have decided not to do them as of yet, and the changes coming in update 43 is only adding two additional nodes for the resources to drop from. Not an increase in drop rates. All this means is that farming will become a more productive means to getting the ink and simply playing the game will have very little impact on drop rates. Unless I have missed some info on the upcoming update.

I fail to understand how my points didn't come across as barriers:
Scripts can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Scripts contain no Luminous Ink.

Grimoires can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Grimoires contain no Luminous Ink.

Scribed Abilities can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they're abilities, not tangible items. You can't remove skills from your Skills Menu once they're added — you can remove Skill Points from regular abilities, but they still persist in the Skills Menu.

If players could deconstruct Scripts and Grimoires for Luminous Ink, why couldn't they deconstruct anything for it? Why does it have to be Scripts in particular? If it didn't have to make sense what they were deconstructing to source Luminous Ink, then players could deconstruct any piece of equipment for it.

Luminous Ink is meant to be passively acquired during the course of regular play, not farmed, crafted, bought, or deconstructed for.

the drop rate of ink would have to be increased about 10x of what it currently is in order to "passively acquire it through regular play"

allowing to either vendor or deconstruct extra scripts would help with the ink problem right now, thats why this topic is even a thing because ink is so rare

if your not farming for it, it almost never drops

I initially grinded for Luminous Ink when I first wanted to scribe those skills. Now that I've done that, I haven't been grinding at all — and I've still been getting Luminous Ink from various activities. I'll have way too much Luminous Ink at this rate by the time new Grimoires or Script combinations are introduced.

The drop rates are fine. We're bound to amass a lot of Luminous Ink over time while we're not specifically grinding for it. That's why Update 43 prioritizes adding new sources of Luminous Ink, rather than increasing the drop rates.

A small chance from more everyday activities is greater than no chance from those activities.

Woozywyvern · July 26

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

None of the points you put across above are a barrier to having scripts deconstruct. And with reference to it making sense, see my earlier point.

I do agree however that there are more ways of making ink more accesible. ZOS have decided not to do them as of yet, and the changes coming in update 43 is only adding two additional nodes for the resources to drop from. Not an increase in drop rates. All this means is that farming will become a more productive means to getting the ink and simply playing the game will have very little impact on drop rates. Unless I have missed some info on the upcoming update.

I fail to understand how my points didn't come across as barriers:
Scripts can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Scripts contain no Luminous Ink.

Grimoires can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Grimoires contain no Luminous Ink.

Scribed Abilities can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they're abilities, not tangible items. You can't remove skills from your Skills Menu once they're added — you can remove Skill Points from regular abilities, but they still persist in the Skills Menu.

If players could deconstruct Scripts and Grimoires for Luminous Ink, why couldn't they deconstruct anything for it? Why does it have to be Scripts in particular? If it didn't have to make sense what they were deconstructing to source Luminous Ink, then players could deconstruct any piece of equipment for it.

Luminous Ink is meant to be passively acquired during the course of regular play, not farmed, crafted, bought, or deconstructed for.

The only point that sticks is with Scribed abilities. The other two points I'm sure could easily be done if ZOS decided to have it that way. And sure, why not have ink have a chance to drop from deconstructing any piece of equipment. As I say, it makes no more sense for a chunk of iron ore in the world to be holding luminous ink than it does for a script to be deconstrcuted into luminious ink. It is merely a vehicle for the new system to supply a very rare resource. I am agreeing with the suggestion that there should be more ways for players to get that resource.

And the ink is immensely slow for some people gaining it in passive play. The drop rate either needs to be increased or tied to additional systems.

Erickson9610 · July 26

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Woozywyvern wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

None of the points you put across above are a barrier to having scripts deconstruct. And with reference to it making sense, see my earlier point.

I do agree however that there are more ways of making ink more accesible. ZOS have decided not to do them as of yet, and the changes coming in update 43 is only adding two additional nodes for the resources to drop from. Not an increase in drop rates. All this means is that farming will become a more productive means to getting the ink and simply playing the game will have very little impact on drop rates. Unless I have missed some info on the upcoming update.

I fail to understand how my points didn't come across as barriers:
Scripts can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Scripts contain no Luminous Ink.

Grimoires can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Grimoires contain no Luminous Ink.

Scribed Abilities can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they're abilities, not tangible items. You can't remove skills from your Skills Menu once they're added — you can remove Skill Points from regular abilities, but they still persist in the Skills Menu.

If players could deconstruct Scripts and Grimoires for Luminous Ink, why couldn't they deconstruct anything for it? Why does it have to be Scripts in particular? If it didn't have to make sense what they were deconstructing to source Luminous Ink, then players could deconstruct any piece of equipment for it.

Luminous Ink is meant to be passively acquired during the course of regular play, not farmed, crafted, bought, or deconstructed for.

The only point that sticks is with Scribed abilities. The other two points I'm sure could easily be done if ZOS decided to have it that way. And sure, why not have ink have a chance to drop from deconstructing any piece of equipment. As I say, it makes no more sense for a chunk of iron ore in the world to be holding luminous ink than it does for a script to be deconstrcuted into luminious ink. It is merely a vehicle for the new system to supply a very rare resource. I am agreeing with the suggestion that there should be more ways for players to get that resource.

And the ink is immensely slow for some people gaining it in passive play. The drop rate either needs to be increased or tied to additional systems.

If players could get Luminous Ink from deconstructing anything, then they could simply craft and deconstruct iron daggers or pewter rings repeatedly and accumulate large amounts of ink. That would be extremely unbalanced.

If anything, Luminous Ink should have a rare chance to be acquired from refining raw resources (a one-way transaction) but we already have a chance to collect Luminous Ink from resource nodes, so that would be redundant and skew the system too heavily in favor of harvesting and refining resources.

Also, Scripts and Grimoires shouldn't be deconstructable because they can be directly bought from vendors for Gold or Archival Fortunes. It'd be too easy to buy Scripts in bulk and deconstruct them for Luminous Ink.

xylena_lazarow · July 26

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

That would make ink to easy to obtain.

Ah yes, I too derive my enjoyment in gaming solely from seeing other players be bored and waste their time. Ha ha!

BXR_Lonestar · July 26

Araneae6537 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Also, we should be able to buy/scry a scribing alter for our house so we don't have to travel to an obscure location in order to scribe. It is so annoying the steps we need to take to get into the Scholarium.

That’s coming next update. Even better, it looks like there will be multiple ways to buy it, including with AP. That’s the main problem I see with the current availability of ink — there should be a PvP source. I would make it so the first daily coffer was guaranteed to drop an ink, in addition to the RNG drops we have now.

It should come randomly in rewards of the worthy. There are some resource nodes in Cyrodil, but when your running between objectives, you don't usually have the time to stop and farm.

I suppose they could make it drop off of the guards too?

Necrotech_Master · July 26

Erickson9610 wrote: »

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Woozywyvern wrote: »

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MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I don’t think that makes any sense logically or in game mechanics. We can’t decon other plans or recipes, and being able to sell them for 999g will be quite nice!

It's a crafted item like armor or weapons. Decon makes perfect sense.

Scripts aren't crafted, nor are Scribed Skills "items" which can be deconstructed and removed from your Skills Menu — they're abilities! It makes no sense to be able to deconstruct Scripts, Grimoires, or Scribed Skills.

Ink is treated as a very rare resource when it comes to obtaining, it's only right it should be able to be obtained from desconstruction. Making sense has nothing to do with it. Why would a plant I've harvested in the world have ink hidden it. Why would a spider be carrying vials of ink. Sometimes 'making sense' has to be put to one side to allow a system to work.

What would be deconstructed, and where?

If Scripts could be deconstructed, which station would they be deconstructed at? If at the Scribing station, then there would have to be another menu for such an action. If at a Deconstruction Assistant, then there'd need to be another tab for Scribing-related deconstruction.

Deconstructing Grimoires doesn't make sense, because those are the consumable items you use to unlock the ability to Scribe those abilities — there's no Luminous Ink applied to them before you unlock them. Deconstructing Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense because those aren't items at all — those are abilities in your Skills Menu. There's nothing to "deconstruct" here.

There are plenty of ways to make Luminous Ink more easily accessible than to cause design problems in other areas of the game like this. ZOS is introducing new methods of acquiring Luminous Ink in Update 43, so it'll be much more common to casually acquire when doing a variety of PvE activities. ZOS's solution to the problem makes sense, whereas deconstructing Scripts/Grimoires/Scribed Abilities doesn't make sense.

None of the points you put across above are a barrier to having scripts deconstruct. And with reference to it making sense, see my earlier point.

I do agree however that there are more ways of making ink more accesible. ZOS have decided not to do them as of yet, and the changes coming in update 43 is only adding two additional nodes for the resources to drop from. Not an increase in drop rates. All this means is that farming will become a more productive means to getting the ink and simply playing the game will have very little impact on drop rates. Unless I have missed some info on the upcoming update.

I fail to understand how my points didn't come across as barriers:
Scripts can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Scripts contain no Luminous Ink.

Grimoires can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they were never constructed with Luminous Ink. Grimoires contain no Luminous Ink.

Scribed Abilities can't be deconstructed for Luminous Ink because they're abilities, not tangible items. You can't remove skills from your Skills Menu once they're added — you can remove Skill Points from regular abilities, but they still persist in the Skills Menu.

If players could deconstruct Scripts and Grimoires for Luminous Ink, why couldn't they deconstruct anything for it? Why does it have to be Scripts in particular? If it didn't have to make sense what they were deconstructing to source Luminous Ink, then players could deconstruct any piece of equipment for it.

Luminous Ink is meant to be passively acquired during the course of regular play, not farmed, crafted, bought, or deconstructed for.

the drop rate of ink would have to be increased about 10x of what it currently is in order to "passively acquire it through regular play"

allowing to either vendor or deconstruct extra scripts would help with the ink problem right now, thats why this topic is even a thing because ink is so rare

if your not farming for it, it almost never drops

I initially grinded for Luminous Ink when I first wanted to scribe those skills. Now that I've done that, I haven't been grinding at all — and I've still been getting Luminous Ink from various activities. I'll have way too much Luminous Ink at this rate by the time new Grimoires or Script combinations are introduced.

The drop rates are fine. We're bound to amass a lot of Luminous Ink over time while we're not specifically grinding for it. That's why Update 43 prioritizes adding new sources of Luminous Ink, rather than increasing the drop rates.

A small chance from more everyday activities is greater than no chance from those activities.

i initially grinded for ink and got well darn close to nothing

in my last few weeks of normal play, ive gotten even less

its been almost 7 weeks since scribing came out and im still under 50 ink earned, the drop rates are bad, through normal gameplay im lucky to get 1 drop a day, or even per week in some cases, so no the drop rates are absolutely not fine

Desiato · July 26

Free yourself from hoarding and just merchant excess scripts.

Most of them are trivial to obtain through the levelling process when creating a new character. Keep extras of only the few that one might covet.

I sell at least a few of them to the merchant every day like I do empty soul gems. Imagine how overwhelmed I would be if I felt the need to hoard empty soul gems since starting to play ESO.

When it comes to ink, it's a tradable commodity. I know that doesn't help people obsessed with the achievement, but the reality is that ink is quite common and easy to obtain for the purpose of scribing if one puts principle aside and is willing to trade for them.

MidniteOwl1913 · July 26

ToRelax wrote: »

Ink is already down to 10k-20k in value on EU PC and continues to drop. With this, any semblance of demand would evaporate. At which point you may as well just ask to have ink removed from the game and be able to scribe skills without it.

Actually that's a good idea. Just getting rid of the ink requirement does make the most sense. You can only ever have one active skill per grimoire anyway. Having to use ink every time you want to switch skills is very limiting.

silky_soft · July 28

75% of people seem to think it would be a good direction for the game.

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