Question about Savagery/Prophecy on Contingency and Soul Burst

StaticWave

Since these abilities are AoE, does that mean these buffs will be Minor buffs? I haven’t downloaded the PTS but I would love to hear someone confirm this thought.

DrNukenstein

bets on standard 20 second majors.

no way they'd pop the seal of giving away the class minors

Jsmalls

These are 10 seconds and are major.

10 seconds is rough but may be willing to replace magelight with it for utility.

MidniteOwl1913

Jsmalls wrote: »

These are 10 seconds and are major.

10 seconds is rough but may be willing to replace magelight with it for utility.

Some of them are minors. I have to check before I scribe because adding a lot of these scripts would just be a waste for my oakensoul builds.

YandereGirlfriend

Would be nice if this were 20 seconds because, let's be real, Major Prophecy/Savagery is nowhere near as powerful as something like Major Heroism or Vitality.

Finedaible

Should have left major buffs at 20s duration imo, because having to cast those resources every 10 renders the buffs kind of moot when you can just slot a passive skill or use a potion.

Jsmalls

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

These are 10 seconds and are major.

10 seconds is rough but may be willing to replace magelight with it for utility.

Some of them are minors. I have to check before I scribe because adding a lot of these scripts would just be a waste for my oakensoul builds.

The ones in the title are major

Turtle_Bot

Jsmalls wrote: »

These are 10 seconds and are major.

10 seconds is rough but may be willing to replace magelight with it for utility.

One that I've been thinking about in theory is on shocking soul, shock damage wield soul and keeping ele sus for breach.

in theory it opens up some nice bar space options since being on the spammable it is basically up all the time, just like having inner light, but it also gets to carry over to the back bar since it's a duration.

10s is definitely rough though, even when on the spammable, especially since savagery/prophecy (alongside brutality/sorcery and resolve) are the basic standard buffs that every class should have on their builds.

10s is fine for rarer buffs like berserk, vitality, heroism, courage and rarer debuffs like vulnerability, cowardice, maim, disease, etc. but for the common (and basically mandatory) buffs/debuffs like prophecy/savagery/sorcery/bruatlity/resolve/breach, theses should be 20s (or at least between 15 and 20)

As for the abilities in the title, I think I saw somewhere they are the major versions, but personally I am liking minor endurance/intellect on contingency, the bonus regen is really nice for my particular playstyle.

Jsmalls

@Turtle_Bot

Shocking soul with the Sorc mastery is going to be ridiculous next update. Had mine tooltipping for 6% below my curse Tooltip (Focus and Affix combined). This was partially due to the 3.3% and 6.6% buff in the patch notes coupled with the correction of Shock scribing abilities now being effected by the Sorc shock passive.

It's going to hurt to drop crystal frags, but think crystal weapons weaved with this ability will be hard to outpace.

gariondavey

The idea of 10 seconds major sorcery / prophecy on any skill, especially scribed ones, is opposite zos's vision of "easier rotations" where we can "cast spells we want to more" with "less buffing"

Firstmep

gariondavey wrote: »

The idea of 10 seconds major sorcery / prophecy on any skill, especially scribed ones, is opposite zos's vision of "easier rotations" where we can "cast spells we want to more" with "less buffing"

Not to mention they just recently changed a bunch of skills to provide these buffs just for having them slotted on any bar.
Meanwhile 2 sec cast time skill that can easily be bashed or interrupted by stun will provide a 10 second buff.

And I just dont understand the reasoning behind this, having 20 second major buffs from scribing is not going to break the game.
If they want to look at problematic scribing skills then they should focus on all the hp scaling stackable aoe damage shields.

Turtle_Bot

Jsmalls wrote: »

@Turtle_Bot

Shocking soul with the Sorc mastery is going to be ridiculous next update. Had mine tooltipping for 6% below my curse Tooltip (Focus and Affix combined). This was partially due to the 3.3% and 6.6% buff in the patch notes coupled with the correction of Shock scribing abilities now being effected by the Sorc shock passive.

It's going to hurt to drop crystal frags, but think crystal weapons weaved with this ability will be hard to outpace.

yep, that's the script combination for wield soul I've been theorying.

Shock damage, sorc class script, major prophecy/savagery

I'm also thinking about bow front bar with healing vault as my "get me to my back bar" option (streak is still my stun and ice staff back bar for ele sus with ward on back bar now) as bow gives some nice crit chance, damage and speed buffs while also being a ranged weapon to match wield souls range for weaving.
Have to test more on this though as the status chance from staff passives is still very strong with the recent status effect buffs, so need to see if the crit chance/bonus damage is enough to make bow worth it over staff for front bar.

Not sure how I feel about crystal weapon (I'm just not a fan of how it weaves, but I've also never enjoyed it so never truly bothered to master it, probably doesn't help with my ping being so high it makes it extremely clunky since weaving seems to create a lot of animation lock issues for me), but it does seem stronger than frags for combining into a big burst combo (at least in theory).
Probably going to keep frags personally, since not running either morph is just nerfing myself due to both the minor prophecy and blood magic passives that those skills proc.

Wish the scribing skills were on the uesp build editor, would love to mess around with them there instead of in game or the PTS.

YandereGirlfriend

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

@Turtle_Bot

Shocking soul with the Sorc mastery is going to be ridiculous next update. Had mine tooltipping for 6% below my curse Tooltip (Focus and Affix combined). This was partially due to the 3.3% and 6.6% buff in the patch notes coupled with the correction of Shock scribing abilities now being effected by the Sorc shock passive.

It's going to hurt to drop crystal frags, but think crystal weapons weaved with this ability will be hard to outpace.

yep, that's the script combination for wield soul I've been theorying.

Shock damage, sorc class script, major prophecy/savagery

I'm also thinking about bow front bar with healing vault as my "get me to my back bar" option (streak is still my stun and ice staff back bar for ele sus with ward on back bar now) as bow gives some nice crit chance, damage and speed buffs while also being a ranged weapon to match wield souls range for weaving.
Have to test more on this though as the status chance from staff passives is still very strong with the recent status effect buffs, so need to see if the crit chance/bonus damage is enough to make bow worth it over staff for front bar.

Not sure how I feel about crystal weapon (I'm just not a fan of how it weaves, but I've also never enjoyed it so never truly bothered to master it, probably doesn't help with my ping being so high it makes it extremely clunky since weaving seems to create a lot of animation lock issues for me), but it does seem stronger than frags for combining into a big burst combo (at least in theory).
Probably going to keep frags personally, since not running either morph is just nerfing myself due to both the minor prophecy and blood magic passives that those skills proc.

Wish the scribing skills were on the uesp build editor, would love to mess around with them there instead of in game or the PTS.

Same, but it's just a single, volunteer dev that maintains the Build Editor. And Scribing is a huge project to implement. So let's all be patient, haha.

Turtle_Bot

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

@Turtle_Bot

Shocking soul with the Sorc mastery is going to be ridiculous next update. Had mine tooltipping for 6% below my curse Tooltip (Focus and Affix combined). This was partially due to the 3.3% and 6.6% buff in the patch notes coupled with the correction of Shock scribing abilities now being effected by the Sorc shock passive.

It's going to hurt to drop crystal frags, but think crystal weapons weaved with this ability will be hard to outpace.

yep, that's the script combination for wield soul I've been theorying.

Shock damage, sorc class script, major prophecy/savagery

I'm also thinking about bow front bar with healing vault as my "get me to my back bar" option (streak is still my stun and ice staff back bar for ele sus with ward on back bar now) as bow gives some nice crit chance, damage and speed buffs while also being a ranged weapon to match wield souls range for weaving.
Have to test more on this though as the status chance from staff passives is still very strong with the recent status effect buffs, so need to see if the crit chance/bonus damage is enough to make bow worth it over staff for front bar.

Not sure how I feel about crystal weapon (I'm just not a fan of how it weaves, but I've also never enjoyed it so never truly bothered to master it, probably doesn't help with my ping being so high it makes it extremely clunky since weaving seems to create a lot of animation lock issues for me), but it does seem stronger than frags for combining into a big burst combo (at least in theory).
Probably going to keep frags personally, since not running either morph is just nerfing myself due to both the minor prophecy and blood magic passives that those skills proc.

Wish the scribing skills were on the uesp build editor, would love to mess around with them there instead of in game or the PTS.

Same, but it's just a single, volunteer dev that maintains the Build Editor. And Scribing is a huge project to implement. So let's all be patient, haha.

Definitely understand that and am patiently waiting for it, doesn't change the fact I still wish it was in the build editor already.

Pelanora

I felt like such a twit doing a huge backflip in the middle of a battle. So Spiderman. Just didn't do it for me, that skill.

Really hope they think of another bow grimoire, but I suspect that's gonna be it for quite a while.

It's all kinda Marvel, the grimoires- flipping like Spiderman, throwing shields like Cpt America, throwing knives like Black Widow. Not sure which is Ironman. Illusions of horses is scarlet witch....

MidniteOwl1913

Oakensould has both Major Sorcery and Prophecy.

So for those build it would be waste.