Implememt an easy and not endgame way to skill alliance war skill line

AnduinTryggva · July 13

I really HATE HATE HATE it when I have to skill the alliance war skill line.

I need to get to level 6 to unlock certain skills that are necessary for my pve builds.

But I have to do quite some pvp activities to skill it somewhat decently fast. And not to make it a very slow grind grind grind.

TaSheen · July 13

Well, that's the way it is for a reason. That's why those who only WANT to pvp are not happy with having to pve for some things.

Highly unlikely to get any easier.

AnduinTryggva · July 13

You don't have to endgame pve if you just want to play pvp.

Since PvP is per definition endgame pve guys are forced to do this endgame content they are bound to fail many times.

OsUfi · July 13

Battlegrounds matchmaker MMR ensures your first few matches should be against characters of the same experience as yourself. Under 50s Cyro allows you to rank up somewhat when you're nowhere near endgame. Level 6 isn't hard to achieve without PvPing at all by doing the intro quest then either repairing walls or doing some town quests in Cyro.

EdjeSwift · July 13

It's already been done, just sayin.

AnduinTryggva · July 13

Ok. I did mean a quick way that does NOT cost money.

Grizzbeorn · July 13

PvP is not strictly endgame.

There would be no 'Below Level 50' campaign if that were true. Not to mention that you can enter Cyrodiil at level 10 and start gaining Alliance points.

Edit: AND, just doing the Cyrodiil intro quest with a new character gets you to level 3 with the skill lines, right off the bat.

Marko21xx · July 13

Out of 20 characters I only have Caltrops with 1

if that's what you're talking about.. not against/in favor but isn't easier to make an alternative to just 1 skill rather than change the entire system?

AnduinTryggva · July 13

OsUfi wrote: »

Battlegrounds matchmaker MMR ensures your first few matches should be against characters of the same experience as yourself. Under 50s Cyro allows you to rank up somewhat when you're nowhere near endgame. Level 6 isn't hard to achieve without PvPing at all by doing the intro quest then either repairing walls or doing some town quests in Cyro.

I get 64 AP for one repair kit that costs 250 AP. Of course I also could spend cold. For 1024 AP I need to spend 16 repair kits but I can only buy 4 repair kits in turn for the gained AP. That is a pretty slow grind.

This alliance war skill line leveling grind is multiple times worse than leveling warrior guilde skill line.

EdjeSwift · July 13

This is an MMO, not a single player game.

Time investment is part of the game design. You can utilize your time wisely by engaging in PvP during double AP events or finding highly efficient AP farming techniques, but if you want to bypass the time investment you can buy it. MYM is just around the corner(I'm not calling it by it's new name, I'm old and stuck in my ways) so maybe use that to your advantage.

AnduinTryggva · July 13

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

PvP is not strictly endgame.

There would be no 'Below Level 50' campaign if that were true. Not to mention that you can enter Cyrodiil at level 10 and start gaining Alliance points.

Well I am level 50 and it really feels endgame.

AnduinTryggva · July 13

EdjeSwift wrote: »

This is an MMO, not a single player game.

Time investment is part of the game design. You can utilize your time wisely by engaging in PvP during double AP events or finding highly efficient AP farming techniques, but if you want to bypass the time investment you can buy it. MYM is just around the corner(I'm not calling it by it's new name, I'm old and stuck in my ways) so maybe use that to your advantage.

I know but these events only are twice a year.

I play ESO long enough to know that MMO is a grind to grind more. I just think certain design decisions are not simply leading to boring play but really creating negative impact on certain players.

AnduinTryggva · July 13

Marko21xx wrote: »

Out of 20 characters I only have Caltrops with 1 if that's what you're talking about.. not against/in favor but isn't easier to make an alternative to just 1 skill rather than change the entire system?

There is more skills that you need for certain PvP builds like barrier.

But of course if they create an equivalent for these two skills I'd be happy.

tom6143346 · July 13

I don’t like PvP as well but PvP players haven often even more pve to grind than we pve gamers. I would say our grind is pretty fair, it’s not that bad. a war cake on mym and You can grind up to level 8 easily in one day play time with rnd groups even with a glass canon over build in gyro. But of course you wil carpeting a lot 😄 If you want it quicker well there is a offer in the crown store. It’s really not that bad

GooGa592 · July 13

PvP players have to PvE for their gear and many other things that are far, far more time consuming than spending a few hours in Cyrodiil (with war torte active) to get alliance war leveled.

OsUfi · July 13

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

Battlegrounds matchmaker MMR ensures your first few matches should be against characters of the same experience as yourself. Under 50s Cyro allows you to rank up somewhat when you're nowhere near endgame. Level 6 isn't hard to achieve without PvPing at all by doing the intro quest then either repairing walls or doing some town quests in Cyro.

I get 64 AP for one repair kit that costs 250 AP. Of course I also could spend cold. For 1024 AP I need to spend 16 repair kits but I can only buy 4 repair kits in turn for the gained AP. That is a pretty slow grind.

OsUfi wrote: »

the intro quest then either repairing walls or doing some town quests in Cyro.

Of course, the fastest option, throw on any heavy armour sets, head into Greyhost, shout LFG, buy some fire ballista (450g each) serf a zerg, siege big groups, hit rank 6 in an evening. 60k'ish an hour flipping or defending keeps and resources. 180k to hit rank 6 alliance skill, 3 hours from 0 AP. That's less than the Psijic quest-line at about 4 hours.

Remember, in Cyro there's no penalty to dying. You lose nothing. Just dive right in for a night and it'll all be over pretty quickly.

AlnilamE · July 13

What I tend to do is go to Cyro when one of the endeavours is about PvP. Repair some walls, hit some people with siege. If I'm ready to spend more than 20 minutes, I'll look for a group. Finding a group that's doing stuff is the fastest way to earn AP.

I never buy siege with AP, but if you are not going to use AP for anything else, go for it. It really doesn't take long.

Desiato · July 13

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

You don't have to endgame pve if you just want to play pvp.

You don't have to pvp if you just want to play pve either.

The endgame equivalent of most, if not all, pvp builds require a lot of pve. Outside of developing the character and skill lines in pve, there are mythics, arena and MANY dungeon sets a pvp focused player would need to truly be competitive. Many pvp players also want vAS+2 weapons and other trial sets.

Levelling to AR6 is a joke in comparison. It's easy. It doesn't even require a pvp build or actual pvp as one can just follow the zerg keep to keep for oticks.

tom6143346 · July 13

Ar6 level should be pretty fast achieved with bgs if you need calltrops. I mean how long can it take let’s say from ar4 to ar6 maybe 2 dayli bgs ?

katanagirl1 · July 13

PvP requires monster helms and mythics if you want to even stay alive more than 3 seconds. Is that not considered endgame? You really need to be a master crafter too to transmute and reconstruct. You need to be able to craft food and potions/poisons,

I also have PvE only toons but they all have Alliance rank 6 for caltrops now.

If you do the siege training you can reach level 2 at least.

If you want to do repairs you really need to do that on an active campaign so you can get the AP ticks to help buy the repair kits.

Soarora · July 13

Colovian war torte + random battleground. Don't wait till the last minute to get your core skills.

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

You don't have to endgame pve if you just want to play pvp.

Since PvP is per definition endgame pve guys are forced to do this endgame content they are bound to fail many times.

PvPers don't need to do endgame PvE to get their gear but they do need to grind PvE, just like you are needing to grind PvP. PvP is not by default endgame and everyone fails at everything at some point. To me, I'd consider endgame PvP to be stuff like Emperor pushing and optimizing ball groups, maybe high MMR BGs. The casual BG here and there, wall repairing, soloing farms, and chasing players around while they capture keeps does not take a lot of effort.

Heren · July 13

Reinvest the time you spend about complaining for mostly inexistant issues and you will hit grand warlord very fast I think.

But here's my two cents : find a group or find a sieged keep, and then just sit around; no need to get involved, if you get killed just stay there, and you will get the ap ( if the attack / defense is successfull for your alliance of course ). But during that time, you can do whatever you want - read a book, watch a video, or find another pointless topic to complain about.

Bammlschwamml · July 13

If you don't need to level your alliance rank right now, you can look for good situations on empty campaigns whenever you have nothing else to do. After you did the introduction quest of course.

Just go there for a minute and see if one of the two underdog bonuses is active. If you are lucky both can be active at the same time. You will get +100% alliance points for the low population, and another 100% for low scoring. If your alliance also owns all the keeps you will get up to 15% and another 24% for owning the edge keeps (brindle, drake and dragon). 20% for one hour after killing a delve boss in Cyrodiil. Another 50% from colovian war torte (i would not use the expensive 100 and 150% ones unless you are extremely rich). Up to 15% from mora's whispers mythic. And 100% from the pvp event.

You probably will never be able to get all the bonuses at the same time, but you don't need all of them.

And then start repairing.

You can improve the efficiency of your repairs by buffing your healing done. Equip one of your powered 2 hand weapons for up to 9% increased healing effectiveness and have the weapon on your bar when you repair. Use the ritual mundus stone for another 13% increased healing effectiveness. Put on some set pieces like earthgore or symphony of blades for the 4% healing done. I am pretty sure some champion points work too.

Your repairs will be more efficient, so you will get more ap for every time you repair, and combined with some of the ap buffs you will get more ap back than you spent for buying your repair kits.

Might sound a bit complicated at first and I might have screwed up some numbers and bonuses, but I think this is a good way to get your skills without doing pvp at all. Without ruining a bg for others, or not helping in keep fights...

Additionally you can get 50 transmute crystals per char every month, if you repair some walls on your home campaign until you earned 25000 alliance points and reach tier 1 for the end of campaign rewards. You get the boxes in your mail and can store them on a char you never play, for later.

If you are lucky, others will fight and die for the keeps you are repairing, and you will get extra ap for defending, without ever having to fight. If you know your allies will win the fight and defend the keep, you can just let some enemies kill you so everyone gets more ap for the defense, and it will make everyone happy. I am not 100% sure about all of this but somehow I think it's true.

To be honest, you should just fight and enjoy yourself. It can be very entertaining.

Nestor · July 13

Find a group of people and enter a low population or resource campaign. Just capture farms and mills. There are 3 resources around each Keep. You can get a ton of AP and all you fight are some NPCs. You will rarely see other faction players

Araneae6537 · July 14

You don’t have to do “endgame PvP” — queue for daily battlegrounds as you level. You can also do the intro to Cyrodiil quest any time (including just showing up and informing the quest NPC that you don’t need training). If you’re already level 50, do scouting quests in a less populated campaign.

TaSheen · July 14

My understanding of the OP is he wants to do this all but instantly. Y'all are posting the logical "takes a month or so" approaches.

Jimbru · July 14

- Daily battlegrounds.
- Daily town quests in Cyro are PVE quests that give some AP as part of their rewards.
- Daily board quests in Cyro. The scouting quests are usually easy apart from the travel time.
- Take advantage of PVP events when they happen.

bmnoble · July 14

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

Battlegrounds matchmaker MMR ensures your first few matches should be against characters of the same experience as yourself. Under 50s Cyro allows you to rank up somewhat when you're nowhere near endgame. Level 6 isn't hard to achieve without PvPing at all by doing the intro quest then either repairing walls or doing some town quests in Cyro.

I get 64 AP for one repair kit that costs 250 AP. Of course I also could spend cold. For 1024 AP I need to spend 16 repair kits but I can only buy 4 repair kits in turn for the gained AP. That is a pretty slow grind.

This alliance war skill line leveling grind is multiple times worse than leveling warrior guilde skill line.

Don't just repair any old keep walls, look for keeps under attack, repair some of the walls there and provided your side defends the keep you cash in on the defence tick for a large chunk of AP. You can buy the repair kits with gold.

pklemming · July 14

I am a pve player. I have 20 character. All 20 characters have caltrops, warhorm, barrier, etc.. Win or lose, you gain alliance skill in BGs. You should been doing these whilst levelling to 50, but they can be done now easy enough. Either that, or follow a group around in cyro. Not found it remotely difficult, as the intro quest takes you to level 3 before you do anything else.

Casdha · July 14

If you really don't want to do any of this you can always keep track of the days Alliance Points are given as daily rewards. They count towards level progression, just make sure you accept them that day with the character you want to level. It might take a while but the first few levels are really fast. It will even unlock the skill line itself if you've never ventured into Cyrodiil before.

AnduinTryggva · July 14

Bammlschwamml wrote: »

If you don't need to level your alliance rank right now, you can look for good situations on empty campaigns whenever you have nothing else to do. After you did the introduction quest of course.

Just go there for a minute and see if one of the two underdog bonuses is active. If you are lucky both can be active at the same time. You will get +100% alliance points for the low population, and another 100% for low scoring. If your alliance also owns all the keeps you will get up to 15% and another 24% for owning the edge keeps (brindle, drake and dragon). 20% for one hour after killing a delve boss in Cyrodiil. Another 50% from colovian war torte (i would not use the expensive 100 and 150% ones unless you are extremely rich). Up to 15% from mora's whispers mythic. And 100% from the pvp event.

You probably will never be able to get all the bonuses at the same time, but you don't need all of them.

And then start repairing.

You can improve the efficiency of your repairs by buffing your healing done. Equip one of your powered 2 hand weapons for up to 9% increased healing effectiveness and have the weapon on your bar when you repair. Use the ritual mundus stone for another 13% increased healing effectiveness. Put on some set pieces like earthgore or symphony of blades for the 4% healing done. I am pretty sure some champion points work too.

Your repairs will be more efficient, so you will get more ap for every time you repair, and combined with some of the ap buffs you will get more ap back than you spent for buying your repair kits.

Might sound a bit complicated at first and I might have screwed up some numbers and bonuses, but I think this is a good way to get your skills without doing pvp at all. Without ruining a bg for others, or not helping in keep fights...

Additionally you can get 50 transmute crystals per char every month, if you repair some walls on your home campaign until you earned 25000 alliance points and reach tier 1 for the end of campaign rewards. You get the boxes in your mail and can store them on a char you never play, for later.

If you are lucky, others will fight and die for the keeps you are repairing, and you will get extra ap for defending, without ever having to fight. If you know your allies will win the fight and defend the keep, you can just let some enemies kill you so everyone gets more ap for the defense, and it will make everyone happy. I am not 100% sure about all of this but somehow I think it's true.

To be honest, you should just fight and enjoy yourself. It can be very entertaining.

Thank you for your constructive reply. Very appreciated.