Scribing: Was it worth the effort?

DigiAngel

Kappachi

Yes

Scribing is the biggest new gameplay system since tales of tribute. I've been having so much of a blast with it, now I'm able to heal without resto staff and very well too for instance. It's really added more depth/variety to builds in a way that no other mechanic has for a long time.

Necrotech_Master

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

Kappachi

Yes

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

I like this part too, fuels the economy at least for a while. I hope ink never drops to super low prices, always being at least 10k+ on PCNA. I love being rewarded for just playing the game, + if you ever just need ink you can sell a motif and get a bunch for instance.

Necrotech_Master

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

I like this part too, fuels the economy at least for a while. I hope ink never drops to super low prices, always being at least 10k+ on PCNA. I love being rewarded for just playing the game, + if you ever just need ink you can sell a motif and get a bunch for instance.

my problem is i dont get ink, in the last 8 days ive gotten 2 ink drops

buying ink does not increment the achievements, and ive such a lack of ink selling is not really an option (not to mention the price is still stabilizing)

Sarannah

Yes

Depends on what you mean specifically. Questline: yes! Scribing unlocking: No, due to scripts not being accountwide! Scribing itself: Wouldn't know as I can't use it without having every script unlocked on all 20 of my characters.

PS: Have plenty of ink!

JumboWheat01

Yes

Personally I've come to enjoy it, and I rather like this idea of spell crafting compared to the way it was in Oblivion and earlier.

I can totally see the grinding problem, and the RNG with inks too. Thankfully I'm not constantly tweeking my scribes so I keep a decent amount of ink on hand, but for those who like to experiment, yeesh.

Necrotech_Master

Sarannah wrote: »

Depends on what you mean specifically. Questline: yes! Scribing unlocking: No, due to scripts not being accountwide! Scribing itself: Wouldn't know as I can't use it without having every script unlocked on all 20 of my characters.

PS: Have plenty of ink!

for me its been almost the entirely opposite experience

the questline was OK, but got very very repetitive, do not want to repeat doing it

scribing is perfectly useable without learning all 66 scripts on every character (theres 21 focus, 20 signature, and 26 affix), however if your after a specific combo it will take some time farming

ink for me has been bad, ive gotten 23 units as drops in the almost 6 weeks gold road has been out, thats 23 drops in almost 42 days ive been able to get ink, this part is so bad, i cant even consider making scribed skills on alts, i barely had enough to scribe all of the skills at least once on my main for the one achievement

Desiato

Yes

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

It would only be a true bottleneck if it wasn't tradable. I guess it's expensive to players who merchant everything and don't don't engage in the player economy, but it's not actually that expensive relative to what items can be sold for to other players.

Necrotech_Master

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

It would only be a true bottleneck if it wasn't tradable. I guess it's expensive to players who merchant everything and don't don't engage in the player economy, but it's not actually that expensive relative to what items can be sold for to other players.

im not buying stacks of ink to use the system i should be getting my own drops for

and buying it does not contribute to the achievement for getting ink, you have to get your own drops for this

ThelerisTelvanni

Well I do not have the ink to try out a lot of stuff so I can't tell if it was worth the effort of completing the questline in that regard.

Gracous

No

Not worth the effort because of the low drop rate of the inks. I haven't received an ink in 6 days.
So how are we supposed to get 500 inks for the achievement if they dont drop?
I was able to get one skill and its takes too long to cast and doesn't do that much damage. (fiery explosion)
I will stick with the class skills that do a lot more damage until they make the scribing skills worth getting.
Until they fix the drop rate, scribing is a waste of time and resources for very little benefit.

AzuraFan

I haven't played enough with it yet to vote. I'm waiting until I've built up a supply of ink before I start experimenting.

Kappachi

Yes

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

I like this part too, fuels the economy at least for a while. I hope ink never drops to super low prices, always being at least 10k+ on PCNA. I love being rewarded for just playing the game, + if you ever just need ink you can sell a motif and get a bunch for instance.

my problem is i dont get ink, in the last 8 days ive gotten 2 ink drops

buying ink does not increment the achievements, and ive such a lack of ink selling is not really an option (not to mention the price is still stabilizing)

you have to not be hunting it... i can often find like 40 in a day just playing regularly. when you do dungeons/trials slay all the mobs, don't skip mobs... means doing optional bosses in things like fungal grotto too. I have so much ink that I profit massively every single day since launch of expac. I check every container, harvest every node and kill every mob I come across.

Shara_Wynn

Yes

Yes it is worth the effort. It is quite the grind, but now that I have actually scribed some skills, I am having a lot of fun with it.

I just wish there was more ink and that scripts could be purchased rather than having to do nine dailies a day so that I can get all my characters up to speed.

OsUfi

Undecided. I'm over 80 hours of gameplay since launch, and I'm still only at 14 inks found. When I'm able to engage with the system, I'll come back and let you know.

Necrotech_Master

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

I like this part too, fuels the economy at least for a while. I hope ink never drops to super low prices, always being at least 10k+ on PCNA. I love being rewarded for just playing the game, + if you ever just need ink you can sell a motif and get a bunch for instance.

my problem is i dont get ink, in the last 8 days ive gotten 2 ink drops

buying ink does not increment the achievements, and ive such a lack of ink selling is not really an option (not to mention the price is still stabilizing)

you have to not be hunting it... i can often find like 40 in a day just playing regularly. when you do dungeons/trials slay all the mobs, don't skip mobs... means doing optional bosses in things like fungal grotto too. I have so much ink that I profit massively every single day since launch of expac. I check every container, harvest every node and kill every mob I come across.

already tried it, doing all the different things

spent days with 30-60 min of node farming = 0-2 ink (usually 1 drop if im lucky at all)
dungeons/trials/arenas/archive = pretty much never skip mobs, rarely if ever get anything from them

as i noted in another post, last week i played normally, which included several arc 5 archive runs, 1 day of pvp, and 2 days of trials, i got literally 2 ink drops in the entire week

ink does not drop for me regardless what im doing, im at 23 drops in the 40 days of gameplay since scribing released

i have since just straight up given up on getting any useable amount of ink

Pevey

I see ink drop all the time while running dungeons.

I can understand people who don't run dungeons not seeing much ink. But I can't help but think that most people who complain about not seeing ink are the same people who try to run through dungeon mobs so they can wait at doors, when it would be a whole lot easier to melt the mobs and loot them for ink.

OsUfi

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

I like this part too, fuels the economy at least for a while. I hope ink never drops to super low prices, always being at least 10k+ on PCNA. I love being rewarded for just playing the game, + if you ever just need ink you can sell a motif and get a bunch for instance.

my problem is i dont get ink, in the last 8 days ive gotten 2 ink drops

buying ink does not increment the achievements, and ive such a lack of ink selling is not really an option (not to mention the price is still stabilizing)

you have to not be hunting it... i can often find like 40 in a day just playing regularly. when you do dungeons/trials slay all the mobs, don't skip mobs... means doing optional bosses in things like fungal grotto too. I have so much ink that I profit massively every single day since launch of expac. I check every container, harvest every node and kill every mob I come across.

already tried it, doing all the different things

spent days with 30-60 min of node farming = 0-2 ink (usually 1 drop if im lucky at all)
dungeons/trials/arenas/archive = pretty much never skip mobs, rarely if ever get anything from them

as i noted in another post, last week i played normally, which included several arc 5 archive runs, 1 day of pvp, and 2 days of trials, i got literally 2 ink drops in the entire week

ink does not drop for me regardless what im doing, im at 23 drops in the 40 days of gameplay since scribing released

i have since just straight up given up on getting any useable amount of ink

Same sort of experience, although it's a naffy boat we're stuck in, nice to know I'm not the only one.

I did the scribing questline before anything else upon launch. I use 1 character, my necro, for everything. I've played well over 80 hours since Gold Roads release. More likely over 100 at this point, but I'm drifting out of the game at the moment and my days have become writs and endeavours when I have time and log off (still enjoy ESO, just finished everything I wanted to do for now, so not a bad thing). But those first 80 hours were doing everything in Gold Road. From the three daily quest achievos, all main and side quests, many boss kills, some fishing, lots of node farming, etc etc. Nothing on the ink front. Not one drop. in 80 hours of play, not one singular ink.

By last weekend, I had 12 from the scribing quest, and that was it. I then got 2 within 20 minutes in Imperial City from rando mobs I think. Then nothing more for a few hours in Imp City.

I'm assuming some of us are somehow bugged with this drop rate. Sucks, aye?

Pevey wrote: »

I see ink drop all the time while running dungeons.

I can understand people who don't run dungeons not seeing much ink. But I can't help but think that most people who complain about not seeing ink are the same people who try to run through dungeon mobs so they can wait at doors, when it would be a whole lot easier to melt the mobs and loot them for ink.

Although I don't run dungeons, I do kill everything I meet. I like to take the quests slowly, and enjoy the environments. Same with delve quests. As I only do them 30 times, each time I do them, I kill everything and enjoy the area. So, no, in my case, that's deffo not the problem.

Necrotech_Master

Pevey wrote: »

I see ink drop all the time while running dungeons.

I can understand people who don't run dungeons not seeing much ink. But I can't help but think that most people who complain about not seeing ink are the same people who try to run through dungeon mobs so they can wait at doors, when it would be a whole lot easier to melt the mobs and loot them for ink.

i always go for the clear everything approach, always, i never run through mobs

i dont think some people believe how rare ink is for some people, ive literally gotten 23 ink as drops over the last 40 days, ive cleared vet lucent now about 8 times (in addition to several normal trial runs ive done), run multiple dungeons, multiple archive runs (mostly to arc 3-5), pvp (which is actually the only place that pretty much doesnt drop inks), and harvested nodes in several different zones (craglorn, bleakrock, harvesting everything in sight)

i dont know how else to say the ink does not drop for me

Desiato

Yes

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

It would only be a true bottleneck if it wasn't tradable. I guess it's expensive to players who merchant everything and don't don't engage in the player economy, but it's not actually that expensive relative to what items can be sold for to other players.

im not buying stacks of ink to use the system i should be getting my own drops for

and buying it does not contribute to the achievement for getting ink, you have to get your own drops for this

It's up to you whether you want to engage in the player economy to avoid doing things you might not enjoy like I and other players do. The fact remains this is a self-imposed bottleneck.

I mean, if I insisted on farming all of my own dreugh wax, I would have permanently quit ESO long ago. If I had to farm all of my own motifs, I wouldn't be a style master. And so on.

The ink achievement doesn't really relate to how useful scribing is.

DenverRalphy

Yes

I don't know why people insist that you need stacks of Ink for Scribing.

I'm perhaps one of "the lucky" as I've looted arund 60 just casually playing on PSNA. I love scribing. But here's the kicker... I've only spent a whopping 12 Ink so far.

I just learned all the scripts, toyed with various scripts for each skill I was interested in before settling on one I liked, and then Scribed it to memory. I didn't find any need to scribe every possible combination to take out and play with before settling on one. Scribing is working great for me without the need for stacks of Ink. The system is not so complicated that the average player can't figure it out.

OsUfi

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

It would only be a true bottleneck if it wasn't tradable. I guess it's expensive to players who merchant everything and don't don't engage in the player economy, but it's not actually that expensive relative to what items can be sold for to other players.

im not buying stacks of ink to use the system i should be getting my own drops for

and buying it does not contribute to the achievement for getting ink, you have to get your own drops for this

It's up to you whether you want to engage in the player economy to avoid doing things you might not enjoy like I and other players do. The fact remains this is a self-imposed bottleneck. I mean, if I insisted on farming all of my own dreugh wax, I would have quit ESO long ago. If I had to farm all of my own motifs, I wouldn't be a style master. And so on.

The ink achievement doesn't really relate to how useful scribing is.

Ink's still selling for 20k+ per ink PC EU. That's 60k per skill, just to play around with a system. For many of us, that's cost prohibitive.

It's also missing the point that inks simply aren't dropping for some us. Like, at all. I get wax from writs, daily logins, and even in the mail from NPCs. I do not get ink.

Necrotech_Master

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

It would only be a true bottleneck if it wasn't tradable. I guess it's expensive to players who merchant everything and don't don't engage in the player economy, but it's not actually that expensive relative to what items can be sold for to other players.

im not buying stacks of ink to use the system i should be getting my own drops for

and buying it does not contribute to the achievement for getting ink, you have to get your own drops for this

It's up to you whether you want to engage in the player economy to avoid doing things you might not enjoy like I and other players do. The fact remains this is a self-imposed bottleneck.

The ink achievement doesn't really relate to how useful scribing is.

the problem is i dont mind grinding for something, the problem is the drop rate is so god awful that it feels like im wasting my time

i feel like i have to harvest nodes like a bot for an hour to even, maybe, get 1 drop, thats garbage

i dont know how many mobs ive killed, but ive completed farming 1.5 public dungeon collectibles before getting 1 ink drop (i finished the entire echo of the abolisher collectible, and made progress on 2 other collectibles i was still missing before getting 1 ink drop, i dont know how many mobs that was i even killed for that)

i did vet lucent trial 4 times last weekend, and only got 1 drop on 2 of those runs

when i need materials i usually farm for those, but i can get gold tempers easier than i get ink, heck i wouldnt even mind fishing more if ink had a reasonable drop rate from there (~1-2 ink per fishing full fishing hole)

but i refuse to be at the mercy of whoever gets all the drops and lists them for whatever price they want just because they get 100x more drops than i am to use the system

i do use the player market, to buy stuff like motifs and other "1 time purchases" like furnishing blueprints and such, i dont use it to buy consumables or materials, basically ever because i feel i can farm that myself

the problem with ink is it doesnt drop for me, so farming it for myself feels like a waste of time

the achievement is important to me because i want to complete it, just as much as i want to use the scribing system, but i cant because i cant get the drops

Desiato

Yes

Pevey wrote: »

I see ink drop all the time while running dungeons.

I can understand people who don't run dungeons not seeing much ink. But I can't help but think that most people who complain about not seeing ink are the same people who try to run through dungeon mobs so they can wait at doors, when it would be a whole lot easier to melt the mobs and loot them for ink.

Or players can just do what they enjoy and sell the rewards they get from those things. I honestly can't believe the uproar about inks.

Whatever I do in ESO, I get a surplus of things I can sell to other players.

I bet most people complaining have loads of items in their craft bag they'll never use which could be sold to buy ink. I think they are caught up in the principle and ignoring practicalities.

OsUfi wrote: »

Ink's still selling for 20k+ per ink PC EU. That's 60k per skill, just to play around with a system. For many of us, that's cost prohibitive.

Which costs far less than it does to upgrade an item to legendary with dreugh wax. And after the initial spell is crafted, it is one ink per adjustment.

OsUfi wrote: »

It's also missing the point that inks simply aren't dropping for some us. Like, at all. I get wax from writs, daily logins, and even in the mail from NPCs. I do not get ink.

So what you're telling me is NPCs are mailing you things you can sell to buy ink with.

Jaraal

Yes

Yeah, there are some extremely effective combinations available. And no, I'm not going to be the guy who gets them nerfed.

flizomica

Yes

Yep, I have used many of the new skills to round out existing builds or add additional cool RP flavor. I'm also not finding the script grind on alts to be that painful now that I've been able to buy a few weeks of rotating scripts from the scholarium merchant.

fizzylu

Yes

Scribing is great for my playstyle of magsorc, it has given me many alternative (and better) options for PvP and PvE that have made the game more enjoyable.

master_vanargand

Yes

I could never go back to ESO life without Scribing.
It's a revolutionary system in every sense of the word.

I_killed_Vivec

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

I like this part too, fuels the economy at least for a while. I hope ink never drops to super low prices, always being at least 10k+ on PCNA. I love being rewarded for just playing the game, + if you ever just need ink you can sell a motif and get a bunch for instance.

my problem is i dont get ink, in the last 8 days ive gotten 2 ink drops

buying ink does not increment the achievements, and ive such a lack of ink selling is not really an option (not to mention the price is still stabilizing)

you have to not be hunting it... i can often find like 40 in a day just playing regularly. when you do dungeons/trials slay all the mobs, don't skip mobs... means doing optional bosses in things like fungal grotto too. I have so much ink that I profit massively every single day since launch of expac. I check every container, harvest every node and kill every mob I come across.

There's always one

I do the same, I destroy all mobs I come across, I harvest every node, every crate, every barrel... if you followed me round Tamriel you'd see a barren waste. I even kill the rabbits and pluck baby netches (guts for fishing). I don't bother with a mount because getting off to harvest a node and then back on again slows me down.

I have a total of 28 ink.

The fact is that RNG plays a very significant role, so there are a few very big winners, and many total losers.

In this game, I'm one of the total losers

MidniteOwl1913

No

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i like scribing, and the idea of scribing, but bottlenecking the entire system behind the ink grind was not a good move personally

im not really sure how to answer the poll, or what the poll is asking lol

I like this part too, fuels the economy at least for a while. I hope ink never drops to super low prices, always being at least 10k+ on PCNA. I love being rewarded for just playing the game, + if you ever just need ink you can sell a motif and get a bunch for instance.

my problem is i dont get ink, in the last 8 days ive gotten 2 ink drops

buying ink does not increment the achievements, and ive such a lack of ink selling is not really an option (not to mention the price is still stabilizing)

you have to not be hunting it... i can often find like 40 in a day just playing regularly. when you do dungeons/trials slay all the mobs, don't skip mobs... means doing optional bosses in things like fungal grotto too. I have so much ink that I profit massively every single day since launch of expac. I check every container, harvest every node and kill every mob I come across.

Your experience is not my experience. I *have to hunt it* otherwise I get none. I know because there are days when I just can't bring myself to grind and on those days I get none. I'm happy for you, sell some of it cheap to help the rest of us.