Calling it now: Torc of the Last Ayleid King is going to be overused in PvP

MEBengalsFan2001 · June 20

I have this and for my Stamden I saw zero difference other than I was a bit more tanky, but not by much.

I use this on my WW Templar as it dramatically provides major damage bonuses. Weapon/Spell damage is over 7.5k, the damage resistance is helpful as a WW, etc…haven’t tried this build since Gold Road update. With this equipped Templar actually was serviceable in pvp. I not only could stand my ground but can also do damage.

TDVM · July 3

In fact it's useless in both pve and pvp, except it was useful in cyro non cp non proc, but it just doesn't work there.
It simply won't be useful in the current meta because any proc build will be stronger. Besides, this mythic was added a long time ago. Few people used this mythic after it came out, and few people will use it now.
Stat builds are dead, and this mythic in the current balance remains useless.
Also, don't forget that it disables all set bonuses, so it doesn't look as strong as the author of this post described it.

xDeusEJRx · July 5

TDVM wrote: »

In fact it's useless in both pve and pvp, except it was useful in cyro non cp non proc, but it just doesn't work there.
It simply won't be useful in the current meta because any proc build will be stronger. Besides, this mythic was added a long time ago. Few people used this mythic after it came out, and few people will use it now.
Stat builds are dead, and this mythic in the current balance remains useless.
Also, don't forget that it disables all set bonuses, so it doesn't look as strong as the author of this post described it.

I don't agree that it's useless. It's a set that can be equipped at any point and allow you the power to kill people in PVP. It's not grossly overpowered to where everyone in PVP should always run it, but its just strong enough to where you can be guaranteed to have a decent pvp experience.

It's a lot better than golding out the new meta set just for it to be nerfed in 2-4 weeks, since this set is not likely to be nerfed. This set can comfortably be used without having to worry about regards of it getting nuked in PTS.

The only real reason few people use this mythic like you say is because the lead drops are painfully low, I wanted this mythic and never got it because the drops were too bad even after a week of farming I saw no lead drop. If it was more accessible, more people would use it.

TechMaybeHic · July 5

I think its kind of nice and easy; but when I do stat sets; its really close but in my case, I typically like run wild hunt and that is then missing. I think it kind of hits a sweet spot, really to where you could make a choice and be serviceable just with this; but you could push more speed and proc damage going another route

Iriidius · July 15

It is definitely viable but not OP.

Necrotech_Master · July 15

TDVM wrote: »

In fact it's useless in both pve and pvp, except it was useful in cyro non cp non proc, but it just doesn't work there.
It simply won't be useful in the current meta because any proc build will be stronger. Besides, this mythic was added a long time ago. Few people used this mythic after it came out, and few people will use it now.
Stat builds are dead, and this mythic in the current balance remains useless.
Also, don't forget that it disables all set bonuses, so it doesn't look as strong as the author of this post described it.

this mythic is not all that old, it was added only about 4 months ago with the Q1 update, the only newer mythics are the ones added with gold road

Just_Attivi · July 15

I've been playing with this mythic since like the 2nd week it came out ( i was one of the lucky ones who got 4 of 5 leads in like, 2 hours, and then the last lead after 16 hours >.<), and my thoughts are:

Personally, I love this mythic. I tend to try to run a different class as my 'main' each campaign, so for a 'i dont know what im doing with this class, let me try this" approach to building a character, its flexibility and raw stats are amazing. once im proficient with a class/fine tuned my sustain and armor weights and such while using the torc, Ive only lost a small handful of 1v1s though sometimes against proficient players i do end up stalemating after a few minutes, and even outnumbered, if I get the fight on terrain that suits my build I can usually win the day. I played this a TON on my templar, DK and NB, and a decent amount on my Sorc, Warden, and very minimally on my arc. My necro was level 49 when they nerfed harmony and now just holds my beer.

Its biggest weaknesses are:
1- lack of pen, you NEED to fit this or a pen alternative (corrosive, Onslaught, force of nature CP, sharpness, maces/mauls) into your build.
2- Crit. youll probably cap out at like 30% chance tops unless you heavily invest in light armor/thief mundus/dual daggers. I find it best to just not worry about crit too much on Torc Builds, it takes too much investment, play into the strengths of the torc instead. most of my builds are ~22-26% crit chance with major sorc/sav
3-Burst- your raw stats are amazing, like, AMAZING (reaching 8k spell damage solo on my templar? nearly 40k vigor tooltips... 10k+ spell damage in small groups of 2-3... its silly) but your burst is only your skills. some classes have no issue (NB, Sorc, DK for me personally, no problem, Warden probably but Im terrible with deep fissure, and ofc any class against squishies will be fine) but others really shine with the timed burst of item sets. and generally speaking, any properly built set up will have much better peak burst damage against proficient opponents.

That said, for either learning a class, or having a casual no thought set up, recycling old gear because youre tired of changing sets constantly, or something that can just easily fit into any group or hold its own solo, its great, the defense, sustain and healing are tremendous on it, so if you slip up or hit the wrong skill on a new-to-you class, its not the end of the world. Is it the best mythic? situationally, yes, but generally no, though its not far off, but you could pretty decently replicate its efficacy with wretched/rallying/balorgh and some gear trait juggling.

TL;DR- would I grind 18 hours for it again: yes. Would I grind the months that some people have suffered and still not gotten it? no.

xylena_lazarow · July 15

Hardly overused, players still can't even agree if it's good. I'm not seeing it with the low crit stats and lack of utility. My Plar friend who tried it said he could hit 10k spell damage but felt the lack of other build elements.

fred4 · July 16

I had never given it another thought until testing in my house today, even though I basically run a stat-based magblade in PvP. My normal build is:

5x Soulcleaver
5x Wyrd Tree back bar
Sharpened Vateshran lightning staff front bar
1x Skoria (pen)
1x Esoteric Greaves
Hissmir Fisheye Rye

With the Torc, the equivalent food would be Witchmother's; I could only afford my very low health with the Greaves. I would retain the Atro mundus, due to how cloak sustain works.

Positives:

As per tooltips: Negligibly higher damage (2%) and healing with Siphoning skills, e.g. Swallow Soul, Sap Essence, Shrewd Offering. Noticeably higher damage (15%) with Merciless, Impale and Incap.
15% always on mitigation.
2.7K more health.
2.5K more magicka.
9% more magicka recovery.
Slightly better ultigen.

Neutral:

Same crit.
Same stamina sustain. (I would always run that amount, if not for the Greaves, then for dodge rolls).

Negatives:

2.6K less penetration.
Lacking cleanse from Wyrd.
Lacking Vateshran destro proc.
Lacking 50% gank/burst protection from Esoteric Greaves.
Higher cost of Siphoning skills.

Taking penetration into account, e.g. testing on a normal skeleton, we have:

Siphoning skills: -4% damage
Non-siphoning skills: +13.5% damage

Compared to my regular build, this may be equally viable.

MEBengalsFan2001 · July 16

I been testing Torc over a month now, almost two. Torc works best with heavy chest, medium head, shoulders, legs and boots. Rounding out the gear is light gloves and belt. Gear enhancements should all be tri stat. To get as much pen and damage/crit out of the build I recommend dw with nihorn on main weapon with a sharpened sword for more dmg or dagger for more crit. Depending how you enchant your jewelry your food options will vary.

Now here what I learned, proc sets are better dmg wise and help with kills. However, torc provides better dmg reduction keeping you in the fight longer.

IMO if you don’t want to grind for gear on a new character but have unused gear in your bank torc is great to help you get a character stats ready for pvp.

I found it most useful on my Sorc, NB, warden, and DK. The NB had the best results due to its high burst potential. Sorc was second. Warden and DK were tied. I found Templar was below the other classes with this mythic just because their burst potential is not as effective as the other classes. Haven’t tested it on an Arcanist.

xylena_lazarow · July 16

Ayleid builds' low crit ironically makes them more RNG luck reliant than proc builds, despite being pure stat.

CameraBeardThePirate · July 16

I still haven't managed to get a single lead for this mythic. Real engaging gameplay ZOS.

MEBengalsFan2001 · July 16

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I still haven't managed to get a single lead for this mythic. Real engaging gameplay ZOS.

I find the seducer mythic is way better than torc.

taugrim · July 17

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I still haven't managed to get a single lead for this mythic. Real engaging gameplay ZOS.

I've been farming IA for several weeks on my Stamcro. Unlocked almost every Necro IA set slot, and have been getting weapon drops for other classes, to give you an idea how much time I'm spending in there.

I'm at 4 out of 5 leads so far for the Torc.

It's been awful TBH.

Major_Toughness · July 17

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

IMO if you don’t want to grind for gear on a new character but have unused gear in your bank torc is great to help you get a character stats ready for pvp.

My point exactly.

Ayleid Torc is never, and should never be, a best in slot or meta build.

However if you either don't want to invest in new sets, or theorycrafting, then just putting this mythic on is a guaranteed decent build.

MEBengalsFan2001 · July 20

Major_Toughness wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

IMO if you don’t want to grind for gear on a new character but have unused gear in your bank torc is great to help you get a character stats ready for pvp.

My point exactly.

Ayleid Torc is never, and should never be, a best in slot or meta build.

However if you either don't want to invest in new sets, or theorycrafting, then just putting this mythic on is a guaranteed decent build.

Or if you want to play a melee Templar. Unfortunately it’s the best option for melee based Templar atm. The additional dmg resistance really helps.

Theignson · July 20

I was grinding IA to get archive currency to buy the scripts for all my characters and I got all 5 leads in about 15 runs (Usually just do the first 3 arcs).

However, I haven't tried it yet. It seems it wont beat customized builds. Might throw it on my Necro, since Necro is so bad it doesnt matter what they wear!

Durham · July 25

It's decent, and competitive in PVP. A good item that allows you to play any character without having to set them up.

Problems with a Torc build.
Lack of Crit
Lack of Crit damage
Lack of Pen
Lack of stats
Lack of Heroism
Lack of Proc damage
Lack Major buffs

Positives
Huge regen a little less then Wretched
High Weapon damage more then 2 weapon damage sets
High mitigation ( this could be more important next patch)