The Class Script Scraps Grind is an Abomination!

ToRelax

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

"Class Script Scrap" try saying that 3 times fast... the fact that it's a tongue twister is the least of it's problems. Requiring 50 of these damn things while limiting the sources to very time consuming group content is frankly unconscionable. ESO is not a game for hardcore players, very few MMOs are these days. In fact, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of the playerbase treats ESO as a solo game and approaches it very casually, speaking for myself, I certainly fall in that category. Even so I played my butt off this week and unlocked every other script but for the class one because as a casual solo player I am limited to, at most, 3 scraps per day (one from each daily queue activity and the daily master writ). This is also forcing me to engage in PvP which I absolutely hate, especially in this game, and making for a very frustrating experience overall. And it's even worse for truly solo players who will have access to even fewer ways of obtaining the scraps, really just the daily master writ, which I am frankly tempted to do except that after being forced to wait 50 days I simply wouldn't be playing the game anymore at that point as I would have quit out of sheer frustration.

This really needs to be fixed and the achievement changed to require much fewer scraps or otherwise the means of obtaining them need to be significantly loosened. The system is already restrictive, grindy and bareboned enough without adding this additional layer of frustration into the mix. ZOS, you asked for feedback and I am offering it: let us get that damn class script in a way that is more respectful to all players not just those few who no-life the game.

I am totally perplexed. You say you're a casual solo player. Out of the myriad of build options you need the class script one? Clearly not. Is your sole objective, then, to obtain every single achievement? Is there no joy in playing the game, other than ticking a list of arbitrary boxes that ZOS made up?

I'm speaking as a build-crafter. Scripts actually matter to me as someone who enjoys that part of the game, but God, there is so much you can do already. It truly doesn't matter if this one thing is a mega grind. At the end of the day this is an RPG. Whatever happend to enjoying the game and letting things come naturally when they do?

You are "perplexed" because you don't know me or what my goals are. All I wanted from Scribing was to improve upon the severely lacking shock skill repertoire of my magicka sorcerer who is focused on lightning spells. To do that I need the shock focus script and yes, the class script as well. The shock script was one of the very last I got and the class one is going to take me weeks to get because I don't have the time or the desire to engage in time consuming group content, in this game or any other. When I paid for this expansion I wanted to unlock this new system after a reasonable amount of grinding and be able to experiment with it. What I got instead was a monumental grind consisting of braindead daily chores for what will be weeks on end, not to mention the inability to experiment with the new system due to how rare and consequently expensive inks are.

So yeah, as you say I would like nothing more than to "just enjoy the game" but I can't because the one thing I wanted from this expansion I won't be able to get any time soon. I haven't even had the desire to play through the new story content (which is the one part of the game I enjoy most) because I wanted to do it using these new Scribing skills. I hope this offers you some clarity because you had me pegged as an achievement hunter "ticking boxes" which I couldn't be further from.

You have no desire to play through the story because you're missing an extra 25% or so damage on your spammable?

This isn't going to ever make a difference unless you actually engage in the content providing you with more scraps.

xylena_lazarow

ToRelax wrote: »

You have no desire to play through the story because you're missing an extra 25% or so damage on your spammable? This isn't going to ever make a difference unless you actually engage in the content providing you with more scraps.

By the divines! So many things wrong with this statement, where do I even start?

1) no actually I do not care about the story, I paid $40 for the Scribing system because I love the combat

2) there is no story to play through because the grind makes you replay trivial old overworld content instead

3) that extra 25% is an absolutely massive difference in competitive content

4) that extra 25% is absolutely meaningless for the trivial overworld Scribing grind

5) the Scribing grind is not engaging because I finished all that content a literal decade ago

6) the Scribing grind is not engaging because overworld enemies are made out of wet single ply toilet paper

7) no I can't even remember the questline story, just me clicking on 60+ wards like an absolute donkey

8) it's been a week since I paid $40 and I still don't have the product I already earned by paying $40 for

ToRelax

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You have no desire to play through the story because you're missing an extra 25% or so damage on your spammable? This isn't going to ever make a difference unless you actually engage in the content providing you with more scraps.

By the divines! So many things wrong with this statement, where do I even start?

By replying to the wrong person, clearly. Go get emp twice, worked for me.

olsborg

You get 4 for doing a scroll quest in cyrodiil and 25 if you become emperor.

xylena_lazarow

ToRelax wrote: »

Go get emp twice, worked for me.

Considered it, still might go that route, still incredibly dumb I have to waste my time with tedious boosting instead of actually playing the stuff I paid $40 for. Also doesn't help me with the Affix grind, which is infinitely worse than the class script grind if you want Scribing on your alts. Yeah I do the 2 PvE quests and 6 IC dailies each day, still don't have the Affixes I need for my PvP builds, what exactly did I pay $40 for again? Not for weeks of inane daily quests, that's for sure.

Firstmep

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Are you in a hurry? It's been 5 days of the Expansion. Even if it takes a month, two months or whatever, it'd be OK. What's the hurry?

Yes. I paid $40 for Scribing, not to sit here waiting for time gates while I slog through daily chores. You can maybe justify this in a F2P game, but not for a $40 paid product that I've already earned by paying the $40 that I earned.

So the devs should just give you all the new sets in a mail, all achievements, everything, because you paid for it?
You can literally get all 50 scripts in a couple of days of playing, come on.

majulook

Got 25 so far.

If you have multiple charterer you can bank them to get 1 character to 50 quicker.

When playing an alt character after completing the Class Mastery Achievement, you will be able to purchase the Class Mastery Script from Chronicler Firandil

wolfie1.0.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You have no desire to play through the story because you're missing an extra 25% or so damage on your spammable? This isn't going to ever make a difference unless you actually engage in the content providing you with more scraps.

By the divines! So many things wrong with this statement, where do I even start?

1) no actually I do not care about the story, I paid $40 for the Scribing system because I love the combat

2) there is no story to play through because the grind makes you replay trivial old overworld content instead

3) that extra 25% is an absolutely massive difference in competitive content

4) that extra 25% is absolutely meaningless for the trivial overworld Scribing grind

5) the Scribing grind is not engaging because I finished all that content a literal decade ago

6) the Scribing grind is not engaging because overworld enemies are made out of wet single ply toilet paper

7) no I can't even remember the questline story, just me clicking on 60+ wards like an absolute donkey

8) it's been a week since I paid $40 and I still don't have the product I already earned by paying $40 for

All of the grind aspects of scribing were disclosed on the PTS, as were the requirements to get everything unlocked. It was disclosed as an intended grind. Zos intended and intends for scribing to be a process and not a single event. Afterall this has to last till next update. Scribing has also already been pulled back as class mastery scraps were originally intended to be character bound and a per character grind. Meaning it would take a lot longer.

You got what you paid for, if you did that blind I don't know what to say.

Personally I usually buy 4 to 6 copies of chapters eventually. This one I bought a single copy. I won't buy a second until I unlock all of the scribing stuff I need.

If a scribing skill is supposed to bring a 25% increase to your damage then honestly I wouldn't expect that to stay around long. It's likely to be nerfed at some point soon.

xylena_lazarow

Firstmep wrote: »

So the devs should just give you all the new sets in a mail, all achievements, everything, because you paid for it?

yes

dmnqwk

The primary issue I have with the antiquated system of grind to earn for scribing is that it highlights the already atrocious system of grinding skills to level which sets ESO far back in comparison to every other MMO in existance.

Having scribing timelocked behind grinding reminds me very much of world of warcraft's reputation system in Burning Crusade, wherein you would need to spend hundreds of hours working yourself to death to be able to enjoy specific content.

I already dread levelling alts these days because of the grind required for mages guild and the requirement for multiple weapons beyond just two, plus the pvp aspect to unlock barrier on anyone who wishes to heal.
I can appreciate there's story content, there are new trials and dungeons, places to explore etc and those are good - but scribing itself is enough to put me off playing and focus entirely on how Diablo IV has vastly improved it's loot system and made levelling way more fun (previous seasons I might hit 80 or 90 on a single char, this time around I not only hit 100 on my first char, but a second and working on a third already.)

I think the major issue is scribing wont be fixed as ESO doesn't see it as broken, but any MMO which penalizes you for making alts becomes work, and causes the people who spend money to lose focus BEFORE they spend the money.

xylena_lazarow

dmnqwk wrote: »

causes the people who spend money to lose focus BEFORE they spend the money

Exactly, it's like they don't want us to spend more money, they want us to show we're willing to starve ourselves in order to "earn" a piece of bread. Maybe that worked a couple decades ago when the player base was mostly 20yo no lifers, but not when the player base is full of adults with jobs and families. These grinds just drive us away.

Imperial_Archmage

majulook wrote: »

Got 25 so far.

If you have multiple charterer you can bank them to get 1 character to 50 quicker.

When playing an alt character after completing the Class Mastery Achievement, you will be able to purchase the Class Mastery Script from Chronicler Firandil

Not really because virtually all of the sources of scraps are limited to once per day per account.

furiouslog

One of my guildies is almost done with this because he's been running a few vet trials every day. Those drop 3 scraps each day off the last boss. However, he's a trial running machine and not like regular mortals, so I hear the complaints. I guess that just don't feel it as bad because I've had way worse grinds in this game and this one seems okay.

Varana

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

So the devs should just give you all the new sets in a mail, all achievements, everything, because you paid for it?

yes

Ah, the forums, where rational discussions are taking place.

barney2525

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

"Class Script Scrap" try saying that 3 times fast... the fact that it's a tongue twister is the least of it's problems. Requiring 50 of these damn things while limiting the sources to very time consuming group content is frankly unconscionable. ESO is not a game for hardcore players, very few MMOs are these days. In fact, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of the playerbase treats ESO as a solo game and approaches it very casually, speaking for myself, I certainly fall in that category. Even so I played my butt off this week and unlocked every other script but for the class one because as a casual solo player I am limited to, at most, 3 scraps per day (one from each daily queue activity and the daily master writ). This is also forcing me to engage in PvP which I absolutely hate, especially in this game, and making for a very frustrating experience overall. And it's even worse for truly solo players who will have access to even fewer ways of obtaining the scraps, really just the daily master writ, which I am frankly tempted to do except that after being forced to wait 50 days I simply wouldn't be playing the game anymore at that point as I would have quit out of sheer frustration.

This really needs to be fixed and the achievement changed to require much fewer scraps or otherwise the means of obtaining them need to be significantly loosened. The system is already restrictive, grindy and bareboned enough without adding this additional layer of frustration into the mix. ZOS, you asked for feedback and I am offering it: let us get that damn class script in a way that is more respectful to all players not just those few who no-life the game.

'that three times fast'

Pelanora

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Are you in a hurry? It's been 5 days of the Expansion. Even if it takes a month, two months or whatever, it'd be OK. What's the hurry?

Yes. I paid $40 for Scribing, not to sit here waiting for time gates while I slog through daily chores. You can maybe justify this in a F2P game, but not for a $40 paid product that I've already earned by paying the $40 that I earned.

No. You paid 40 for your idea of scribing.

That is not eso's idea of scribing.

angst

maybe they should add a forum user mode that gives you everything in the game without having to do anything ever

Recent

I get em from random normal dungeon which is great cos I also get my transmute crystals and xp.

Shara_Wynn

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

You don't get Class Script Scraps from the daily Undaunted dungeon pledges. You have to do daily random dungeons to get them.

I have just accepted that it's going to take me the 50 days to get mine the first time. Then I will purchase the rest for my alts.

Firstmep

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

You don't get Class Script Scraps from the daily Undaunted dungeon pledges. You have to do daily random dungeons to get them.

I have just accepted that it's going to take me the 50 days to get mine the first time. Then I will purchase the rest for my alts.

But why? It's so easy to get class scripts. Daily rnd normal gives one on each toon. Vma gives 3 and it's so easy at this point you can do it with 1 hand and eyes closed.

Shara_Wynn

Firstmep wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

You don't get Class Script Scraps from the daily Undaunted dungeon pledges. You have to do daily random dungeons to get them.

I have just accepted that it's going to take me the 50 days to get mine the first time. Then I will purchase the rest for my alts.

But why? It's so easy to get class scripts. Daily rnd normal gives one on each toon. Vma gives 3 and it's so easy at this point you can do it with 1 hand and eyes closed.

That's nice that you can do VMA with 1 hand and your eyes closed. Come back in 40 years and try doing it then. Some of us simply don't have the reflexes, fine motor skills or co-ordination to do that anymore. A life spent working for a living tends to do that to your body

And, I have never done a random daily dungeon in my puff and I don't intend to do so now. I will just take my time and do it through my master writs. I am not in any hurry. Will probably take me that long to get all the scripts on all my "toons" any how.

Lylith

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

You don't get Class Script Scraps from the daily Undaunted dungeon pledges. You have to do daily random dungeons to get them.

I have just accepted that it's going to take me the 50 days to get mine the first time. Then I will purchase the rest for my alts.

But why? It's so easy to get class scripts. Daily rnd normal gives one on each toon. Vma gives 3 and it's so easy at this point you can do it with 1 hand and eyes closed.

That's nice that you can do VMA with 1 hand and your eyes closed. Come back in 40 years and try doing it then. Some of us simply don't have the reflexes, fine motor skills or co-ordination to do that anymore. A life spent working for a living tends to do that to your body

And, I have never done a random daily dungeon in my puff and I don't intend to do so now. I will just take my time and do it through my master writs. I am not in any hurry. Will probably take me that long to get all the scripts on all my "toons" any how.

qft.

spot on.

Nathrai

But ... but ... just git gud!

(Really, I find those replies amusing. As if ESO was only played by 20-year-olds with 10h a day to spend on "getting good" at a spare time leasure ... )

But you could actually try nMA - I was never good to begin with, have developed old-man-syndrome over the past couple of years and haven't played ESO in 3 years. Still had a rather relaxing nMA run yesterday, with only the ice stage posing a hint of a challange - and mostly because I ran with a build that mainly does area damage.

Personally, I find the "grind" okay with this one. No drop chances (other than IA obviously being buggy), so I know I'll get my script in 25-50 days.

Lylith

yeah, i may try vma, it's been years.

i despise the infinite archive and the capricious way it (doesn't) reward script scraps; done with that.

i'd do dsa if it wasn't such a time sink; there needs to be some way to silence and skip the idiot announcements in that slog.

thanks for the nma advice, got thru it first try, the umbrage stage was the worst for me, rng is terrible in that one.

furiouslog

I wrapped this up a few days ago. I got most of them from doing vet trials, but the master writs and random normals also made it pretty easy. It's really not that bad if you do a variety of content.

DigiAngel

Heh...I feel for you all. I'm so glad I didn't spend any money on Gold Road.....the scribing system really sounds awful.

Akinos

Once you do the class mastery grind on one character you can just buy the full script for other characters from the scribing vendor, at least this week you can, so long as they've done the very first scribing quest that unlocks scribing. I only did the 50 class script thing on my necro but just now I bought them for my warden and sorc. 4500 gold each.

NoticeMeArkay

I just ran random dungeons and did a bg a day on some of my alts. Add 2 vet trials to it which added 3 scraps each.
I'm now at 47 out of 50. Gold road dropped around 20 days ago.

I don't think it's as bad as described here.