The Class Script Scraps Grind is an Abomination!

Imperial_Archmage

"Class Script Scrap" try saying that 3 times fast... the fact that it's a tongue twister is the least of it's problems. Requiring 50 of these damn things while limiting the sources to very time consuming group content is frankly unconscionable. ESO is not a game for hardcore players, very few MMOs are these days. In fact, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of the playerbase treats ESO as a solo game and approaches it very casually, speaking for myself, I certainly fall in that category. Even so I played my butt off this week and unlocked every other script but for the class one because as a casual solo player I am limited to, at most, 3 scraps per day (one from each daily queue activity and the daily master writ). This is also forcing me to engage in PvP which I absolutely hate, especially in this game, and making for a very frustrating experience overall. And it's even worse for truly solo players who will have access to even fewer ways of obtaining the scraps, really just the daily master writ, which I am frankly tempted to do except that after being forced to wait 50 days I simply wouldn't be playing the game anymore at that point as I would have quit out of sheer frustration.

This really needs to be fixed and the achievement changed to require much fewer scraps or otherwise the means of obtaining them need to be significantly loosened. The system is already restrictive, grindy and bareboned enough without adding this additional layer of frustration into the mix. ZOS, you asked for feedback and I am offering it: let us get that damn class script in a way that is more respectful to all players not just those few who no-life the game.

Dragonnord

Are you in a hurry? It's been 5 days of the Expansion.

Even if it takes a month, two months or whatever, it'd be OK. What's the hurry?
 

nenekotanb16_ESO

Trial + weekly trial quest = 3 class scripts. You can join a normal difficulty trial group via group finder like Halls of Fabrication (popular now due to lead), probably do 0 damage and not talk, and it will be fine (maybe don't do the newest one). It will probably be quicker than a vet dungeon even.

I largely play solo and just quest/craft/trade, but most normal trials don't require talking, coordination nor a really good build and can just be joined ad-hoc without a guild.

Jimbru

It's a problem because the achievement doesn't warn you that the scraps can only be gotten from each source once a day. I just made a pile of master writs on my main character thinking I could get the scraps. I turned in like 20 of them, got ONE scrap, and I still have a pack full of writs and made items for which I now can't get scraps but once per day, and my main character is effectively stuck with a full pack until I can turn them in. TIME GATING IS BAD GAME DESIGN, especially when you're not warned about it. GET RID OF THE DAILY TIME GATES, ZOS!

Lags

i dont understand the people who are like oh its fine, whats the rush, who cares. Its always eso fam, play how you want, blah blah blah until its the competitive or end game players. The players who want to actually have access to skills, test them, and do the content in the game.

I understand you guys want to play causally and respect that. I mean its a great game for that. But the fact that you cant see it from the other side is very telling. The pointless, meaningless, boring, long, time gated, grinds are just unnecessary. And im not sure why you guys have to come in these threads to make snarky remarks. Like how does it hurt you if we have access to the skills we want faster? You can still play at your own pace.

anyways, ya i agree op. obviously.

Soarora

I'm pretty sure you can get them on multiple characters a day considering I have 27/50 already.

DeathStalker

Soarora wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can get them on multiple characters a day considering I have 27/50 already.

How? I did all the quests on my main. Then I did the first quest on an alt, then did a daily wb and got nothing. is it only 100% the first time on 1 character per day per account? This system seems like it's set up to take forever to do

EdjeSwift

Understanding where they come from is the important thing, they're not from dailies, these particular scraps come from Trials, Dungeons, IA(Not working Consistently), Arenas, PvP and Master Writs. There are many sources per day.

DeathStalker

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Understanding where they come from is the important thing, they're not from dailies, these particular scraps come from Trials, Dungeons, IA(Not working Consistently), Arenas, PvP and Master Writs. There are many sources per day.

then why didn't I get one of the other scripts? because I had did the same daily on another already today?

EdjeSwift

The first dai

DeathStalker wrote: »

then why didn't I get one of the other scripts? because I had did the same daily on another already today?

Only the first daily of each type is guaranteed a script drop, subsequent only have a 25% chance. Or so they say.

DeathStalker

EdjeSwift wrote: »

The first dai

DeathStalker wrote: »

then why didn't I get one of the other scripts? because I had did the same daily on another already today?

Only the first daily of each type is guaranteed a script drop, subsequent only have a 25% chance. Or so they say.

that's frustrating but thank you for the answer

Imperial_Archmage

Dragonnord wrote: »

Are you in a hurry? It's been 5 days of the Expansion.

Even if it takes a month, two months or whatever, it'd be OK. What's the hurry?
 

It's not a question of "hurry" it's incredibly frustrating to be able to get every other script in the game in less than a week but have a single one gated behind a massive slog. Yeah sure, like I said I can just turn in 50 master writs over 50 days but why make it so painful? This system was all about experimenting but that's impossible when (1) you can't get all the scripts in a reasonable time frame and (2) it's prohibitively expensive because of how rare the inks are. It's just bad design all around.

fred4

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

"Class Script Scrap" try saying that 3 times fast... the fact that it's a tongue twister is the least of it's problems. Requiring 50 of these damn things while limiting the sources to very time consuming group content is frankly unconscionable. ESO is not a game for hardcore players, very few MMOs are these days. In fact, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of the playerbase treats ESO as a solo game and approaches it very casually, speaking for myself, I certainly fall in that category. Even so I played my butt off this week and unlocked every other script but for the class one because as a casual solo player I am limited to, at most, 3 scraps per day (one from each daily queue activity and the daily master writ). This is also forcing me to engage in PvP which I absolutely hate, especially in this game, and making for a very frustrating experience overall. And it's even worse for truly solo players who will have access to even fewer ways of obtaining the scraps, really just the daily master writ, which I am frankly tempted to do except that after being forced to wait 50 days I simply wouldn't be playing the game anymore at that point as I would have quit out of sheer frustration.

This really needs to be fixed and the achievement changed to require much fewer scraps or otherwise the means of obtaining them need to be significantly loosened. The system is already restrictive, grindy and bareboned enough without adding this additional layer of frustration into the mix. ZOS, you asked for feedback and I am offering it: let us get that damn class script in a way that is more respectful to all players not just those few who no-life the game.

I am totally perplexed. You say you're a casual solo player. Out of the myriad of build options you need the class script one? Clearly not. Is your sole objective, then, to obtain every single achievement? Is there no joy in playing the game, other than ticking a list of arbitrary boxes that ZOS made up?

I'm speaking as a build-crafter. Scripts actually matter to me as someone who enjoys that part of the game, but God, there is so much you can do already. It truly doesn't matter if this one thing is a mega grind. At the end of the day this is an RPG. Whatever happend to enjoying the game and letting things come naturally when they do?

pklemming

To be fair, if you are not a necro, templar, or Dk, the class script is only there to finish the achievement. The class skill is so poor on other classes, it just won't be used.

for me, though, class script pieces have not been an issue. it depends on what you are killing.

TheDarkRuler

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

Soarora

DeathStalker wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can get them on multiple characters a day considering I have 27/50 already.

How? I did all the quests on my main. Then I did the first quest on an alt, then did a daily wb and got nothing. is it only 100% the first time on 1 character per day per account? This system seems like it's set up to take forever to do

Random dungeons, particularly veteran but I doubt it matters that I did vet instead of normal. I didn't keep track exactly how I got them but that must have been how.

Edit: to be specific, I only did one random on each character.

Imperial_Archmage

fred4 wrote: »

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

"Class Script Scrap" try saying that 3 times fast... the fact that it's a tongue twister is the least of it's problems. Requiring 50 of these damn things while limiting the sources to very time consuming group content is frankly unconscionable. ESO is not a game for hardcore players, very few MMOs are these days. In fact, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of the playerbase treats ESO as a solo game and approaches it very casually, speaking for myself, I certainly fall in that category. Even so I played my butt off this week and unlocked every other script but for the class one because as a casual solo player I am limited to, at most, 3 scraps per day (one from each daily queue activity and the daily master writ). This is also forcing me to engage in PvP which I absolutely hate, especially in this game, and making for a very frustrating experience overall. And it's even worse for truly solo players who will have access to even fewer ways of obtaining the scraps, really just the daily master writ, which I am frankly tempted to do except that after being forced to wait 50 days I simply wouldn't be playing the game anymore at that point as I would have quit out of sheer frustration.

This really needs to be fixed and the achievement changed to require much fewer scraps or otherwise the means of obtaining them need to be significantly loosened. The system is already restrictive, grindy and bareboned enough without adding this additional layer of frustration into the mix. ZOS, you asked for feedback and I am offering it: let us get that damn class script in a way that is more respectful to all players not just those few who no-life the game.

I am totally perplexed. You say you're a casual solo player. Out of the myriad of build options you need the class script one? Clearly not. Is your sole objective, then, to obtain every single achievement? Is there no joy in playing the game, other than ticking a list of arbitrary boxes that ZOS made up?

I'm speaking as a build-crafter. Scripts actually matter to me as someone who enjoys that part of the game, but God, there is so much you can do already. It truly doesn't matter if this one thing is a mega grind. At the end of the day this is an RPG. Whatever happend to enjoying the game and letting things come naturally when they do?

You are "perplexed" because you don't know me or what my goals are. All I wanted from Scribing was to improve upon the severely lacking shock skill repertoire of my magicka sorcerer who is focused on lightning spells. To do that I need the shock focus script and yes, the class script as well. The shock script was one of the very last I got and the class one is going to take me weeks to get because I don't have the time or the desire to engage in time consuming group content, in this game or any other. When I paid for this expansion I wanted to unlock this new system after a reasonable amount of grinding and be able to experiment with it. What I got instead was a monumental grind consisting of braindead daily chores for what will be weeks on end, not to mention the inability to experiment with the new system due to how rare and consequently expensive inks are.

So yeah, as you say I would like nothing more than to "just enjoy the game" but I can't because the one thing I wanted from this expansion I won't be able to get any time soon. I haven't even had the desire to play through the new story content (which is the one part of the game I enjoy most) because I wanted to do it using these new Scribing skills. I hope this offers you some clarity because you had me pegged as an achievement hunter "ticking boxes" which I couldn't be further from.

Imperial_Archmage

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

I completely agree. Except it won't take me a week, it will take me close to a month.

TheDarkRuler

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

I completely agree. Except it won't take me a week, it will take me close to a month.

If you're on PC-EU i can help you with Pledges etc.etc.

Imperial_Archmage

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I already got it. It is really easy if you know you can just do the trials and pledges.
Getting a long term achievement in a week is perfectly fine.

I completely agree. Except it won't take me a week, it will take me close to a month.

If you're on PC-EU i can help you with Pledges etc.etc.

I appreciate that, I am on PC-US. My problem isn't so much being able to get help, there are a lot of fine folks playing ESO who are always happy to lend a hand, it's more a question of simply not having enough time in a day. At this stage in my life I can't spend more than an hour or two a day on video games and because all of these tasks have a daily lockout it's impossible for me to get more than a few per day. Now weekends are another matter but that doesn't help speed up the grind much.

Anyway, I am mostly just venting my frustration here. Chances are ZOS won't do anything about this and on the off chance they do it will be so far down the road that I would have either already gotten it done the slow way or otherwise quit completely. C’est la vie!

Soarora

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

"Class Script Scrap" try saying that 3 times fast... the fact that it's a tongue twister is the least of it's problems. Requiring 50 of these damn things while limiting the sources to very time consuming group content is frankly unconscionable. ESO is not a game for hardcore players, very few MMOs are these days. In fact, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the majority of the playerbase treats ESO as a solo game and approaches it very casually, speaking for myself, I certainly fall in that category. Even so I played my butt off this week and unlocked every other script but for the class one because as a casual solo player I am limited to, at most, 3 scraps per day (one from each daily queue activity and the daily master writ). This is also forcing me to engage in PvP which I absolutely hate, especially in this game, and making for a very frustrating experience overall. And it's even worse for truly solo players who will have access to even fewer ways of obtaining the scraps, really just the daily master writ, which I am frankly tempted to do except that after being forced to wait 50 days I simply wouldn't be playing the game anymore at that point as I would have quit out of sheer frustration.

This really needs to be fixed and the achievement changed to require much fewer scraps or otherwise the means of obtaining them need to be significantly loosened. The system is already restrictive, grindy and bareboned enough without adding this additional layer of frustration into the mix. ZOS, you asked for feedback and I am offering it: let us get that damn class script in a way that is more respectful to all players not just those few who no-life the game.

I am totally perplexed. You say you're a casual solo player. Out of the myriad of build options you need the class script one? Clearly not. Is your sole objective, then, to obtain every single achievement? Is there no joy in playing the game, other than ticking a list of arbitrary boxes that ZOS made up?

I'm speaking as a build-crafter. Scripts actually matter to me as someone who enjoys that part of the game, but God, there is so much you can do already. It truly doesn't matter if this one thing is a mega grind. At the end of the day this is an RPG. Whatever happend to enjoying the game and letting things come naturally when they do?

When I paid for this expansion I wanted to unlock this new system after a reasonable amount of grinding and be able to experiment with it. What I got instead was a monumental grind consisting of braindead daily chores for what will be weeks on end, not to mention the inability to experiment with the new system due to how rare and consequently expensive inks are.

Honestly, you're not alone in this. I think this is a problem we're all having unfortunately. A system that's supposed to be experimental, fun, and exciting is only grindy. It locks out casuals due to the gold cost and time sink in getting the scripts they want, and it locks out endgame experimentation due to the sheer amount of combinations we need to try in content, which we can't just go do on the PTS like we could if it was a parse and also again, the time sink in getting the scripts we want.

Pelanora

Zos trying to return us to the days when we did tasks that took months...handmaking a quilt? Knitting jersies for winter? Ahhh the good old days.

Desiato

Imagine having progression elements in an rpg....

BasP

Desiato wrote: »

Imagine having progression elements in an rpg....

Gating progression behind having to do the exact same menial chores for days on end seems more like an MMO than an RPG thing to me, though. But for those that like to roleplay as braindead mercenaries I suppose the dailies are fitting.

Bucky_13

I mean, by getting 3 per day, you'll have it in 17 days, that is not a long time for something that you only need to collect once. Wish players would stop being so impatient.

Desiato

BasP wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Imagine having progression elements in an rpg....

Gating progression behind having to do the exact same menial chores for days on end seems more like an MMO than an RPG thing to me, though. But for those that like to roleplay as braindead mercenaries I suppose the dailies are fitting.

What you call menial chores are a wide range of activities that ESO players generally spend their time doing! Furthermore, this is how progression is typically implemented in games.

I completed it in 5 days mainly doing the things I was doing before gold road.

The "grind" only has to be done once, and then other characters can buy their class mastery script for 5000 gold. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

I think most players who play every day will accumulate 50 scraps within a few weeks without even trying. There's no need to stress about it.

soldierofzion82

Ahem, I work 60 hours a week and have a family. If it takes me a year or two, that's fine. Enjoy the journey. You don't have to unlock everything in a week or two. This chapter is so cool. Best one yet.

BasP

Desiato wrote: »

BasP wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Imagine having progression elements in an rpg....

Gating progression behind having to do the exact same menial chores for days on end seems more like an MMO than an RPG thing to me, though. But for those that like to roleplay as braindead mercenaries I suppose the dailies are fitting.

What you call menial chores are a wide range of activities that ESO players generally spend their time doing! Furthermore, this is how progression is typically implemented in games.

I completed it in 5 days mainly doing the things I was doing before gold road.

The "grind" only has to be done once, and then other characters can buy their class mastery script for 5000 gold. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

I think most players who play every day will accumulate 50 scraps within a few weeks without even trying. There's no need to stress about it.

Apologies, my reply probably seems more cross than I intended. I played BG3 for a good bit before returning to ESO to check out the new chapter, and I was just thinking to myself that doing the same dailies all the time to unlock parts of the game isn't something you'd often see in an award winning RPG like BG3.

I actually don't mind the grind for the Scraps (or Scripts for that matter) myself. Of course ESO is an MMO and doing a bit of grinding is part of the game. I still would've preferred it if Ink wasn't required for Scribing so that players that looked forward to experimenting with all of the combinations could more easily do it after unlocking all of the Grimoires and Scripts, but that's another discussion.

Firstmep

Got all 50 in 4 days. How? Daily random dungeon gives 1 or 2 (normal or vet), and this can be repeated on as many toons as you have.
You throw in a little vma for 3 per day, 1 for master writ, 1 daily bg box and you can be done in no time.

Jaraal

BasP wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Imagine having progression elements in an rpg....

Gating progression behind having to do the exact same menial chores for days on end seems more like an MMO than an RPG thing to me, though. But for those that like to roleplay as braindead mercenaries I suppose the dailies are fitting.

150 daily quests for the Murkmire Prepper achievement/title would like to have a word with you.

xylena_lazarow

Dragonnord wrote: »

Are you in a hurry? It's been 5 days of the Expansion. Even if it takes a month, two months or whatever, it'd be OK. What's the hurry?

Yes. I paid $40 for Scribing, not to sit here waiting for time gates while I slog through daily chores. You can maybe justify this in a F2P game, but not for a $40 paid product that I've already earned by paying the $40 that I earned.