scribing should not be so unfriendly to alts

Lags · June 5

I just think it sucks. I think its really disrespectful to players time. You wanted feedback, people gave it, and you still made it bad. Idk how you guys always manage to miss the mark so badly. If someone plays one of every class regularly, like i do, and i want to use this system on every class, i have to do a ton of grinding. A lot of it is also RNG. And the ink drop rate is a problem as well, but thats another topic.

I wont be surprised if we see something in the crown store in the future to make this less of a grind, which again is so disrespectful. There is absolutely no reason you guys shouldn't have made 90% of the scripts account wide. For example, even going through the entire questline one time, then farming all of the scripts on one character, then going through each character to do the intro quest, and then going to buy the scrips you wanted, would still be a very large time investment. Making us farm scripts on every alt is just pointless, redundant, annoying, boring, disrespectful, out of touch, and silly.

The way i see it, on an alt, you would probably just go for specific scripts for skills you have looked at and want to use on an alt. But then there is rng involved. And you also cant test things on different classes, that play somewhat differently. Im not opposed to grinding, ive played a lot of bdo and other mmos where ive spent thousands of hours grinding. I just dont agree with pointless time wasting grinds that serve no purpose and are easily remedied.

So ya idk what else to say. It just really sucks for people who play every class. My suggestion would be simple, just let people buy them on alts from the merchant. gg

darvaria · June 5

Okay, this is my guess on how this will go:

- You have to open all 5 gates on one character
- Then you can purchase each gate ... hmmm I would guess 800 crowns per gate. Per gate would allow you to only buy they ones you wanted for that class. I'm guessing 800 because that is cost for sky shards for most zones. Or maybe ... they would consider it a skill line .. so 3kish crowns.

Necrotech_Master · June 5

darvaria wrote: »

Okay, this is my guess on how this will go:

- You have to open all 5 gates on one character
- Then you can purchase each gate ... hmmm I would guess 800 crowns per gate. Per gate would allow you to only buy they ones you wanted for that class. I'm guessing 800 because that is cost for sky shards for most zones. Or maybe ... they would consider it a skill line .. so 3kish crowns.

this is unlikely considering you dont have to do any wings on alt characters as it is now

in response to the OP, i agree that its going to be a grind, my biggest problem right now i see is the ink drops being the biggest bottleneck

sure its annoying to have to relearn all the grimoire and scripts on alts, but as long as at least 1 character has learned them, they can be bought pretty cheaply (for 2+ characters, the cost to buy everything is like ~75% cheaper)

Juju_beans · June 5

I only do stuff like that on one character.
The rest just play.

darvaria · June 5

So you don't have to do the gate quests on other toons?

TybaltKaine · June 5

The only reason to do the gates on more than one character is to unlock the soul burst ability on that character.

TaSheen · June 5

TybaltKaine wrote: »

The only reason to do the gates on more than one character is to unlock the soul burst ability on that character.

As well as getting the 12 inks for the whole quest line on each alt you choose to do that on.

xylena_lazarow · June 5

Good: questline only required on 1 toon, Grimoires for gold, Ink tradeable

Bad: Script grind is more chores and time gates that detract from the experience

Nobody here is paying $40 to redo the same old overworld PvE content. It just gets in the way of enjoying what we paid $40 for. There's no merit to prove, no service provided, no product made, there is no earning going on, just a waste of time doing chores for robots instead of PvPing with your friends or moving along PvE dungeon queues.

majulook · June 5

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Necrotech_Master · June 5

darvaria wrote: »

So you don't have to do the gate quests on other toons?

alt character only need to complete the first quest "second era of scribing" to access the system

the only reason to do the wing quests again on alts is because they give some freebie ink (3 per wing for a total of 12 per character)

Lags · June 5

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

darvaria wrote: »

Okay, this is my guess on how this will go:

- You have to open all 5 gates on one character
- Then you can purchase each gate ... hmmm I would guess 800 crowns per gate. Per gate would allow you to only buy they ones you wanted for that class. I'm guessing 800 because that is cost for sky shards for most zones. Or maybe ... they would consider it a skill line .. so 3kish crowns.

this is unlikely considering you dont have to do any wings on alt characters as it is now

in response to the OP, i agree that its going to be a grind, my biggest problem right now i see is the ink drops being the biggest bottleneck

sure its annoying to have to relearn all the grimoire and scripts on alts, but as long as at least 1 character has learned them, they can be bought pretty cheaply (for 2+ characters, the cost to buy everything is like ~75% cheaper)

i dont think thats the case. If this is how it was i would be perfectly fine with it. And to be honest, this is how i thought it was going to be after the PTS. I thought there was no way they would screw alts so badly. Simply because of how many scripts there are.

But i dont see any of the scripts that ive gotten on my main, at least the ones from daily reward coffers etc, in the vendor. just the basic ones. The RNG ones are the most ridiculous. So are you seeing another vendor? Or am i missing something here? Because i would love to hear that this is how it actually is, but from everything ive seen and read it is not.

Necrotech_Master · June 5

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

darvaria wrote: »

Okay, this is my guess on how this will go:

- You have to open all 5 gates on one character
- Then you can purchase each gate ... hmmm I would guess 800 crowns per gate. Per gate would allow you to only buy they ones you wanted for that class. I'm guessing 800 because that is cost for sky shards for most zones. Or maybe ... they would consider it a skill line .. so 3kish crowns.

this is unlikely considering you dont have to do any wings on alt characters as it is now

in response to the OP, i agree that its going to be a grind, my biggest problem right now i see is the ink drops being the biggest bottleneck

sure its annoying to have to relearn all the grimoire and scripts on alts, but as long as at least 1 character has learned them, they can be bought pretty cheaply (for 2+ characters, the cost to buy everything is like ~75% cheaper)

i dont think thats the case. If this is how it was i would be perfectly fine with it. And to be honest, this is how i thought it was going to be after the PTS. I thought there was no way they would screw alts so badly. Simply because of how many scripts there are.

But i dont see any of the scripts that ive gotten on my main, at least the ones from daily reward coffers etc, in the vendor. just the basic ones. The RNG ones are the most ridiculous. So are you seeing another vendor? Or am i missing something here? Because i would love to hear that this is how it actually is, but from everything ive seen and read it is not.

the vendor in the scholarium i think has a weekly rotating stock of scripts that can be bought for gold

there is also scripts on the archive rotation vendor, but i wouldnt recommend those until you have it learned on at least 1 character (the cost for unlearned ones is 15-20k fortunes, they drop to like 5k after you learned it at least once)

i dont know if theres any real fast way to fill them out, outside of the guaranteed drops (the ones near the mages guild), you can go to those with a character that hasnt learned it, grab the script, and then bank it, and it respawns and you can rinse/repeat until you have enough in your bank for all characters (this would be like 15 scripts total if its all base game alliance mages guilds)

Lags · June 5

majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

Necrotech_Master · June 5

Lags wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

yeah its not great, my biggest bottleneck that i can see is just the rarity of ink to actually make anything, i have all of the grimoires learned on my main but i cant even craft the skills at least once to finish achievements because well, no ink lol

my current gameplan with this is to learn everything on my main both for achievements, and to relieve the costs on other toons

for the scripts, when i get the mages guild ones, i will bank enough for alt toons, so that will be approx 10 copies of each of those (i have 11 characters in total, ill bank 10x copies and then learn it on my main)

since ink is such a major bottleneck right now im not at all worried about how long it will take my alts to even learn the scripts

Lags · June 5

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

darvaria wrote: »

Okay, this is my guess on how this will go:

- You have to open all 5 gates on one character
- Then you can purchase each gate ... hmmm I would guess 800 crowns per gate. Per gate would allow you to only buy they ones you wanted for that class. I'm guessing 800 because that is cost for sky shards for most zones. Or maybe ... they would consider it a skill line .. so 3kish crowns.

this is unlikely considering you dont have to do any wings on alt characters as it is now

in response to the OP, i agree that its going to be a grind, my biggest problem right now i see is the ink drops being the biggest bottleneck

sure its annoying to have to relearn all the grimoire and scripts on alts, but as long as at least 1 character has learned them, they can be bought pretty cheaply (for 2+ characters, the cost to buy everything is like ~75% cheaper)

i dont think thats the case. If this is how it was i would be perfectly fine with it. And to be honest, this is how i thought it was going to be after the PTS. I thought there was no way they would screw alts so badly. Simply because of how many scripts there are.

But i dont see any of the scripts that ive gotten on my main, at least the ones from daily reward coffers etc, in the vendor. just the basic ones. The RNG ones are the most ridiculous. So are you seeing another vendor? Or am i missing something here? Because i would love to hear that this is how it actually is, but from everything ive seen and read it is not.

the vendor in the scholarium i think has a weekly rotating stock of scripts that can be bought for gold

there is also scripts on the archive rotation vendor, but i wouldnt recommend those until you have it learned on at least 1 character (the cost for unlearned ones is 15-20k fortunes, they drop to like 5k after you learned it at least once)

i dont know if theres any real fast way to fill them out, outside of the guaranteed drops (the ones near the mages guild), you can go to those with a character that hasnt learned it, grab the script, and then bank it, and it respawns and you can rinse/repeat until you have enough in your bank for all characters (this would be like 15 scripts total if its all base game alliance mages guilds)

Ok so maybe i misunderstood your post then.

sure its annoying to have to relearn all the grimoire and scripts on alts, but as long as at least 1 character has learned them, they can be bought pretty cheaply (for 2+ characters, the cost to buy everything is like ~75% cheaper)[/quote]

To me that implies you can buy all of them from the vendor once you've learned them on your main. But maybe you meant something else. Because this is like a massive difference, and really the main point of the entire issue.

If you could buy them on alts after learning them on a main it would be fine. Instead you will have to go do dailies and whatever else on whatever characters you want to get them on and hope you get the right ones. Its just pointless.

I know about the IA ones, imo its way too expensive. There are already more than enough money sinks for archival fortunes. The mages guild ones are nice sure, i already grabbed those for all my characters, but again its the rest of them that are the issue.

Its just one of those things where zos has zero consideration for certain kinds of players. Everything else seems fine, but this is just extremely off putting. Mainly because its super pointless, will take a ton of time, and could be easily fixed. Again, i think most people thought you would be able to buy them on alts after learning then. That was the only thing that made sense.

Lags · June 5

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

yeah its not great, my biggest bottleneck that i can see is just the rarity of ink to actually make anything, i have all of the grimoires learned on my main but i cant even craft the skills at least once to finish achievements because well, no ink lol

my current gameplan with this is to learn everything on my main both for achievements, and to relieve the costs on other toons

for the scripts, when i get the mages guild ones, i will bank enough for alt toons, so that will be approx 10 copies of each of those (i have 11 characters in total, ill bank 10x copies and then learn it on my main)

since ink is such a major bottleneck right now im not at all worried about how long it will take my alts to even learn the scripts

I mean ya i get that, thats a good plan, but it still wont change the fact that eventually, on however many alts, you'll end up having to do the same menial tasks, like dallies, over and over. And ya the ink bottleneck sucks as well, but like i said thats another issue. Im sure plenty of people are already complaining about that nightmare. But personally i find this issue is the most important thing to me at the moment.

Necrotech_Master · June 5

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

yeah its not great, my biggest bottleneck that i can see is just the rarity of ink to actually make anything, i have all of the grimoires learned on my main but i cant even craft the skills at least once to finish achievements because well, no ink lol

my current gameplan with this is to learn everything on my main both for achievements, and to relieve the costs on other toons

for the scripts, when i get the mages guild ones, i will bank enough for alt toons, so that will be approx 10 copies of each of those (i have 11 characters in total, ill bank 10x copies and then learn it on my main)

since ink is such a major bottleneck right now im not at all worried about how long it will take my alts to even learn the scripts

I mean ya i get that, thats a good plan, but it still wont change the fact that eventually, on however many alts, you'll end up having to do the same menial tasks, like dallies, over and over. And ya the ink bottleneck sucks as well, but like i said thats another issue. Im sure plenty of people are already complaining about that nightmare. But personally i find this issue is the most important thing to me at the moment.

yeah theres a lot of replayability problems for the entire system lol

working with what we got right now though, i figure if i learn everything on my main, i can experiment with the skills see what options are available, see what feels right, and then on my alts i can try to get specific scripts first to fit the skills i wanted for them

since ink is also a problem, i dont see myself even scribing a lot of spells for quite some time (while it is different from learning the scripts, i find it to be a related problem because if there was an easier way to learn all the scripts, while this is not an issue the ink still would be)

at least with the combination of ink being rare, and taking time to gather the necessary scripts for each character it kind of balances out in a way

Lags · June 5

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

yeah its not great, my biggest bottleneck that i can see is just the rarity of ink to actually make anything, i have all of the grimoires learned on my main but i cant even craft the skills at least once to finish achievements because well, no ink lol

my current gameplan with this is to learn everything on my main both for achievements, and to relieve the costs on other toons

for the scripts, when i get the mages guild ones, i will bank enough for alt toons, so that will be approx 10 copies of each of those (i have 11 characters in total, ill bank 10x copies and then learn it on my main)

since ink is such a major bottleneck right now im not at all worried about how long it will take my alts to even learn the scripts

I mean ya i get that, thats a good plan, but it still wont change the fact that eventually, on however many alts, you'll end up having to do the same menial tasks, like dallies, over and over. And ya the ink bottleneck sucks as well, but like i said thats another issue. Im sure plenty of people are already complaining about that nightmare. But personally i find this issue is the most important thing to me at the moment.

yeah theres a lot of replayability problems for the entire system lol

working with what we got right now though, i figure if i learn everything on my main, i can experiment with the skills see what options are available, see what feels right, and then on my alts i can try to get specific scripts first to fit the skills i wanted for them

since ink is also a problem, i dont see myself even scribing a lot of spells for quite some time (while it is different from learning the scripts, i find it to be a related problem because if there was an easier way to learn all the scripts, while this is not an issue the ink still would be)

at least with the combination of ink being rare, and taking time to gather the necessary scripts for each character it kind of balances out in a way

ya thats probably the best way to go about it. Maybe in the future on the PTS, or using the scribing calculator thing i saw. But its nice to be able to try something on a class. The combination of a lack of ink and the massive time sink is truly frustrating.

At this point these are the type of things we'll have to do. Trying skills on your main, etc. It sucks though, since classes play differently, but thats where we're at. I hope if enough people voice their displeasure zos will change this absurd system and just let us buy them on alts, like the other scripts. And increase the drop rate of ink.

It just really kills my enjoyment of the game when they do stuff like this. Why make the ink drop rate so low? Ive heard 0.1% 0.2% and 0.5%. Its like, why? Although, 0.5% is still better than a radiant apex mount >_< but its like, why do this? Let people be creative. Let people have fun. Let people try stuff out. Where is the harm in people having a good amount of ink to change skills? Im not saying make it 50%, but how about 5% or 10%. It doesnt need to feel almost as rare as aetherial dust.

Becuase, as it stands, ive gotten more aetherial dust in eso than i have ink. We'll see when that changes but considering ive yet to even get one ink, im not sure when that will be.

Necrotech_Master · June 5

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

yeah its not great, my biggest bottleneck that i can see is just the rarity of ink to actually make anything, i have all of the grimoires learned on my main but i cant even craft the skills at least once to finish achievements because well, no ink lol

my current gameplan with this is to learn everything on my main both for achievements, and to relieve the costs on other toons

for the scripts, when i get the mages guild ones, i will bank enough for alt toons, so that will be approx 10 copies of each of those (i have 11 characters in total, ill bank 10x copies and then learn it on my main)

since ink is such a major bottleneck right now im not at all worried about how long it will take my alts to even learn the scripts

I mean ya i get that, thats a good plan, but it still wont change the fact that eventually, on however many alts, you'll end up having to do the same menial tasks, like dallies, over and over. And ya the ink bottleneck sucks as well, but like i said thats another issue. Im sure plenty of people are already complaining about that nightmare. But personally i find this issue is the most important thing to me at the moment.

yeah theres a lot of replayability problems for the entire system lol

working with what we got right now though, i figure if i learn everything on my main, i can experiment with the skills see what options are available, see what feels right, and then on my alts i can try to get specific scripts first to fit the skills i wanted for them

since ink is also a problem, i dont see myself even scribing a lot of spells for quite some time (while it is different from learning the scripts, i find it to be a related problem because if there was an easier way to learn all the scripts, while this is not an issue the ink still would be)

at least with the combination of ink being rare, and taking time to gather the necessary scripts for each character it kind of balances out in a way

ya thats probably the best way to go about it. Maybe in the future on the PTS, or using the scribing calculator thing i saw. But its nice to be able to try something on a class. The combination of a lack of ink and the massive time sink is truly frustrating.

At this point these are the type of things we'll have to do. Trying skills on your main, etc. It sucks though, since classes play differently, but thats where we're at. I hope if enough people voice their displeasure zos will change this absurd system and just let us buy them on alts, like the other scripts. And increase the drop rate of ink.

It just really kills my enjoyment of the game when they do stuff like this. Why make the ink drop rate so low? Ive heard 0.1% 0.2% and 0.5%. Its like, why? Although, 0.5% is still better than a radiant apex mount >_< but its like, why do this? Let people be creative. Let people have fun. Let people try stuff out. Where is the harm in people having a good amount of ink to change skills? Im not saying make it 50%, but how about 5% or 10%. It doesnt need to feel almost as rare as aetherial dust.

Becuase, as it stands, ive gotten more aetherial dust in eso than i have ink. We'll see when that changes but considering ive yet to even get one ink, im not sure when that will be.

once you have everything learned on one character you can use them as a template to at least look at what the possible skill combo can create, then you know which scripts you need to learn on other toons (the grimoires thankfully are mostly a gimme because they are offered from the scholarium merchant all the time)

ink drops from resource nodes from what ive seen is roughly 0.6% (someone got that % by number of ink from 1000 nodes), which is about 3.5x rarer than nirncrux (the same poster had almost 2.25% chance of nirncrux out of 1000 nodes)

i completely agree with you overall that the scribing system is horrifically bottlenecked right now, by several different things that kind of go hand in hand (access to scripts and access to ink)

i know a lot of this is because its new and we want to play with it, in a year or so when we have all the scripts learned and have most of the skills we want to use at the time, ink wont seem like much of a problem as it is right now

i did scribing quests on day 1 of release and to date i have not gotten a single ink drop (from either nodes or enemies), ive not gotten a ton of scripts either but thats mostly because i havent been focusing on dailies, more on new zone content

Lags · June 5

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

yeah its not great, my biggest bottleneck that i can see is just the rarity of ink to actually make anything, i have all of the grimoires learned on my main but i cant even craft the skills at least once to finish achievements because well, no ink lol

my current gameplan with this is to learn everything on my main both for achievements, and to relieve the costs on other toons

for the scripts, when i get the mages guild ones, i will bank enough for alt toons, so that will be approx 10 copies of each of those (i have 11 characters in total, ill bank 10x copies and then learn it on my main)

since ink is such a major bottleneck right now im not at all worried about how long it will take my alts to even learn the scripts

I mean ya i get that, thats a good plan, but it still wont change the fact that eventually, on however many alts, you'll end up having to do the same menial tasks, like dallies, over and over. And ya the ink bottleneck sucks as well, but like i said thats another issue. Im sure plenty of people are already complaining about that nightmare. But personally i find this issue is the most important thing to me at the moment.

yeah theres a lot of replayability problems for the entire system lol

working with what we got right now though, i figure if i learn everything on my main, i can experiment with the skills see what options are available, see what feels right, and then on my alts i can try to get specific scripts first to fit the skills i wanted for them

since ink is also a problem, i dont see myself even scribing a lot of spells for quite some time (while it is different from learning the scripts, i find it to be a related problem because if there was an easier way to learn all the scripts, while this is not an issue the ink still would be)

at least with the combination of ink being rare, and taking time to gather the necessary scripts for each character it kind of balances out in a way

ya thats probably the best way to go about it. Maybe in the future on the PTS, or using the scribing calculator thing i saw. But its nice to be able to try something on a class. The combination of a lack of ink and the massive time sink is truly frustrating.

At this point these are the type of things we'll have to do. Trying skills on your main, etc. It sucks though, since classes play differently, but thats where we're at. I hope if enough people voice their displeasure zos will change this absurd system and just let us buy them on alts, like the other scripts. And increase the drop rate of ink.

It just really kills my enjoyment of the game when they do stuff like this. Why make the ink drop rate so low? Ive heard 0.1% 0.2% and 0.5%. Its like, why? Although, 0.5% is still better than a radiant apex mount >_< but its like, why do this? Let people be creative. Let people have fun. Let people try stuff out. Where is the harm in people having a good amount of ink to change skills? Im not saying make it 50%, but how about 5% or 10%. It doesnt need to feel almost as rare as aetherial dust.

Becuase, as it stands, ive gotten more aetherial dust in eso than i have ink. We'll see when that changes but considering ive yet to even get one ink, im not sure when that will be.

once you have everything learned on one character you can use them as a template to at least look at what the possible skill combo can create, then you know which scripts you need to learn on other toons (the grimoires thankfully are mostly a gimme because they are offered from the scholarium merchant all the time)

ink drops from resource nodes from what ive seen is roughly 0.6% (someone got that % by number of ink from 1000 nodes), which is about 3.5x rarer than nirncrux (the same poster had almost 2.25% chance of nirncrux out of 1000 nodes)

i completely agree with you overall that the scribing system is horrifically bottlenecked right now, by several different things that kind of go hand in hand (access to scripts and access to ink)

i know a lot of this is because its new and we want to play with it, in a year or so when we have all the scripts learned and have most of the skills we want to use at the time, ink wont seem like much of a problem as it is right now

i did scribing quests on day 1 of release and to date i have not gotten a single ink drop (from either nodes or enemies), ive not gotten a ton of scripts either but thats mostly because i havent been focusing on dailies, more on new zone content

i know a lot of this is because its new and we want to play with it, in a year or so when we have all the scripts learned and have most of the skills we want to use at the time, ink wont seem like much of a problem as it is right now

Ya i mean thats true in some ways but it all comes down to how you play the game. I pvp, if i pve its harder content. I like making builds, i like testing things in pvp. So ya you're right, in a year or hell even in a few months it wont be that bad. However, its still unneccsary and it will take a ton of time to get there. And if they add more in the future it will be the same issue.

Some people wont mind, they will take their time. Some people dont even have alts. But for me, i would like to get through the grind to actually do what i want. Which is mainly pvp, and some pve. And at the same time ill be completing the zone, doing the achievements, getting the skill styles, antiquties, etc. Its just one of those things where your time is valuable and i dont like it wasted on nonsense. Ill wase it for something i deem to be a good reaosn, or have meaning, but this is the opposite.

i did scribing quests on day 1 of release and to date i have not gotten a single ink drop (from either nodes or enemies), ive not gotten a ton of scripts either but thats mostly because i havent been focusing on dailies, more on new zone content

Ya same here. Idk, you would think with drop rates like that we would have seen some already. It deff needs to be buffed.

Necrotech_Master · June 5

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majulook wrote: »

It originally sounded to me like once you got it the things a on one character. You could take Alts though the Scribing intro quest, then get everything via merchants.

For me my Alts fits specific functions. Example: I have a Healer / Dps for Dungeons, and another Healer / Dps just for Cyrodiil PVP . I only want a couple of things for those character if I can get those couple of things in a hour or two i am good. But it appears that is not the case.

Yes, exactly. This is what i thought as well, and this would be reasonable. This is such a massive L. I actually like the update, i like scribing, i like westweald, but this has just put me off from playing tbh. I play every class. I have 7 characters. Sure i could go through the game on each one over the course of the next month or two, one by one, doing dailies and whatever other nonsense, but its just such a massive waste of time.

There is just no reason for this. Its already enough of a chore on 1 character. A chore that i am happy to do. I dont mind going through old content, doing dallies i dont normally do, its all fine. The issue is making me do it 7 times over. And some people have more characters than that. Its just so silly, and there is no reason for it.

yeah its not great, my biggest bottleneck that i can see is just the rarity of ink to actually make anything, i have all of the grimoires learned on my main but i cant even craft the skills at least once to finish achievements because well, no ink lol

my current gameplan with this is to learn everything on my main both for achievements, and to relieve the costs on other toons

for the scripts, when i get the mages guild ones, i will bank enough for alt toons, so that will be approx 10 copies of each of those (i have 11 characters in total, ill bank 10x copies and then learn it on my main)

since ink is such a major bottleneck right now im not at all worried about how long it will take my alts to even learn the scripts

I mean ya i get that, thats a good plan, but it still wont change the fact that eventually, on however many alts, you'll end up having to do the same menial tasks, like dallies, over and over. And ya the ink bottleneck sucks as well, but like i said thats another issue. Im sure plenty of people are already complaining about that nightmare. But personally i find this issue is the most important thing to me at the moment.

yeah theres a lot of replayability problems for the entire system lol

working with what we got right now though, i figure if i learn everything on my main, i can experiment with the skills see what options are available, see what feels right, and then on my alts i can try to get specific scripts first to fit the skills i wanted for them

since ink is also a problem, i dont see myself even scribing a lot of spells for quite some time (while it is different from learning the scripts, i find it to be a related problem because if there was an easier way to learn all the scripts, while this is not an issue the ink still would be)

at least with the combination of ink being rare, and taking time to gather the necessary scripts for each character it kind of balances out in a way

ya thats probably the best way to go about it. Maybe in the future on the PTS, or using the scribing calculator thing i saw. But its nice to be able to try something on a class. The combination of a lack of ink and the massive time sink is truly frustrating.

At this point these are the type of things we'll have to do. Trying skills on your main, etc. It sucks though, since classes play differently, but thats where we're at. I hope if enough people voice their displeasure zos will change this absurd system and just let us buy them on alts, like the other scripts. And increase the drop rate of ink.

It just really kills my enjoyment of the game when they do stuff like this. Why make the ink drop rate so low? Ive heard 0.1% 0.2% and 0.5%. Its like, why? Although, 0.5% is still better than a radiant apex mount >_< but its like, why do this? Let people be creative. Let people have fun. Let people try stuff out. Where is the harm in people having a good amount of ink to change skills? Im not saying make it 50%, but how about 5% or 10%. It doesnt need to feel almost as rare as aetherial dust.

Becuase, as it stands, ive gotten more aetherial dust in eso than i have ink. We'll see when that changes but considering ive yet to even get one ink, im not sure when that will be.

once you have everything learned on one character you can use them as a template to at least look at what the possible skill combo can create, then you know which scripts you need to learn on other toons (the grimoires thankfully are mostly a gimme because they are offered from the scholarium merchant all the time)

ink drops from resource nodes from what ive seen is roughly 0.6% (someone got that % by number of ink from 1000 nodes), which is about 3.5x rarer than nirncrux (the same poster had almost 2.25% chance of nirncrux out of 1000 nodes)

i completely agree with you overall that the scribing system is horrifically bottlenecked right now, by several different things that kind of go hand in hand (access to scripts and access to ink)

i know a lot of this is because its new and we want to play with it, in a year or so when we have all the scripts learned and have most of the skills we want to use at the time, ink wont seem like much of a problem as it is right now

i did scribing quests on day 1 of release and to date i have not gotten a single ink drop (from either nodes or enemies), ive not gotten a ton of scripts either but thats mostly because i havent been focusing on dailies, more on new zone content

i know a lot of this is because its new and we want to play with it, in a year or so when we have all the scripts learned and have most of the skills we want to use at the time, ink wont seem like much of a problem as it is right now

Ya i mean thats true in some ways but it all comes down to how you play the game. I pvp, if i pve its harder content. I like making builds, i like testing things in pvp. So ya you're right, in a year or hell even in a few months it wont be that bad. However, its still unneccsary and it will take a ton of time to get there. And if they add more in the future it will be the same issue.

Some people wont mind, they will take their time. Some people dont even have alts. But for me, i would like to get through the grind to actually do what i want. Which is mainly pvp, and some pve. And at the same time ill be completing the zone, doing the achievements, getting the skill styles, antiquties, etc. Its just one of those things where your time is valuable and i dont like it wasted on nonsense. Ill wase it for something i deem to be a good reaosn, or have meaning, but this is the opposite.

i did scribing quests on day 1 of release and to date i have not gotten a single ink drop (from either nodes or enemies), ive not gotten a ton of scripts either but thats mostly because i havent been focusing on dailies, more on new zone content

Ya same here. Idk, you would think with drop rates like that we would have seen some already. It deff needs to be buffed.

yeah, i completely understand, i think honestly if the ink drops were significantly better, the script grind wouldnt be as much of a problem, as soon as the ones you want become available on the stores you can buy them

i believe they also added a small chance that unbound scripts can drop for anyone (even those who dont have scribing) but that will likely be more expensive to buy it from guild store than buy it from the npc vendors

at least the scripts given from daily quests are curated, and theres several different types that guarantee 1 script per day per acct

i get it, i completely see where your coming from, sadly this is not one of those "quick to get into systems" like antiquities lol

EdjeSwift · June 6

Went to check the vendor the the Scripts on an alt and I was pleasantly surprised by the costs.

Lags · June 6

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Went to check the vendor the the Scripts on an alt and I was pleasantly surprised by the costs.

sure ya i mean thats deff a good thing. The problem is when i went to check the vendor on an alt i was unpleasantly shocked by the fact that all the scripts i got on my main were not there. But ya the gold discount is nice for the very few you can buy. I dont think the archival fortune ones are cheap enough though. They should be like 3k to start, then like 250 for alts. Idk maybe im doing IA wrong but unless you live in there idk where people get all the fortunes from .

Uvi_AUT · June 6

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Nobody here is paying $40 to redo the same old overworld PvE content. It just gets in the way of enjoying what we paid $40 for. There's no merit to prove, no service provided, no product made, there is no earning going on, just a waste of time doing chores for robots instead of PvPing with your friends or moving along PvE dungeon queues.

Wrong. The simple fact that ESO always uses all their Zones for new content is the main reason I play this game. I hate it when an MMO invalidated all their environment every DLC, like WOW does.

Lags · June 6

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Nobody here is paying $40 to redo the same old overworld PvE content. It just gets in the way of enjoying what we paid $40 for. There's no merit to prove, no service provided, no product made, there is no earning going on, just a waste of time doing chores for robots instead of PvPing with your friends or moving along PvE dungeon queues.

Wrong. The simple fact that ESO always uses all their Zones for new content is the main reason I play this game. I hate it when an MMO invalidated all their environment every DLC, like WOW does.

is using old zones for new content the same thing as what the above person said? Redoing the same overworld pve content? No, its not. Its fine to use old zones for new content. Psijic, antiquities, etc. What is not fine is expecting people to be happy about going to farm old daily quests that we farmed 5 years ago, hundreds of times, to be able to utilize the system we paid 40 dollars to get. There is a massive difference.

Sarannah · June 6

For alts: When you compare scribing to excavation/scrying, it would be as if leads and mythics were per-character. Which would be horrible, as what makes leads/mythics work so well is that they are easily accessible on other characters. Making it a usable system.

Which is the same that should happen to scripts, being accountwide. Making the new system usable. (make completing the scholarium and gathering ink the gatekeeping mechanics for scribing. Like leveling the excavation/scrying skilllines is the gatekeeping to excavating.)

I play all my characters, so how do I make the choice of which one I should collect all scripts with? Should it be my PvP character, so that I can more easily get the PvP scripts? Should it be my infinite archive character, as scribing 'may' be useful to him? Should it be on any of my 20 tanks? Should it be the character I am currently questing through the main alliances with? And what happens if I want to play another character on a whim, the entire scribing system would be unusable to them as that character only has the tutorial scripts?

Can't do them all as it would be an insane grind(not even mentioning the accountwide cooldown on script drops), and this is why the scribing system isn't really usable right now. Can't know in advance what scripts are beneficial on what character either.

PS: Not going to use loads of gold/archival fortunes on something I do not know if it is even going to be beneficial on that character. Especially not going to buy everything times twenty to find out, that's for sure!
PPS: I love grinding and can play all day every day, but I still think this grind is insane.

ake · June 6

scripts, accountwide do it!

As much as the effort is appreciated after having done it 8 times, even the introductory quest seems stupid and pointless. If I think that I have 12 more characters left it makes me want to do something else.

xylena_lazarow · June 6

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

Wrong. The simple fact that ESO always uses all their Zones for new content is the main reason I play this game. I hate it when an MMO invalidated all their environment every DLC, like WOW does.

Nothing stopping you from replaying base game delves to your heart's content.

But your precious delves are stopping me from accessing what I paid $40 for. Perhaps you should need to complete the Emperor! achievement in PvP before you are allowed into another delve.

jcaceresw · June 6

I already have completed the whole Scribing main quest on six characters. Going to do it on my last toon. After that it will be a long grind getting the scripts on all my seven toons. Yeah, they should be account wide or have their prices a lot lowered. Worse, the cost in IA are outrageous for each of them.

jcaceresw · June 6

Also, the 25% probability after a guaranteed is account wide, so trying to farm them will take several weeks for each character you want to unlock such feature, considering in the future they will add new scripts and the grind repeats again.

Lags · June 6

jcaceresw wrote: »

Also, the 25% probability after a guaranteed is account wide, so trying to farm them will take several weeks for each character you want to unlock such feature, considering in the future they will add new scripts and the grind repeats again.

that was another massive slap in the face. Its so unreal how little zenimax values our time. Like its bad enough that its not account wide, but we cant even grind it as fast as we want to. We have to hope we get the drops from dailies. This is so stupid, it should be the first one you per character, not account. I mean they want to have it both ways, it is account wide but its not account wide.