Leveling Sharp-as-Night Rapport

BretonMage

I think Kevin's post referred to above should be definitive unless there has been a more recent update. From my own (anecdotal) experience, fishing with Sharp, but without slotting the relevant CP perks, does noticeably increase chances of catching rare fish.

DenverRalphy

Nerouyn wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Nope. Always been that way. Sharp and Reel Techniques are for speed. Arteum Pickled Fish Bowl and Angler's Instinct for Rarity.

The wiki says otherwise.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Sharp-as-Night

Sharp's Patience: Fish bite at an increased rate and have a higher chance of being trophy fish. Note that this does not reduce your chance to hook special items.

Can't vouch for it myself, because I've really only started since having him and knew he gained rep and boosted it so have almost fished without him.

I can only vouch for Arteum Pickled Fish Bowl. Tried getting the Necrom fishing achievements without it (but with Sharp + Angler's Instinct) but no super rare lurker one. Because I didn't know the recipe myself. Buying and eating the food got me it within half an hour, and also the APFB recipe very quickly when I tried for that.

Huh, guess I was mistaken and I stand corrected. Can't say that I've ever seen a bonus to rarity with Sharp's perk. I fish with it all the time to harvest Perfect Roe. Sharp's perk stacked wiith Reel Techniques and I rarely see rare fish, just the regular fish that I need to fillet.

spartaxoxo

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Nope. Always been that way. Sharp and Reel Techniques are for speed. Arteum Pickled Fish Bowl and Angler's Instinct for Rarity.

The wiki says otherwise.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Sharp-as-Night

Sharp's Patience: Fish bite at an increased rate and have a higher chance of being trophy fish. Note that this does not reduce your chance to hook special items.

Can't vouch for it myself, because I've really only started since having him and knew he gained rep and boosted it so have almost fished without him.

I can only vouch for Arteum Pickled Fish Bowl. Tried getting the Necrom fishing achievements without it (but with Sharp + Angler's Instinct) but no super rare lurker one. Because I didn't know the recipe myself. Buying and eating the food got me it within half an hour, and also the APFB recipe very quickly when I tried for that.

Huh, guess I was mistaken and I stand corrected. Can't say that I've ever seen a bonus to rarity with Sharp's perk. I fish with it all the time to harvest Perfect Roe. Sharp's perk stacked wiith Reel Techniques and I rarely see rare fish, just the regular fish that I need to fillet.

Sharp doesn't have an impact on regular fish per day, so you should still see those as the vast majority of your fish. It specifically decreases bait like the regular (not perfect fish) roe or minnows.

FlopsyPrince

Hapexamendios wrote: »

If you think the hunting quest quarry is the same level as a world boss, you haven't done it.

I noted both. One is a WB, one is a hunt those nasty things (3 of them) in the open world.

FlopsyPrince

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Trejgon wrote: »

On a side note, both Ashlander daily types count for this 125, but only one per day (so if you do relic preservation instead it will proc sharp's rapport gain as well, but doing both only give the rapport once)

This. I found the most efficient way was to complete the objectives for both but only turn one in, then the next day you can turn in the other immediately and pick up replacement dailies. It lets you be more efficient with your time if you don’t have a consistent amount of play time during the week, because effectively you only have to go questing every other day, but you can go every day if you have the time.

I thought I didn't get any Sharp boost when I did the easier daily in Telvanni.

Johngo0036

Why are companions not unlocked to all characters.. it gets boring doing the stupid quests to unlock them on all my characters... please Zenni for the love of Talos, just make them account wide and not character wide...

FlopsyPrince

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Why are companions not unlocked to all characters.. it gets boring doing the stupid quests to unlock them on all my characters... please Zenni for the love of Talos, just make them account wide and not character wide...

I made a thread on this a while back. Many argued that it was very short to unlock them so we should enjoy unlocking them on each character.

I fully agree it is a pain for me. I only have Azandar and Sharp unlocked on a few characters now because of this. Those are painful time slogs.

merevie

I dragged him through IA for a few days and next minute he was a bestie and level 20.

Blood_again

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Any easy way to do this? Both 125 points gains are incredibly hard. Worldbosses of hunting the equivalent of world bosses (that can lock me from action until I am dead.

Azandar is almost too trivial comparatively, especially if you do daily enchanting writs.

EDIT: I meant leveling Rapport. Leveling the companion is just the normal slog.

Was this thought through?

The mob for ashlanders' hunt is as hard as non-dlc public dungeon boss.
It is a bit easier than any public dungeon boss from Vvardenfell PDs. It is way way easier than any world boss I knew.

If it is hard, try companion geared heavy + s&b with taunt and healing spells. Companion will play tank and healer for you. Even white gear should be enough.
If it is still too hard, well, you can try it with a friend...

FlopsyPrince

Blood_again wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Any easy way to do this? Both 125 points gains are incredibly hard. Worldbosses of hunting the equivalent of world bosses (that can lock me from action until I am dead.

Azandar is almost too trivial comparatively, especially if you do daily enchanting writs.

EDIT: I meant leveling Rapport. Leveling the companion is just the normal slog.

Was this thought through?

The mob for ashlanders' hunt is as hard as non-dlc public dungeon boss.
It is a bit easier than any public dungeon boss from Vvardenfell PDs. It is way way easier than any world boss I knew.

If it is hard, try companion geared heavy + s&b with taunt and healing spells. Companion will play tank and healer for you. Even white gear should be enough.
If it is still too hard, well, you can try it with a friend...

Sorry but I can kill many/most public domain bosses now. I have been nuked by that stupid attack that freezes me until I die if I try to attack these targets. Much harder.

It seems as bad as a Harrowstorm or other "hard" content like that.

spartaxoxo

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Any easy way to do this? Both 125 points gains are incredibly hard. Worldbosses of hunting the equivalent of world bosses (that can lock me from action until I am dead.

Azandar is almost too trivial comparatively, especially if you do daily enchanting writs.

EDIT: I meant leveling Rapport. Leveling the companion is just the normal slog.

Was this thought through?

The mob for ashlanders' hunt is as hard as non-dlc public dungeon boss.
It is a bit easier than any public dungeon boss from Vvardenfell PDs. It is way way easier than any world boss I knew.

If it is hard, try companion geared heavy + s&b with taunt and healing spells. Companion will play tank and healer for you. Even white gear should be enough.
If it is still too hard, well, you can try it with a friend...

Sorry but I can kill many/most public domain bosses now. I have been nuked by that stupid attack that freezes me until I die if I try to attack these targets. Much harder.

It seems as bad as a Harrowstorm or other "hard" content like that.

I really don't think you are attacking the right boss. The only world boss is that does this is not an Ashlander boss. Also it's not 3 of them. It's 1. The Hunger boss for the Hall of Justice does ask you hunt down the hunger and gather 3 relics though....

FlopsyPrince

merevie wrote: »

I dragged him through IA for a few days and next minute he was a bestie and level 20.

I despise IA, but tolerate it for some Endeavors. Does he really gain there? I must have missed that if so. I will try to have him out (even though I prefer one of my tank companions) when I have to run there.

I did some rare fishing yesterday and it was still quite slow with few points gained in rapport to show for it.

spartaxoxo

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

merevie wrote: »

I dragged him through IA for a few days and next minute he was a bestie and level 20.

I despise IA, but tolerate it for some Endeavors. Does he really gain there? I must have missed that if so. I will try to have him out (even though I prefer one of my tank companions) when I have to run there.

I did some rare fishing yesterday and it was still quite slow with few points gained in rapport to show for it.

Sharp as Night does not gain rapport for IA. That is a recommendation for skill level not rapport.

FlopsyPrince

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Any easy way to do this? Both 125 points gains are incredibly hard. Worldbosses of hunting the equivalent of world bosses (that can lock me from action until I am dead.

Azandar is almost too trivial comparatively, especially if you do daily enchanting writs.

EDIT: I meant leveling Rapport. Leveling the companion is just the normal slog.

Was this thought through?

The mob for ashlanders' hunt is as hard as non-dlc public dungeon boss.
It is a bit easier than any public dungeon boss from Vvardenfell PDs. It is way way easier than any world boss I knew.

If it is hard, try companion geared heavy + s&b with taunt and healing spells. Companion will play tank and healer for you. Even white gear should be enough.
If it is still too hard, well, you can try it with a friend...

Sorry but I can kill many/most public domain bosses now. I have been nuked by that stupid attack that freezes me until I die if I try to attack these targets. Much harder.

It seems as bad as a Harrowstorm or other "hard" content like that.

I really don't think you are attacking the right boss. The only world boss is that does this is not an Ashlander boss. Also it's not 3 of them. It's 1.

Ah, my error in communication. I haven't even tried to solo the bosses in the new areas. I just assumed they would be as bad as the nasty one in Sothern Elsweyr which I definitely cannot solo and the others in Blackwood and forward I gave up on trying to solo. I am not the top player and never will be. Though as I noted I can handle most Public Dungeon bosses now, at least with my Pet Sorc main. (The one you get when obtaining Azandar is much more of a pain with my other toons that can't burst as much.)

FlopsyPrince

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

merevie wrote: »

I dragged him through IA for a few days and next minute he was a bestie and level 20.

I despise IA, but tolerate it for some Endeavors. Does he really gain there? I must have missed that if so. I will try to have him out (even though I prefer one of my tank companions) when I have to run there.

I did some rare fishing yesterday and it was still quite slow with few points gained in rapport to show for it.

Sharp as Night does not gain rapport for IA. That is a recommendation for skill level not rapport.

Good to know, but I was hoping it would help with Rapport.

I am maxed on all but Bastian and Sharp on my PC-NA account, so Sharp is next. I will push Bastian once I get the skill lines of Azandar and Sharp maxed (fighters/magic/undaunted).

MasterSpatula

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Any easy way to do this? Both 125 points gains are incredibly hard. Worldbosses of hunting the equivalent of world bosses (that can lock me from action until I am dead.

Wait, are you legit trying to claim that Ashlander hunt quest bosses are as hard as World Bosses?

Look, I think (4 out of 6) Necrom WBs are preposterously overtuned, with mechanics better suited to organized groups with coms than they are to pugs. I farmed the hell out of these bosses a year ago when there were massive groups there, they weren't fun then, and they're awful now. If I were trying to level Sharp's rapport right now and had to rely on these quests, I can see how it might be miserable.

But you don't have to rely on those quests. The Ashlander hunt quests are quick and trivial. And beyond that, fishing is probably the fastest way to level Sharp's rapport. There's no cooldown on the bonus for trophy fish, so if you have the fishing CP perks, his rapport just zooms up.

ShadowPaladin

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Any easy way to do this? Both 125 points gains are incredibly hard. Worldbosses of hunting the equivalent of world bosses (that can lock me from action until I am dead.

Azandar is almost too trivial comparatively, especially if you do daily enchanting writs.

EDIT: I meant leveling Rapport. Leveling the companion is just the normal slog.

Was this thought through?

All possible options have already been mentioned.

But! If you can't do the two actions which will give 125 rapport, you will take forever to level his rapport to at least 4,000 (the missing 1,500 to the max of 5,500 can be done by doing his 3 companion quests, which each will give 500 rapport).

Also, all of the things mentioned here do have a cooldown before they will give rapport points again. For example fishing has a CD of 10min, before you will get +1 again. Visiting a Hist Tree also got a 10 min CD, before you will get +10 again.

Therefore I strongly recommend to you, to find a way which will enable you to do both of those two actions - WB daily quest in Necrom and completing one of the two Ashlander daily quests in Vvardenfell. Doing those two once per day will give you 250 rapport points (2x 125). If you are only doing those two things you will be at 4,000 after 13 days .

Blood_again

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Sorry but I can kill many/most public domain bosses now. I have been nuked by that stupid attack that freezes me until I die if I try to attack these targets. Much harder.

It seems as bad as a Harrowstorm or other "hard" content like that.

I'm not sure that we talk about the same mobs.
This is the collection of all seven versions of the Ashlanders' hunt quest available. Thanks to the Innoxious who has made this video. (contains spoiler)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sw0zo6fv5Y

Is it the quest you found hard? Which mob of the seven kills you?

spartaxoxo

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Any easy way to do this? Both 125 points gains are incredibly hard. Worldbosses of hunting the equivalent of world bosses (that can lock me from action until I am dead.

Azandar is almost too trivial comparatively, especially if you do daily enchanting writs.

EDIT: I meant leveling Rapport. Leveling the companion is just the normal slog.

Was this thought through?

The mob for ashlanders' hunt is as hard as non-dlc public dungeon boss.
It is a bit easier than any public dungeon boss from Vvardenfell PDs. It is way way easier than any world boss I knew.

If it is hard, try companion geared heavy + s&b with taunt and healing spells. Companion will play tank and healer for you. Even white gear should be enough.
If it is still too hard, well, you can try it with a friend...

Sorry but I can kill many/most public domain bosses now. I have been nuked by that stupid attack that freezes me until I die if I try to attack these targets. Much harder.

It seems as bad as a Harrowstorm or other "hard" content like that.

I really don't think you are attacking the right boss. The only world boss is that does this is not an Ashlander boss. Also it's not 3 of them. It's 1.

Ah, my error in communication. I haven't even tried to solo the bosses in the new areas. I just assumed they would be as bad as the nasty one in Sothern Elsweyr which I definitely cannot solo and the others in Blackwood and forward I gave up on trying to solo. I am not the top player and never will be. Though as I noted I can handle most Public Dungeon bosses now, at least with my Pet Sorc main. (The one you get when obtaining Azandar is much more of a pain with my other toons that can't burst as much.)

Ashlander dailies aren't in the new areas. There are two sets of dailies in Vvardenfell. Hall of Justice and Ashlander. The Ashlander dailies have bosses that are like public dungeon bosses. Hall of Justice sends you kill the hunger world boss and gather 3 relics. The Hunger world boss will stun and you cannot break free. Someone else has to bash the boss. You can also rewind time using the Psijic order ult. But break free will not work. This boss does NOT level Sharp's rapport.

I really think you are doing the wrong quest in Vvardenfell because you keep mentioning being stun locked and the fight being world boss level.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Trejgon wrote: »

On a side note, both Ashlander daily types count for this 125, but only one per day (so if you do relic preservation instead it will proc sharp's rapport gain as well, but doing both only give the rapport once)

This. I found the most efficient way was to complete the objectives for both but only turn one in, then the next day you can turn in the other immediately and pick up replacement dailies. It lets you be more efficient with your time if you don’t have a consistent amount of play time during the week, because effectively you only have to go questing every other day, but you can go every day if you have the time.

I thought I didn't get any Sharp boost when I did the easier daily in Telvanni.

I was referring to the Vvardenfell Ashlander dailies, NOT the Necrom World Boss/Delve dailies. You are correct the Necrom Delve dailies won’t boost Sharp’s rapport, those are for Azandar. Both Vvardenfell Ashlander dailies will work for Sharp, however, it’s just that you can’t get a boost from the Hunt Master Ashlander daily AND the Collect Relics Ashlander daily on the same day.

FlopsyPrince

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Trejgon wrote: »

On a side note, both Ashlander daily types count for this 125, but only one per day (so if you do relic preservation instead it will proc sharp's rapport gain as well, but doing both only give the rapport once)

This. I found the most efficient way was to complete the objectives for both but only turn one in, then the next day you can turn in the other immediately and pick up replacement dailies. It lets you be more efficient with your time if you don’t have a consistent amount of play time during the week, because effectively you only have to go questing every other day, but you can go every day if you have the time.

I thought I didn't get any Sharp boost when I did the easier daily in Telvanni.

I was referring to the Vvardenfell Ashlander dailies, NOT the Necrom World Boss/Delve dailies. You are correct the Necrom Delve dailies won’t boost Sharp’s rapport, those are for Azandar. Both Vvardenfell Ashlander dailies will work for Sharp, however, it’s just that you can’t get a boost from the Hunt Master Ashlander daily AND the Collect Relics Ashlander daily on the same day.

I was going off my High Isle experience and I thought it was the dailies in Necrom. I never could finish the "hunt the wild thing 3 times" one so I never got surprised that it did not give credit.

I will have to unlock the second daily area in Vvardenfel. Those are much easier. I can kill the WBs in the Public Dungeons there, I just didn't realize that was his zone.

Clearly my error and I appreciate the correction in this case.

I do recall unlocking those dailies taking quite a bit of work though. As if unlocking Sharp wasn't enough of a pain, but that is a necessary hurdle now.

Zodiarkslayer

You guys do not need to fear to engage Necrom World bosses.
They are annoying, but not undoable. Three are soloable by a moderately experienced player.
The key is to have patience and not loose ones head.

The Valkynaz Dek is a straight up brawl with add waves. A comp Tank (like Sharp) in heavy armor can survive his attacks.
The Runemaster Xiomara is also simple, when you understand the mechanics. Destroy the crystals, when they come up and interrupt him whem he charges his channelled attack.
There is nothing special about Corlys the Chainmaker. Hit him hard, stay alive and watch the add waves.

Admittedly, VroKuulSha, the Nightmare and the Cataloguer are tough fights and one needs to be above average skill to solo them.

But that still leaves three out of six bosses to solo for daillies. It will shorten the rapport grind considerably.

Varana

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I will have to unlock the second daily area in Vvardenfel. Those are much easier. I can kill the WBs in the Public Dungeons there, I just didn't realize that was his zone.

Clearly my error and I appreciate the correction in this case.

I do recall unlocking those dailies taking quite a bit of work though. As if unlocking Sharp wasn't enough of a pain, but that is a necessary hurdle now.

spartaxoxo linked the two quests you have to do earlier:

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Yup. In Vvardenfell. Not the main city but Ald'ruhn. You have to do a couple of overland quests to unlock them.

First this one
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ancestral_Ties

And then this one

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ashlander_Relations

And they're nowhere near WB level. The huntmaster quest is minor public dungeon boss difficulty, the relics daily is even easier, basically just overland quests.

Joshuagm1991

I didn't find it difficult to level up his rapport. You've just gotta be patient. Even if you do 1 of those dailies per day it won't be terrible. Especially if you do angler for each zone. The +1 per trophy fish is nice not even mentioning the +1 per 5-10 minutes of fishing.

FlopsyPrince

Varana wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I will have to unlock the second daily area in Vvardenfel. Those are much easier. I can kill the WBs in the Public Dungeons there, I just didn't realize that was his zone.

Clearly my error and I appreciate the correction in this case.

I do recall unlocking those dailies taking quite a bit of work though. As if unlocking Sharp wasn't enough of a pain, but that is a necessary hurdle now.

spartaxoxo linked the two quests you have to do earlier:

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Yup. In Vvardenfell. Not the main city but Ald'ruhn. You have to do a couple of overland quests to unlock them.

First this one
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ancestral_Ties

And then this one

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ashlander_Relations

And they're nowhere near WB level. The huntmaster quest is minor public dungeon boss difficulty, the relics daily is even easier, basically just overland quests.

I started the first one yesterday on one server. It will get very repetitive, but I only really want to max him on my main on each server. I tend to run the others, but most have not maxed rep other than my main on PC-NA so far, except for Azandar who is fairly easy if I spend the slog to unlock him again on an alt and do daily crafting on that alt. (And remember to swap out for him since I also usually grab the single point for Mirri and Bastian (lorebooks) and the 5 points for Isobel (bs crafting). I am whacking myself for missing swapping to Azandar after Isobel, but that doesn't really matter much.