Allow proc sets in no-cp please

virtus753

Vrienda wrote: »

I think it'd be better if they just added a 'banned in no cp' tooltip to sets.

I agree with the idea, but the wording would have to be very clear for this.

Sets are not “banned,” nor does going into no-cp with them risk disciplinary action. Especially given what just happened with the PTS and the problematic nature of the “ban” messaging there, I wouldn’t want to see that word keep being used where it isn’t applicable.

It’s also usually not the case that the whole set is disabled. In no-cp certain proc lines do not work, but the static bonuses do even when the proc ones don’t. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th piece bonuses of 5-piece proc sets are still enabled, so marking the set as a whole is non-functional in no-cp would also be misleading. In order to be clear, it would either have to be a marker specifically on the bonuses that don’t work, or it would have to say something like “the last set bonus is disabled in no-CP” (in order to cover ability-altering weapons, where the proc may be the first or second bonus, as well as 5-piece sets).

xylena_lazarow

virtus753 wrote: »

It’s also usually not the case that the whole set is disabled. In no-cp certain proc lines do not work, but the static bonuses do even when the proc ones don’t. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th piece bonuses of 5-piece proc sets are still enabled, so marking the set as a whole is non-functional in no-cp would also be misleading. In order to be clear, it would either have to be a marker specifically on the bonuses that don’t work, or it would have to say something like “the last set bonus is disabled in no-CP” (in order to cover ability-altering weapons, where the proc may be the first or second bonus, as well as 5-piece sets).

Nevermind the massive disadvantage to anyone who isn't an S-tier magsorc or NB in a stat-only mode, this is 100% correct and clearly displays an entire additional dimension of confusion wrought by Ravenwatch's ruleset. In no world is this game mode more friendly to PvP noobs, especially if they are below 160cp (while the mode is non-CP, it does nothing to address the fact that sub-160 players are at a huge gear disadvantage no matter how many procs you delete).

Diamond_10

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The no-proc ruleset was explicitly stated to be added because of the positive reception to it back when it was just a test. It was added long after the creation of no-cp.

Then they should make a no-proc campaign and stop messing with us new players who want a real no-cp campaign with all the bells and whistles.

Its called NO CP not NO PROC

auracite

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StarOfElyon

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Whats the harm? We only play no-cp because of being fairly new to the game and dont want to get smashed by people with thousands of cp. The sets have absolutely no effect on it aside from causing Bethesda a lot of problems with whgich work which dont work etc.
Its all a shambles, just leave the sets alone and have it no-cp like the battlegrounds.
Also new players being put off by gearing for cyrodiil only to find that the sets they spend what gold they had on, dont work. Imagine that feeling. Its quit status to some.

Please don't. We need some kind of refuge from proc cheese.

Marronsuisse

I wish more people knew that the extra no-CP campaigns they spin up during Whitestrake's are proc enabled. Same as BGs.

They seem like the least popular campaigns and I've wondered if that's because people don't like that game mode or people don't realize procs are enabled.

katanagirl1

Marronsuisse wrote: »

I wish more people knew that the extra no-CP campaigns they spin up during Whitestrake's are proc enabled. Same as BGs.

They seem like the least popular campaigns and I've wondered if that's because people don't like that game mode or people don't realize procs are enabled.

I don’t know about everyone else, but during the event I want lots of AP, and you can’t get that in an empty campaign. You need to be on Gray Host. You need big, coordinated battles while playing the map. Even Blackreach is full of AP farmers who don’t care about the score and just farm players endlessly at resources. It’s going to be frustrating at best.

kurbbie_s

dinokstrunz wrote: »

A lot of people left noCP campaign. I'm willing to bet noCP will be a lot more popular with procs than without. NoCP population has disappeared over the years. Either quit, moved to more popular campaign or just primarily plays Battlegrounds.

we all quit because everyone is too tanky. No cp no proc is good, but the people who rely on them like you wont go into it because you need to feel safe.

divnyi

I would maybe consider visiting cyro instead of playing noCP BGs nonstop if it had procs.
And more importantly, I would visit Imperial City noCP with procs.

CP stars bring nothing good to PvP meta.
Noproc is just stupid.

divnyi

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Ball groups love noproc because they're unironically harder to kill there, the reason they don't stick around is because there's nobody to fight most of the time lol.

Can confirm. They can AoE cleanse oils and there is no Plaguebreak to stop them lmao, they can literally just ram under pressure like as if nothing is happening.

furiouslog

I'd rather have the CP and no proc than the other way around.

olsborg

First nerf proccsets, then maybe.

Desiato

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I don’t know about everyone else, but during the event I want lots of AP, and you can’t get that in an empty campaign. You need to be on Gray Host. You need big, coordinated battles while playing the map. Even Blackreach is full of AP farmers who don’t care about the score and just farm players endlessly at resources. It’s going to be frustrating at best.

There may be big battles on Grey Host, but that doesn't mean there's coordination.

IMO, almost everyone is chasing AP in Cyrodiil. It is less popular than people realize because so many PVE players go there for the end of campaign transmutes. They only care about AP and often die so easily because they are playing on alts they can't be bothered to properly develop for PVP.

On the broader subject, I think PVP in ESO is so broken, fixing it isn't as simple as disabling one or two things. Although disabling CP is undeniably a good place to start.

I don't play BGs enough to have a solid opinion, but when I do, I find proc sets are a detriment. Some would argue they are necessary to defeat defensive builds, but I think they are the reason players build so tanky in the first place.

Of course disabling procs doesn't solve the sorc problem, but only nerfing sorcs will solve that.

I think Ravenwatch should stay no proc, but with less ambiguity. It needs to be absolutely clear when something doesn't work there.

xylena_lazarow

Ravenwatch is a failed experiment. Roll that and the failed u50 together into something people actually play.

katanagirl1

Desiato wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I don’t know about everyone else, but during the event I want lots of AP, and you can’t get that in an empty campaign. You need to be on Gray Host. You need big, coordinated battles while playing the map. Even Blackreach is full of AP farmers who don’t care about the score and just farm players endlessly at resources. It’s going to be frustrating at best.

There may be big battles on Grey Host, but that doesn't mean there's coordination.

IMO, almost everyone is chasing AP in Cyrodiil. It is less popular than people realize because so many PVE players go there for the end of campaign transmutes. They only care about AP and often die so easily because they are playing on alts they can't be bothered to properly develop for PVP.

On the broader subject, I think PVP in ESO is so broken, fixing it isn't as simple as disabling one or two things. Although disabling CP is undeniably a good place to start.

I don't play BGs enough to have a solid opinion, but when I do, I find proc sets are a detriment. Some would argue they are necessary to defeat defensive builds, but I think they are the reason players build so tanky in the first place.

Of course disabling procs doesn't solve the sorc problem, but only nerfing sorcs will solve that.

I think Ravenwatch should stay no proc, but with less ambiguity. It needs to be absolutely clear when something doesn't work there.

There is often little coordination in GH, but sometimes people are so bored they will show up when something flags.

Everyone keeps talking about a sorc problem. I can count on one hand the number of good sorcs I have seen in Cyrodiil. I play a sorc but as a negate with siege shield and revealing flare I don’t have a lot of damage.