Since the pts and NA where somehow synched you could create a template character on the pts and then access that character on NA to transfer the gold somewhere else, but I don't know if anybody actually did thatLucyferLightbringer wrote: »What is this laundering and economy impact i am hearing about? Was there some weird way to transfer money from PTS to PC NA or something?
DerAlleinTiger wrote: »I don't think all of you understand that if this wasn't a blanket all-who-logged-onto-pts gets-rolledback that you would be locked out for months while zos goes over your account data and determines if you abused it in any way.
They're not checking your data, they're rolling back your account and moving onto the next one. Be lucky this is the solution they chose, I know it sucks, I know y'all want to scream and should and be angry but the amount of work required to go situation by situation would be astronomical. Do you want to miss 2 or 3 days, or pretend eso is your job and demand they put your pens back exactly where you had them.
I'm very much going to be agitated at losing out on things like endeavor seals and log-in credits when I've very diligently acquired all of them to date, and unique event rewards that cannot be replaced, and will very much demand they find a way to compensate that. It wasn't a matter of me finding an exploit and knowingly using it to do anything. It wasn't me willfully attempting some underhanded move that breaks TOS. It was logging into the PTS for two minutes to look at a house.
Even beyond all of that and theoretical rewards I could (would) have picked up in the coming days, what about the gold I got from trader sales throughout the day? That was a significant amount of gold. How does that work when it's player-to-player transactions? What happens if I'm rolled back but the person who bought my stuff and paid me isn't? Will I still have that gold or at least have it waiting in my mail? Will I instead have a duplicate of the items for sale? There are some justifiably concerning inquiries to be made even beyond missed opportunities simply due to the nature of targeted rollbacks over a full server rollback.
LucyferLightbringer wrote: »What is this laundering and economy impact i am hearing about? Was there some weird way to transfer money from PTS to PC NA or something?
wolfie1.0. wrote: »RadagastThePink wrote: »I’m sure we can raise a ticket after to request the tickets or seals. I’ve always had very good experience with Zos customer support.
@ZOS_Kevin , I’m sure you all have a lot going on but should folks contact customer service after the investigations are completed?
We'll have more info after we work through the next few steps to resolve this on our side. If you want to send a ticket to Customer Service, you can. Just know they will likely tell you the same thing published in our last update. You can also keep a note for now of what you would send to Customer Service. We'll follow up with next steps as soon as we can.
In my opinion, it would have been better to do a general rollback than this route. 2-3 days targeting your most active and devoted community members is not good PR. I hope you have plans to make those that didn't exploit whole from this.
even if the entire server lost a day of event and grinding, an event extension would have been better and easier. Just my feedback and two cents here. A lot of the players that try out the PTS are just going to be more reluctant to use it moving forward. Not that this will happen again, but precedent is a powerful tool.
just my feedback nothing more.
DerAlleinTiger wrote: »I don't think all of you understand that if this wasn't a blanket all-who-logged-onto-pts gets-rolledback that you would be locked out for months while zos goes over your account data and determines if you abused it in any way.
They're not checking your data, they're rolling back your account and moving onto the next one. Be lucky this is the solution they chose, I know it sucks, I know y'all want to scream and should and be angry but the amount of work required to go situation by situation would be astronomical. Do you want to miss 2 or 3 days, or pretend eso is your job and demand they put your pens back exactly where you had them.
I'm very much going to be agitated at losing out on things like endeavor seals and log-in credits when I've very diligently acquired all of them to date, and unique event rewards that cannot be replaced, and will very much demand they find a way to compensate that. It wasn't a matter of me finding an exploit and knowingly using it to do anything. It wasn't me willfully attempting some underhanded move that breaks TOS. It was logging into the PTS for two minutes to look at a house.
Even beyond all of that and theoretical rewards I could (would) have picked up in the coming days, what about the gold I got from trader sales throughout the day? That was a significant amount of gold. How does that work when it's player-to-player transactions? What happens if I'm rolled back but the person who bought my stuff and paid me isn't? Will I still have that gold or at least have it waiting in my mail? Will I instead have a duplicate of the items for sale? There are some justifiably concerning inquiries to be made even beyond missed opportunities simply due to the nature of targeted rollbacks over a full server rollback.
Yes it's unfair and I'm sorry you miss out on a few days of rewards but this is a company, they're not omniscient they have no way of knowing what you were doing on the pts unless they open up your data.
And then if they open your data they're opening everyone's and scrutinizing everything they did for 2hour of gametime... and I think you see where the problem is. Again you be rolled back and wait 2 days, or be locked out for months while zos has everyone going account by account looking at all of their play data for 2 hours.
FabresFour wrote: »And it's always important to remember. This Monday, we had a daily endeavor equivalent to 200 seals.
200 seals is what we get in 1 week of logging in.
So these are not "just some days missed", we lost the equivalent of a week, in a single day, due to an error on the part of the company that we are paying for as consumers.
Sorry, but this is revolting.
FabresFour wrote: »And it's always important to remember. This Monday, we had a daily endeavor equivalent to 200 seals.
200 seals is what we get in 1 week of logging in.
So these are not "just some days missed", we lost the equivalent of a week, in a single day, due to an error on the part of the company that we are paying for as consumers.
Sorry, but this is revolting.
wolfie1.0. wrote: »RadagastThePink wrote: »I’m sure we can raise a ticket after to request the tickets or seals. I’ve always had very good experience with Zos customer support.
@ZOS_Kevin , I’m sure you all have a lot going on but should folks contact customer service after the investigations are completed?
We'll have more info after we work through the next few steps to resolve this on our side. If you want to send a ticket to Customer Service, you can. Just know they will likely tell you the same thing published in our last update. You can also keep a note for now of what you would send to Customer Service. We'll follow up with next steps as soon as we can.
In my opinion, it would have been better to do a general rollback than this route. 2-3 days targeting your most active and devoted community members is not good PR. I hope you have plans to make those that didn't exploit whole from this.
even if the entire server lost a day of event and grinding, an event extension would have been better and easier. Just my feedback and two cents here. A lot of the players that try out the PTS are just going to be more reluctant to use it moving forward. Not that this will happen again, but precedent is a powerful tool.
just my feedback nothing more.
All of this.
For now I don't want to assume anything. They have a lot to fix; the comms sent may be imperfect and incomplete.
But I'll echo: a ton of the people who logged into PTS first thing today are bound to be among the most loyal, active players:
I pre-ordered Gold Road, have the 10-year award on my forum account, the Imgakin monkey and haven't done anything nefarious in that time. Many of us put a lot of our time and creativity into our ESO creations and communities. Beyond our own missed rewards, many are also members of guilds that depend on us and our sales, during one of the most expensive times of the year for trader bids.
There were definitely a lot of us, now locked out, that share these traits. I can't imagine snubbing core members; it'd be yet another mess.
DerAlleinTiger wrote: »FabresFour wrote: »And it's always important to remember. This Monday, we had a daily endeavor equivalent to 200 seals.
200 seals is what we get in 1 week of logging in.
So these are not "just some days missed", we lost the equivalent of a week, in a single day, due to an error on the part of the company that we are paying for as consumers.
Sorry, but this is revolting.
Exactly. It would be one thing if it was a normal day, 10 here, 10 there. Annoying, frustrating in principle, but not nearly as bad of a sting. It's that we had a surprise 200 seals for a *daily.* As you said, it's the equivalent of a weekly. Poof, gone. I've also heard that apparently they're doing a similar thing for this next day where there's a 100 seal challenge for doing something with the Dark Brotherhood. Love missing out on that one too.
tom6143346 wrote: »I learned my lesson and deleted pts . I’m on the lucky side , tried to log into pts after they took it down. Fell sad for all that don’t that lucky
Seraphayel wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »RadagastThePink wrote: »I’m sure we can raise a ticket after to request the tickets or seals. I’ve always had very good experience with Zos customer support.
@ZOS_Kevin , I’m sure you all have a lot going on but should folks contact customer service after the investigations are completed?
We'll have more info after we work through the next few steps to resolve this on our side. If you want to send a ticket to Customer Service, you can. Just know they will likely tell you the same thing published in our last update. You can also keep a note for now of what you would send to Customer Service. We'll follow up with next steps as soon as we can.
In my opinion, it would have been better to do a general rollback than this route. 2-3 days targeting your most active and devoted community members is not good PR. I hope you have plans to make those that didn't exploit whole from this.
even if the entire server lost a day of event and grinding, an event extension would have been better and easier. Just my feedback and two cents here. A lot of the players that try out the PTS are just going to be more reluctant to use it moving forward. Not that this will happen again, but precedent is a powerful tool.
just my feedback nothing more.
All of this.
For now I don't want to assume anything. They have a lot to fix; the comms sent may be imperfect and incomplete.
But I'll echo: a ton of the people who logged into PTS first thing today are bound to be among the most loyal, active players:
I pre-ordered Gold Road, have the 10-year award on my forum account, the Imgakin monkey and haven't done anything nefarious in that time. Many of us put a lot of our time and creativity into our ESO creations and communities. Beyond our own missed rewards, many are also members of guilds that depend on us and our sales, during one of the most expensive times of the year for trader bids.
There were definitely a lot of us, now locked out, that share these traits. I can't imagine snubbing core members; it'd be yet another mess.
The problem is, what others like you seem to expect from a compensation is just not doable. Those things are theoretical values. What you definitely can and should expect is a compensation for lost tickets, endeavors and login rewards as those things can be measured/counted. Everything besides that simply cannot and therefore you cannot be compensated for that specifically. That’s where you most likely will get ESO+ or Crowns as compensation. They cannot compensate you for theoretical values of gold earned and random drops.
Mistakes like these happen, very rarely in ZOS case. They acted quickly, took both servers down and worked on this asap. This could have been way worse than it turns out to be now. It‘s unfair that PTS testers are locked out now, but some just need to calm down a little and don’t get agitated even more as they’ve not decided yet what the compensation will be. Maybe it will be pleasing in the end.
MashmalloMan wrote: »How does rolling back pts users only make any sense? There are people from the pts that logged in and started handing out items to players for free.
So people who didn't touch the pts are now sitting pretty with potentially millions worth of gold, items, crowns, what have you, with no rollback in sight.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to roll back EVERYONE? A clean slate? This is a PR nightmare that you think you can avoid by only doing the 0.001% of the playerbase who actually logged into the pts for that 30m and it's a mistake. You're choosing to throw us under the bus to save face.
How are you going to specifically compensate pts users with 3 days worth of play time, potentially 8h of farming they did on Apr 15th, 3 days of ESO plus, endeavours, daily logins, horse riding training, everything. The economy is going to be even worse on PC NA now.
Unacceptable and overly complex.
Seraphayel wrote: »etical values of gold earned and random drops.
Mistakes like these happen, very rarely in ZOS case. They acted quickly, took both servers down and worked on this asap. This could have been way worse than it turns out to be now. It‘s unfair that PTS testers are locked out now, but some just need to calm down a little and don’t get agitated even more as they’ve not decided yet what the compensation will be. Maybe it will be pleasing in the end.
MashmalloMan wrote: »How does rolling back pts users only make any sense? There are people from the pts that logged in and started handing out items to players for free.
So people who didn't touch the pts are now sitting pretty with potentially millions worth of gold, items, crowns, what have you, with no rollback in sight.
MashmalloMan wrote: »How does rolling back pts users only make any sense? There are people from the pts that logged in and started handing out items to players for free.
So people who didn't touch the pts are now sitting pretty with potentially millions worth of gold, items, crowns, what have you, with no rollback in sight.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to roll back EVERYONE? A clean slate? This is a PR nightmare that you think you can avoid by only doing the 0.001% of the playerbase who actually logged into the pts for that 30m and it's a mistake. You're choosing to throw us under the bus to save face.
How are you going to specifically compensate pts users with 3 days worth of play time, potentially 8h of farming they did on Apr 15th, 3 days of ESO plus, endeavours, daily logins, horse riding training, everything. The economy is going to be even worse on PC NA now.
Unacceptable and overly complex.
MashmalloMan wrote: »How does rolling back pts users only make any sense? There are people from the pts that logged in and started handing out items to players for free.
So people who didn't touch the pts are now sitting pretty with potentially millions worth of gold, items, crowns, what have you, with no rollback in sight.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to roll back EVERYONE? A clean slate? This is a PR nightmare that you think you can avoid by only doing the 0.001% of the playerbase who actually logged into the pts for that 30m and it's a mistake. You're choosing to throw us under the bus to save face.
How are you going to specifically compensate pts users with 3 days worth of play time, potentially 8h of farming they did on Apr 15th, 3 days of ESO plus, endeavours, daily logins, horse riding training, everything. The economy is going to be even worse on PC NA now.
Unacceptable and overly complex.
IncultaWolf wrote: »
Yeah, not saying names but I know players who got traded a billion gold from pts templates from another account and they still have that money on the live server 🙃 I'm honestly shocked they didn't just roll back everyone, the economy could suffer from this screw up.
etchedpixels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »etical values of gold earned and random drops.
Mistakes like these happen, very rarely in ZOS case. They acted quickly, took both servers down and worked on this asap. This could have been way worse than it turns out to be now. It‘s unfair that PTS testers are locked out now, but some just need to calm down a little and don’t get agitated even more as they’ve not decided yet what the compensation will be. Maybe it will be pleasing in the end.
Even allowing production data to be accessible by development systems is a firing grade offence in most shops. As someone who works in IT it's difficult to convey just how big a screw up this is and how broken things must be internally for it to have happened.