No credit for completing "earn a ticket" endeavors if already full on tickets

SilverBride · April 4

The Jester's Festival counted earning tickets toward the weekly endeavor even if the player had 12/12 tickets. So today I am 1 ticket short of completing the weekly and I think I am going to get that by eating the jubilee cake but no... I don't get credit because I have 12 tickets. I also didn't get credit for the daily endeavor to earn one event ticket.

There needs to be some cosistency here. Please make it one way or the other but please be consistent.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

FlopsyPrince · April 4

SilverBride wrote: »

The Jester's Festival counted earning tickets toward the weekly endeavor even if the player had 12/12 tickets. So today I am 1 ticket short of completing the weekly and I think I am going to get that by eating the jubilee cake but no... I don't get credit because I have 12 tickets. I also didn't get credit for the daily endeavor to earn one event ticket.

There needs to be some cosistency here. Please make it one way or the other but please be consistent.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

They changed console (IIRC) so you can't turn something in to get tickets if you are already "full". Not going to intentionally try it with the cake though.

NoSoup · April 4

Can you not just turn in some tickets then eat the cake again?

FlopsyPrince · April 4

NoSoup wrote: »

Can you not just turn in some tickets then eat the cake again?

I don't know. Probably not. You couldn't in the past when I did it by mistake. I wouldn't want to try and find out and lose tickets now.

SilverBride · April 4

I bought some cake slices with one character then ate the cake and got my tickets which completed my weekly and a daily endeavor today. But why is this different all the time? It should either matter if we have full tickets or not, but the rule changes from event to event.

spartaxoxo · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

I bought some cake slices with one character then ate the cake and got my tickets which completed my weekly and a daily endeavor today. But why is this different all the time? It should either matter if we have full tickets or not, but the rule changes from event to event.

You're not supposed to be able to collect tickets if you're already full. Sounds like the Jester bugged for you.

SilverBride · April 5

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I bought some cake slices with one character then ate the cake and got my tickets which completed my weekly and a daily endeavor today. But why is this different all the time? Completing endeavors should either matter if we have full tickets or not, but the rule changes from event to event.

You're not supposed to be able to collect tickets if you're already full. Sounds like the Jester bugged for you.

I should clarify. I'll go back and edit the subject to make it more clear.

It's the endeavor that either counts for having gotten a ticket or not, even if we are full on tickets, and it changes from event to event.

Erickson9610 · April 5

So you're saying that, while at 12/12 Event Tickets, picking up excess Event Tickets will progress the Weekly Endeavor, but not the Daily Endeavor? That's a strange inconsistency — I would've thought they'd use the same internal logic.

It kind of reminds me of the inconsistency between the "Loot x Containers" endeavor, which counts stacks of items as just one item, while the "Launder x Stealable Items" endeavor counts each item in each stack as an individual item. In other words, you'd have to loot x individual stacks of items for the first endeavor, regardless of how many items are in each stack, while the second endeavor only requires the sum of every item across each stack when laundered to be equal to or greater than x.

SilverBride · April 5

Erickson9610 wrote: »

So you're saying that, while at 12/12 Event Tickets, picking up excess Event Tickets will progress the Weekly Endeavor, but not the Daily Endeavor? That's a strange inconsistency — I would've thought they'd use the same internal logic.

No. I'm saying that during some events the endeavor to earn an event ticket completes even if the player has 12 tickets already. But then during other events the endeavor to earn an event ticket won't complete if the player has 12 tickets. It's different for different events.

Erickson9610 · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

So you're saying that, while at 12/12 Event Tickets, picking up excess Event Tickets will progress the Weekly Endeavor, but not the Daily Endeavor? That's a strange inconsistency — I would've thought they'd use the same internal logic.

No. I'm saying that during some events the endeavor to earn an event ticket completes even if the player has 12 tickets already. But then during other events the endeavor to earn an event ticket won't complete if the player has 12 tickets. It's different for different events.

Today was a bit odd because you could've earned Event Tickets right as the Jester's Festival ended, and later in the day when the Anniversary Jubilee began. Did you try earning Event Tickets for the Jester's Festival, then tried earning Event Tickets for the Anniversary Jubilee? Maybe there's a bug where you're only counted as earning Event Tickets for the first Event you earn Event Tickets for, regardless of how many different Events overlap on the same day.

In other words, it may have been possible that the reason you made Endeavor progress from the Jester's Festival tickets and not the Anniversary Jubilee tickets is because you tried to earn tickets from both events on the same day.

TheMajority · April 5

use your tickets instead of saving them you get so many why would you take tickets if your full already....missed oppourtunuty to get double tickets

SilverBride · April 5

Erickson9610 wrote: »

In other words, it may have been possible that the reason you made Endeavor progress from the Jester's Festival tickets and not the Anniversary Jubilee tickets is because you tried to earn tickets from both events on the same day.

I didn't do that.

I got credit for 9 of the 10 "earn an event ticket" weekly endeavor during the Jester's Festival and I had 12 tickets the entire time. But today with a new event eating the cake didn't count toward the endeavor. Why? Why do some of these count but others do not?

Erickson9610 · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

In other words, it may have been possible that the reason you made Endeavor progress from the Jester's Festival tickets and not the Anniversary Jubilee tickets is because you tried to earn tickets from both events on the same day.

I didn't do that.

I got credit for 9 of the 10 "earn an event ticket" weekly endeavor during the Jester's Festival and I had 12 tickets the entire time. But today with a new event eating the cake didn't count toward the endeavor. Why? Why do some of these count but others do not?

The Event Tickets from the Jester's Festival were given as rewards via a quest, while the Event Tickets from the Anniversary Jubilee are just deposited into the inventory when you interact with the cake if you have space for the tickets. Maybe the key difference is the method in which the tickets are granted to the player?

SilverBride · April 5

TheMajority wrote: »

use your tickets instead of saving them you get so many why would you take tickets if your full already....missed oppourtunuty to get double tickets

I almost always have 12 tickets because I'm not interested in 99% of the items they are offering. I do the quests for the coffers and to complete endeavors when there is one to earn an event ticket, like there was this week.

SilverBride · April 5

Erickson9610 wrote: »

The Event Tickets from the Jester's Festival were given as rewards via a quest, while the Event Tickets from the Anniversary Jubilee are just deposited into the inventory when you interact with the cake if you have space for the tickets. Maybe the key difference is the method in which the tickets are granted to the player?

I wonder if that is it? I'd really like to know for sure because it is very frustrating.

Ph1p · April 5

A few patches ago, ZOS introduced a safety rail to event tickets coming from looted sources, such as eating the Jubilee cake or looting the final dungeon boss during the Undaunted event. If you have too many tickets already, it doesn't award you the extra ones until you spend some to make enough room. That way, players don't accidentally waste event tickets.

This does not apply to event tickets that are sourced from a quest, like the Jester's festival or Whitestrake's Mayhem. Those already have a warning and safety mechanism, so you can still accept the quest and any tickets over the cap are simply lost.

So basically, the system is working as intended and a huge improvement to the previous state. Sure, they could resolve the "inconsistency", but this is nothing compared to the frustration players had when they accidentally ate the cake while having 12/12 tickets already. Your "issue" can be resolved in 5 seconds by simply buying something - you can even spend exactly 3 tickets this event - and eating the cake again.

SilverBride · April 5

I'm not talking about receiving tickets. I'm taking about sometimes it counts toward an endeavor and sometimes it doesn't when the player already has 12 tickets.

jaws343 · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm not talking about receiving tickets. I'm taking about sometimes it counts toward an endeavor and sometimes it doesn't when the player already has 12 tickets.

Yeah, I think what they are saying is, "Earn" actually means receive.

For Jester's, you could receive the tickets at the cap, you just essentially lose those tickets.

For other events that involve looting the tickets, you literally cannot receive the ticket at cap, so you are not actually earning the ticket yet. You would have to spend to actually loot and earn the ticket.

SilverBride · April 5

The weekly endeavor was "earn 10 event tickets". The Jester's Festival counted toward this even though I had 12/12 tickets and didn't actually receive any tickets. The Anniversary event doesn't and I just want to know why and would like this to be consistent from event to event.

virtus753 · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

The weekly endeavor was "earn 10 event tickets". The Jester's Festival counted toward this even though I had 12/12 tickets and didn't actually receive any tickets. The Anniversary event doesn't and I just want to know why and would like this to be consistent from event to event.

I would agree with the suggestions above that there is a different mechanism at work for each event.

You did earn the Jester's tickets. They were just immediately discarded because you were at cap.

You did not actually earn the Anniversary tickets because this is a different mechanic that prevents you from earning them when you're at cap. They should still be available to you but cannot be earned as long as you remain at cap.

This difference in mechanics is intended, per the developers. Tickets granted by quests can be "earned" even if they will be immediately discarded. Tickets granted by other methods cannot be "earned" while at cap. They want it to work this way, according to the patch notes in which they introduced the safety measures for tickets earned from something other than quests.

SilverBride · April 5

virtus753 wrote: »

Tickets granted by quests can be "earned" even if they will be immediately discarded. Tickets granted by other methods cannot be "earned" while at cap. They want it to work this way, according to the patch notes in which they introduced the safety measures for tickets earned from something other than quests.

"Once you’ve acquired the 2024 Jubilee Cake memento, you can earn three event tickets each day by simply using your cake and enjoying a delicious slice."

The endeavors were to earn event tickets. I earned 3 tickets by eating a cake slice. There was no stipulation that we had to actually receive the tickets... just that we had to earn them. They should have counted.

There is no reason for all this confusion. It should be one way or the other all the time.

jaws343 · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Tickets granted by quests can be "earned" even if they will be immediately discarded. Tickets granted by other methods cannot be "earned" while at cap. They want it to work this way, according to the patch notes in which they introduced the safety measures for tickets earned from something other than quests.

"Once you’ve acquired the 2024 Jubilee Cake memento, you can earn three event tickets each day by simply using your cake and enjoying a delicious slice."

The endeavors were to earn event tickets. I earned 3 tickets by eating a cake slice. There was no stipulation that we had to actually receive the tickets... just that we had to earn them. They should have counted.

There is no reason for all this confusion. It should be one way or the other all the time.

"can earn" doesn't mean will earn.

You "can" earn the tickets if you are able to loot them. You cannot loot them if you are at cap.

Like, if you activate the cake and are at cap. You get literally nothing. When you spend from cap and activate the cake, you then earn the tickets.

With Jesters, you turn in the quest and you get the tickets. If you are at cap, the tickets disappear. And you literally cannot try to get them again that day.

With looting tickets, like the cake, you can attempt to get them again when you are no longer at cap. Hence, until you spend, you literally have not earned any tickets yet.

SilverBride · April 5

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Tickets granted by quests can be "earned" even if they will be immediately discarded. Tickets granted by other methods cannot be "earned" while at cap. They want it to work this way, according to the patch notes in which they introduced the safety measures for tickets earned from something other than quests.

"Once you’ve acquired the 2024 Jubilee Cake memento, you can earn three event tickets each day by simply using your cake and enjoying a delicious slice."

The endeavors were to earn event tickets. I earned 3 tickets by eating a cake slice. There was no stipulation that we had to actually receive the tickets... just that we had to earn them. They should have counted.

There is no reason for all this confusion. It should be one way or the other all the time.

"can earn" doesn't mean will earn.

You "can" earn the tickets if you are able to loot them. You cannot loot them if you are at cap.

Then why did I earn them during the Jester's Festival when I was at cap? I wasn't able to loot them but I received credit for earning 9/10 of the weekly endeavor.

jaws343 · April 5

A better way to put it:

If there is any chance that those daily tickets will still drop for you during that day, you haven't actually earned them.

For the cake, if you are at 12, you are entirely prevented from receiving the tickets. But the tickets are still available to earn the next time you activate the cake that day. So, the game has not recognized that you have earned the tickets for that day.

Like, this was implemented because people were literally losing their minds because they would lose tickets at cap by accidentally looting them. Or lose tickets because they missed the loot.

Just spend the tickets. There is literally no reason not to while at cap and still earning them day 2 of a multi week event.

jaws343 · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Tickets granted by quests can be "earned" even if they will be immediately discarded. Tickets granted by other methods cannot be "earned" while at cap. They want it to work this way, according to the patch notes in which they introduced the safety measures for tickets earned from something other than quests.

"Once you’ve acquired the 2024 Jubilee Cake memento, you can earn three event tickets each day by simply using your cake and enjoying a delicious slice."

The endeavors were to earn event tickets. I earned 3 tickets by eating a cake slice. There was no stipulation that we had to actually receive the tickets... just that we had to earn them. They should have counted.

There is no reason for all this confusion. It should be one way or the other all the time.

"can earn" doesn't mean will earn.

You "can" earn the tickets if you are able to loot them. You cannot loot them if you are at cap.

Then why did I earn them during the Jester's Festival when I was at cap? I wasn't able to loot them but I received credit for earning 9/10 of the weekly endeavor.

But, you were able to loot them for the quest turn in. They just disappeared.

As in my post just now, for Jesters:

You turn in a quest at 12 tickets. You earn the tickets. They disappear into the ether.

You later turn in a second jesters quest, you have already earned the tickets. They will not longer drop for you that day, even if you spend your tickets to not be at the cap.

It works the complete opposite from the lootable tickets from the cake, or lootable drops.

SilverBride · April 5

The issue is with the endeavors and how they are worded. All they ever say is to earn event tickets. This is especially confusing the way it says we can earn tickets just by eating the cake.

If it's an event that doesn't count toward an endeavor unless we receive tickets then the endeavor should say to receive event tickets.

I'm not arguing that we should always get credit for endeavors even if we are at the cap on tickets. I'm just asking that they make it consistent one way or the other. Or at least make the wording more clear.

jaws343 · April 5

SilverBride wrote: »

The issue is with the endeavors and how they are worded. All they ever say is to earn event tickets. This is especially confusing the way it says we can earn tickets just by eating the cake.

If it's an event that doesn't count toward an endeavor unless we receive tickets then the endeavor should say to receive event tickets.

I'm not arguing that we should always get credit for endeavors even if we are at the cap on tickets. I'm just asking that they make it consistent one way or the other. Or at least make the wording more clear.

But it is consistent with what earning means though.

To earn tickets, you have to do an action that awards you tickets AND prevents you from earning additional tickets in the same manner.

Jester fest: Turn in quest, tickets are awarded by turning in quest. Tickets are award regardless of ticket cap. After first quest is turned in, tickets have no other means to be awarded for the event for the day.

Anniversary: Eat cake, tickets are awarded as a loot drop. Loot dropped tickets can only be picked up if you are not at ticket cap. If you are at ticket cap, spend tickets, eat cake again, and the tickets are still available for you to earn that day.

Dungeon Event: Kill final boss, tickets are awarded as a loot drop. etc. If you don't pickup the tickets from the boss, or you are at max cap. The tickets will drop again the next time you kill the boss, until you loot them.

For both Anniv and Dungeon, once you physically are able to loot the tickets, you can no longer earn them any more. That is the significant thing you are overlooking. As long as you can still earn the tickets that day, you literally have not earned them yet.

spartaxoxo · April 5

Sounds like they should just change the word "earn" to "collect," to clear confusion.

I_killed_Vivec · April 5

Most people would think that eating as much cake you like each day is not a bad thing...

But you will only earn tickets for it once a day, and only if you have space for all three.

Erickson9610 · April 5

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Sounds like they should just change the word "earn" to "collect," to clear confusion.

I agree, this would solve the issue here. There's a fair bit of confusion with the wording of certain endeavors, where their requirements don't match their description. This would be a step in the right direction.

SilverBride · April 5

jaws343 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The issue is with the endeavors and how they are worded. All they ever say is to earn event tickets. This is especially confusing the way it says we can earn tickets just by eating the cake.

If it's an event that doesn't count toward an endeavor unless we receive tickets then the endeavor should say to receive event tickets.

I'm not arguing that we should always get credit for endeavors even if we are at the cap on tickets. I'm just asking that they make it consistent one way or the other. Or at least make the wording more clear.

But it is consistent with what earning means though.

It isn't to me and I doubt I'm the only one.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Sounds like they should just change the word "earn" to "collect," to clear confusion.

This would make it much more clear, but I still find it strange that they do it differently for different events.