Cake Devourer Figured Out

ESO_player123

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Wait. It is an achievement you can literally buy for RL cash ?!

If so, I mean if there even is a possibility to buy it for RL cash, then it has no value at all lol. And obviously, something like this should not be a thing in an mmo, or any other "live service" multiplayer game. It devalues effort & time investment to "zero".

How about the folks who, say, buy crowns with real money, trade the crowns for gold and then pay gold for a carry to get a trial achievement? You cannot say that this achievement is not bought with RL cash.

Such a person is circumventing the design using roundabout methods. It is not the game itself being pay2win by design.

Perhaps, but the result is the same.

Necrotech_Master

ESO_player123 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Wait. It is an achievement you can literally buy for RL cash ?!

If so, I mean if there even is a possibility to buy it for RL cash, then it has no value at all lol. And obviously, something like this should not be a thing in an mmo, or any other "live service" multiplayer game. It devalues effort & time investment to "zero".

How about the folks who, say, buy crowns with real money, trade the crowns for gold and then pay gold for a carry to get a trial achievement? You cannot say that this achievement is not bought with RL cash.

Such a person is circumventing the design using roundabout methods. It is not the game itself being pay2win by design.

Perhaps, but the result is the same.

that can theoretically be done with anything in game so long as crown gifting is a thing, but i see that as a different discussion from being forced to use event tickets on an achievement

nobody is forcing anything to buy crowns, convert it to gold, and then spend the gold for a carry (or anything else in game)

conversely there is no alternative to the cake achievement outside of using the "free" ticket budget on this instead of something else, with the response given if this is unacceptable to "buy more tickets" which then either costs crowns, or being "sold" the crowns by another person through ticket gifting

ESO_player123

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Wait. It is an achievement you can literally buy for RL cash ?!

If so, I mean if there even is a possibility to buy it for RL cash, then it has no value at all lol. And obviously, something like this should not be a thing in an mmo, or any other "live service" multiplayer game. It devalues effort & time investment to "zero".

How about the folks who, say, buy crowns with real money, trade the crowns for gold and then pay gold for a carry to get a trial achievement? You cannot say that this achievement is not bought with RL cash.

Such a person is circumventing the design using roundabout methods. It is not the game itself being pay2win by design.

Perhaps, but the result is the same.

that can theoretically be done with anything in game so long as crown gifting is a thing, but i see that as a different discussion from being forced to use event tickets on an achievement

nobody is forcing anything to buy crowns, convert it to gold, and then spend the gold for a carry (or anything else in game)

conversely there is no alternative to the cake achievement outside of using the "free" ticket budget on this instead of something else, with the response given if this is unacceptable to "buy more tickets" which then either costs crowns, or being "sold" the crowns by another person through ticket gifting

My response was actually to what the poster said about the achievement 'not having value at all" if bought with RL cash (I agree, by the way). But the idea that the cake achievement is a unique one (quote "Wait. It is an achievement you can literally buy for RL cash ?!) to be worthless because of this is not true in my opinion (see my argument about trial carries for crowns).

FlopsyPrince

Dragonnord wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i really do not like that they tied an achievement to buying something from the ticket vendor, unless there is some other way to obtain the cake slices

Why not? They're just 1 ticket per slice and you get a total of 60 tickets in this event, not even counting if you already had spare tickets from past Jester's event.
 

no other event achievement has required spending tickets to complete when it was introduced (unless it was a really old thing that got moved to grab bags since it doesnt drop)

the amount of these is still like 3 days worth of tickets wasted on just this too

just feels like the achievement is "pay 2 win" because it costs event tickets, that are 1) a very limited resource and 2) can be bought with crowns (yes i know it doesnt really have any effect on gameplay, but its still a horrendous precedent to set)

Very limited resource? It's 7 cake slices and you can get 60! tickets, so you are left with 53 tickets! and you say tickets are very limited resource?

Obviously ZOS calculated this and gave us more tickets than usual so you can EASILY get your slices and still have a huge amount of tickets left.

No reason to complain.
 

I still have many "old things" I need tickets for, both because I switched from the PS4 to the PC at one point and took a year break, coming back to both recently. Lots of uses for tickets.

Though I have a few old cakes sitting around in my houses on some places.

Necrotech_Master

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Wait. It is an achievement you can literally buy for RL cash ?!

If so, I mean if there even is a possibility to buy it for RL cash, then it has no value at all lol. And obviously, something like this should not be a thing in an mmo, or any other "live service" multiplayer game. It devalues effort & time investment to "zero".

How about the folks who, say, buy crowns with real money, trade the crowns for gold and then pay gold for a carry to get a trial achievement? You cannot say that this achievement is not bought with RL cash.

Such a person is circumventing the design using roundabout methods. It is not the game itself being pay2win by design.

Perhaps, but the result is the same.

that can theoretically be done with anything in game so long as crown gifting is a thing, but i see that as a different discussion from being forced to use event tickets on an achievement

nobody is forcing anything to buy crowns, convert it to gold, and then spend the gold for a carry (or anything else in game)

conversely there is no alternative to the cake achievement outside of using the "free" ticket budget on this instead of something else, with the response given if this is unacceptable to "buy more tickets" which then either costs crowns, or being "sold" the crowns by another person through ticket gifting

My response was actually to what the poster said about the achievement 'not having value at all" if bought with RL cash (I agree, by the way). But the idea that the cake achievement is a unique one (quote "Wait. It is an achievement you can literally buy for RL cash ?!) to be worthless because of this is not true in my opinion (see my argument about trial carries for crowns).

i dont really see any achievement as devalued in a roundabout way using crowns to buy a carry, as the achievement still has to be earned in game, and the hypothetical person here is being "the rich guy in the room" and just throwing money at the problem instead of putting in the effort to earn it themselves

that doesnt devalue the group that still has to actually earn the achievement for the person, the hypothetical is just paying for the time/effort of this service instead of trying hard themselves

the cake achievement i see as a completely different problem, in that there is no real way to earn it in game, outside of using a limited non-tradeable resource that the only way you can get more of is buying with crowns (either yourself or paying someone else for them)

Djennku

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

FlopsyPrince

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

I think I didn't get whatever on the first day since I already did the Jester's festival and that blocks it. ANNOYING!

Necrotech_Master

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

I think I didn't get whatever on the first day since I already did the Jester's festival and that blocks it. ANNOYING!

for today you can get the tickets to both jesters and anniversary, if you happened to catch the jester event between the daily reset and before the anniversary started

ZOS_Kevin

Dragonnord wrote: »

This year is different and cake slices are not bound. Maybe for that reason so if you don't want to spend tickets you can get them from players that don't mind spending tickets on them and then trading or selling the slices.

Take it as another option that ZOS is giving us to get the cakes.
 

This was not intended. We have hotfixed this issue and noted the hotfix here.

Endermanowa

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

I think I didn't get whatever on the first day since I already did the Jester's festival and that blocks it. ANNOYING!

I was able to get both tickets and the big box from both events today, so the events must count separately

Djennku

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

I think I didn't get whatever on the first day since I already did the Jester's festival and that blocks it. ANNOYING!

Did you eat the new cake?

spartaxoxo

ESO_player123 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Wait. It is an achievement you can literally buy for RL cash ?!

If so, I mean if there even is a possibility to buy it for RL cash, then it has no value at all lol. And obviously, something like this should not be a thing in an mmo, or any other "live service" multiplayer game. It devalues effort & time investment to "zero".

How about the folks who, say, buy crowns with real money, trade the crowns for gold and then pay gold for a carry to get a trial achievement? You cannot say that this achievement is not bought with RL cash.

Such a person is circumventing the design using roundabout methods. It is not the game itself being pay2win by design.

Perhaps, but the result is the same.

I disagree. There is a pretty large difference in scale when it requires roundabout methods versus being designed from the ground up to work that way. In addition, it requires a significant gameplay feat by the players doing the selling. Because they not only have to be good enough to pull their own weight but someone else's weight as well.

FlopsyPrince

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

This year is different and cake slices are not bound. Maybe for that reason so if you don't want to spend tickets you can get them from players that don't mind spending tickets on them and then trading or selling the slices.

Take it as another option that ZOS is giving us to get the cakes.
 

This was not intended. We have hotfixed this issue and noted the hotfix here.

You know the fact that something like this can be hotfixed but other things cannot doesn't give a good front for ZOS....

spartaxoxo

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

This year is different and cake slices are not bound. Maybe for that reason so if you don't want to spend tickets you can get them from players that don't mind spending tickets on them and then trading or selling the slices.

Take it as another option that ZOS is giving us to get the cakes.
 

This was not intended. We have hotfixed this issue and noted the hotfix here.

You know the fact that something like this can be hotfixed but other things cannot doesn't give a good front for ZOS....

That's every game. Not all issues are able to be hotfixed. Some are more complicated to fix than others.

FlopsyPrince

Could I buy the ticket with gold and use it to get the slices?

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

This year is different and cake slices are not bound. Maybe for that reason so if you don't want to spend tickets you can get them from players that don't mind spending tickets on them and then trading or selling the slices.

Take it as another option that ZOS is giving us to get the cakes.
 

This was not intended. We have hotfixed this issue and noted the hotfix here.

You know the fact that something like this can be hotfixed but other things cannot doesn't give a good front for ZOS....

That's every game. Not all issues are able to be hotfixed. Some are more complicated to fix than others.

I don't think I have seen anything hotfixed that impacted the player without "harming" ZOS. Perhaps they happened, but this is not a good appearance. Not that I am personally all that worried about it.

EDIT: Clarify language.

FlopsyPrince

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kringled_1

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

So between personality fragments, imp fragments, and the mount, that's already 45-48 of your 60 tickets used. You might still be able to buy the slices but there's not a lot left over.

wolfie1.0.

I would feel better about this mechanic if we were not capped at 12 tickets.

spartaxoxo

kringled_1 wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

So between personality fragments, imp fragments, and the mount, that's already 45-48 of your 60 tickets used. You might still be able to buy the slices but there's not a lot left over.

The fragments will be back later this year. Don't bother with them if you want the slices/cakes. The personality fragments will be back both in the next event and then again during New Life. Imp fragments will be back at every event this year.

kringled_1

spartaxoxo wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

So between personality fragments, imp fragments, and the mount, that's already 45-48 of your 60 tickets used. You might still be able to buy the slices but there's not a lot left over.

The fragments will be back later this year. Don't bother with them if you want the slices/cakes. The personality fragments will be back both in the next event and then again during New Life. Imp fragments will be back at every event this year.

You can, but that's just deferring the costs - might make sense for someone who really wants something from this event but doesn't want stuff from a later event. If you plan to keep up with fragments/imps, the average is about 1 of each per event (15 tickets) and this event counts as two effectively. I use this kind of budgeting to know how many tickets I can spend on tradeable event stuff like style pages vs buying with gold.

spartaxoxo

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

That's every game. Not all issues are able to be hotfixed. Some are more complicated to fix than others.

Not unless you buy from a crown seller.

FlopsyPrince

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

That's every game. Not all issues are able to be hotfixed. Some are more complicated to fix than others.

Not unless you buy from a crown seller.

Which is what I was expecting.

spartaxoxo

kringled_1 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

Djennku wrote: »

FWIW, horse needs 5-6 (depending on if you can get an extra one after reset and before the event ends) fragments from the store, so 15-18 tickets.

EDIT: this is IF you get a piece every day of the event.

So between personality fragments, imp fragments, and the mount, that's already 45-48 of your 60 tickets used. You might still be able to buy the slices but there's not a lot left over.

The fragments will be back later this year. Don't bother with them if you want the slices/cakes. The personality fragments will be back both in the next event and then again during New Life. Imp fragments will be back at every event this year.

You can, but that's just deferring the costs - might make sense for someone who really wants something from this event but doesn't want stuff from a later event. If you plan to keep up with fragments/imps, the average is about 1 of each per event (15 tickets) and this event counts as two effectively. I use this kind of budgeting to know how many tickets I can spend on tradeable event stuff like style pages vs buying with gold.

Most of the events the other stuff is available for coin. This event has an unusual number of bound items. New Life has functioned as a catch-up event for a while now as well.