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FAKE vCR Portal DPS

ElderSmitter
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Stop looking for a Carry in vCR+ and learn how to properly do Portals. I am an End Game Tank and DPS and as a Tank once again trying to help others with Pug Trials it gets annoying when I say X for Portal 1 and Y for Portal 2 and met with Silence. Then I assign Portals and we fail 3 times Trial over. All the DPS need to understand coordinating 3 tanks on a Pug vCR+ is hard enough. Stop being Selfish and Learn the Mechanics. I always even offer to explain them but if you're going to Join a vCR+ Learn the Portals on Normal! Your part of the reason no one wants to Tank Pugs!

2 vCR+1's failed today because of Fake Portal DPS. Done until tonight!

Cheers!
Edited by ElderSmitter on March 16, 2024 6:12PM
  • LadyLavina
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    Stop looking for a Carry in vCR+ and learn how to properly do Portals. I am an End Game Tank and DPS and as a Tank once again trying to help others with Pug Trials it gets annoying when I say X for Portal 1 and Y for Portal 2 and met with Silence. Then I assign Portals and we fail 3 times Trial over. All the DPS need to understand coordinating 3 tanks on a Pug vCR+ is hard enough. Stop being Selfish and Learn the Mechanics. I always even offer to explain them but if you're going to Join a vCR+ Learn the Portals on Normal! Your part of the reason no one wants to Tank Pugs!

    Cheers!

    I have to agree with this 100%. If people want the clears/achievements/gear/whatever from things, they need to learn the mechanics and hone their skills/builds to make it happen. Stop just throwing yourself at stuff like a lemming figuring "eh, the group will sort it out :D " because you're just making people miserable.

    "Yeah but some of this stuff is pretty hard and I don't have the time." - I understand that, there are guilds out there to help you with that (Hi Sempiternal!). Don't just hop in every vet run of your chosen thing you can find and try to force it, if things aren't going well. That just makes others have a bad time.

    "I don't have a ton of cp/good gear, this stuff is inaccessible to me. I need the carry. Just do it if you're good enough." - I assure you it's not inaccessible. You don't need top-tier end-game trials gear to clear things. Ignore "Best in Slot". It'll drive you nuts. As for the cp, you don't need a ton to be good at what you do. I promise, put in the time/effort and you'll get there.

    This comment isn't meant to incite or bash anyone, I'm just trying to speak on some of the common things said on this topic and reassure people who feel they need the carry that it's more fun/satisfying overall if you build yourself up to actually get it done.
    Edited by LadyLavina on March 16, 2024 6:21PM
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  • Alpheu5
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    "Oh no, the healer has an AOE growing under their feet and is running into the group. We all better scatter so we don't get hurt by the explosion!"
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  • ElderSmitter
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    LadyLavina wrote: »
    Stop looking for a Carry in vCR+ and learn how to properly do Portals. I am an End Game Tank and DPS and as a Tank once again trying to help others with Pug Trials it gets annoying when I say X for Portal 1 and Y for Portal 2 and met with Silence. Then I assign Portals and we fail 3 times Trial over. All the DPS need to understand coordinating 3 tanks on a Pug vCR+ is hard enough. Stop being Selfish and Learn the Mechanics. I always even offer to explain them but if you're going to Join a vCR+ Learn the Portals on Normal! Your part of the reason no one wants to Tank Pugs!

    Cheers!

    I have to agree with this 100%. If people want the clears/achievements/gear/whatever from things, they need to learn the mechanics and hone their skills/builds to make it happen. Stop just throwing yourself at stuff like a lemming figuring "eh, the group will sort it out :D " because you're just making people miserable.

    "Yeah but some of this stuff is pretty hard and I don't have the time." - I understand that, there are guilds out there to help you with that (Hi Sempiternal!). Don't just hop in every vet run of your chosen thing you can find and try to force it, if things aren't going well. That just makes others have a bad time.

    "I don't have a ton of cp/good gear, this stuff is inaccessible to me. I need the carry. Just do it if you're good enough." - I assure you it's not inaccessible. You don't need top-tier end-game trials gear to clear things. Ignore "Best in Slot". It'll drive you nuts. As for the cp, you don't need a ton to be good at what you do. I promise, put in the time/effort and you'll get there.

    This comment isn't meant to incite or bash anyone, I'm just trying to speak on some of the common things said on this topic and reassure people who feel they need the carry that it's more fun/satisfying overall if you build yourself up to actually get it done.

    Spot on. I do not require Clears (Prob my fault) Nor do I require CP requirements. I just ask in the message box for DPS to know Portal Mechanics. They still try and fake their way through wasting tons of time! What i may do for my next vCR+ is put PROG and force people to learn that want to Join and those looking for a quick free Clear who are fake dps might not join that way.
  • ElderSmitter
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    Alpheu5 wrote: »
    "Oh no, the healer has an AOE growing under their feet and is running into the group. We all better scatter so we don't get hurt by the explosion!"

    :D
  • Reginald_leBlem
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    LadyLavina wrote: »
    Stop looking for a Carry in vCR+ and learn how to properly do Portals. I am an End Game Tank and DPS and as a Tank once again trying to help others with Pug Trials it gets annoying when I say X for Portal 1 and Y for Portal 2 and met with Silence. Then I assign Portals and we fail 3 times Trial over. All the DPS need to understand coordinating 3 tanks on a Pug vCR+ is hard enough. Stop being Selfish and Learn the Mechanics. I always even offer to explain them but if you're going to Join a vCR+ Learn the Portals on Normal! Your part of the reason no one wants to Tank Pugs!

    Cheers!

    I have to agree with this 100%. If people want the clears/achievements/gear/whatever from things, they need to learn the mechanics and hone their skills/builds to make it happen. Stop just throwing yourself at stuff like a lemming figuring "eh, the group will sort it out :D " because you're just making people miserable.

    "Yeah but some of this stuff is pretty hard and I don't have the time." - I understand that, there are guilds out there to help you with that (Hi Sempiternal!). Don't just hop in every vet run of your chosen thing you can find and try to force it, if things aren't going well. That just makes others have a bad time.

    "I don't have a ton of cp/good gear, this stuff is inaccessible to me. I need the carry. Just do it if you're good enough." - I assure you it's not inaccessible. You don't need top-tier end-game trials gear to clear things. Ignore "Best in Slot". It'll drive you nuts. As for the cp, you don't need a ton to be good at what you do. I promise, put in the time/effort and you'll get there.

    This comment isn't meant to incite or bash anyone, I'm just trying to speak on some of the common things said on this topic and reassure people who feel they need the carry that it's more fun/satisfying overall if you build yourself up to actually get it done.

    Spot on. I do not require Clears (Prob my fault) Nor do I require CP requirements. I just ask in the message box for DPS to know Portal Mechanics. They still try and fake their way through wasting tons of time! What i may do for my next vCR+ is put PROG and force people to learn that want to Join and those looking for a quick free Clear who are fake dps might not join that way.

    If you do not appropriately vet the players on the team when you are raid lead, then I'm not sure what you expect.
  • ElderSmitter
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    LadyLavina wrote: »
    Stop looking for a Carry in vCR+ and learn how to properly do Portals. I am an End Game Tank and DPS and as a Tank once again trying to help others with Pug Trials it gets annoying when I say X for Portal 1 and Y for Portal 2 and met with Silence. Then I assign Portals and we fail 3 times Trial over. All the DPS need to understand coordinating 3 tanks on a Pug vCR+ is hard enough. Stop being Selfish and Learn the Mechanics. I always even offer to explain them but if you're going to Join a vCR+ Learn the Portals on Normal! Your part of the reason no one wants to Tank Pugs!

    Cheers!

    I have to agree with this 100%. If people want the clears/achievements/gear/whatever from things, they need to learn the mechanics and hone their skills/builds to make it happen. Stop just throwing yourself at stuff like a lemming figuring "eh, the group will sort it out :D " because you're just making people miserable.

    "Yeah but some of this stuff is pretty hard and I don't have the time." - I understand that, there are guilds out there to help you with that (Hi Sempiternal!). Don't just hop in every vet run of your chosen thing you can find and try to force it, if things aren't going well. That just makes others have a bad time.

    "I don't have a ton of cp/good gear, this stuff is inaccessible to me. I need the carry. Just do it if you're good enough." - I assure you it's not inaccessible. You don't need top-tier end-game trials gear to clear things. Ignore "Best in Slot". It'll drive you nuts. As for the cp, you don't need a ton to be good at what you do. I promise, put in the time/effort and you'll get there.

    This comment isn't meant to incite or bash anyone, I'm just trying to speak on some of the common things said on this topic and reassure people who feel they need the carry that it's more fun/satisfying overall if you build yourself up to actually get it done.

    Spot on. I do not require Clears (Prob my fault) Nor do I require CP requirements. I just ask in the message box for DPS to know Portal Mechanics. They still try and fake their way through wasting tons of time! What i may do for my next vCR+ is put PROG and force people to learn that want to Join and those looking for a quick free Clear who are fake dps might not join that way.

    If you do not appropriately vet the players on the team when you are raid lead, then I'm not sure what you expect.

    When you create a Group Finder and Put in the Message DPS Must know Portal Mechanics and they Join and clearly do not you're correct nothing I can do about selfish DPS who want a free Carry. When I ask for Portal Teams and Met with Silence, I already know there is a bunch of fake vCR Portal dps . I do Pugs to help others not myself. If i wanted to vet the group i would create a non-Pug Group.
  • Pixiepumpkin
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    Its obvoious and apparent to me that ESO is LOOOOOOONG overdue for an in game Strategy Guide like wow implemented many years back.

    Until then, I am not going to blame the players for not understanding a mechanic that should be obvious to pick after an encounter or two. Players should not be forced to tab out of the game to understand how to play the game. ESO really fails in this regard on multiple fronts, from rotation, to build, to CP, to engaging in content. The game design is lacking.
    "𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖓 𝕲𝖔𝖉𝖘 𝖉𝖎𝖘𝖑𝖎𝖐𝖊 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖇𝖘𝖔𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖊, 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖎𝖙 𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖓𝖐𝖘 𝖔𝖋 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖑𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖊𝖗 𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖓 𝖙𝖍𝖊𝖒𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖛𝖊𝖘." ― Sotha Sil
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  • Shagreth
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    Its obvoious and apparent to me that ESO is LOOOOOOONG overdue for an in game Strategy Guide like wow implemented many years back.

    Until then, I am not going to blame the players for not understanding a mechanic that should be obvious to pick after an encounter or two. Players should not be forced to tab out of the game to understand how to play the game. ESO really fails in this regard on multiple fronts, from rotation, to build, to CP, to engaging in content. The game design is lacking.
    Proving grounds coupled with the strategy guide were amazing, one of the best additions ever. Proving Grounds even incentivized you to do well with rewards like titles etc. ESO needs it more, combat is pure chaos at times.
  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    Alpheu5 wrote: »
    "Oh no, the healer has an AOE growing under their feet and is running into the group. We all better scatter so we don't get hurt by the explosion!"

    I know this isn’t CR-specific, but I still get people dodge-rolling out of the AoE of the Earthgore helm.

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  • kargen27
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    I'm going to go on a tangent. A friend told me a group needed a healer for vet Dreadsail Reef. I joined and when we got to heat miser and cold miser I asked who would be doing the bubbles. I already knew from how the mobs treated us we weren't getting past the first boss fight but what the heck might as well try.
    I was told we are just going burn through it. I doubted that but sometimes you gotta stick around and watch the wreck happen. Four wipes later they still didn't think paying attention to the bubbles was needed and people started leaving. I finally jumped when the group was down to about eight people. We did get far enough one time that I was able to tell them that is what happens when you overlap the bubbles.
    My friend said they tried again a few other nights and never did get past that first boss fight. Dreadsail is a really fun trial but the whole group needs to know the mechanics.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • Reginald_leBlem
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    LadyLavina wrote: »
    Stop looking for a Carry in vCR+ and learn how to properly do Portals. I am an End Game Tank and DPS and as a Tank once again trying to help others with Pug Trials it gets annoying when I say X for Portal 1 and Y for Portal 2 and met with Silence. Then I assign Portals and we fail 3 times Trial over. All the DPS need to understand coordinating 3 tanks on a Pug vCR+ is hard enough. Stop being Selfish and Learn the Mechanics. I always even offer to explain them but if you're going to Join a vCR+ Learn the Portals on Normal! Your part of the reason no one wants to Tank Pugs!

    Cheers!

    I have to agree with this 100%. If people want the clears/achievements/gear/whatever from things, they need to learn the mechanics and hone their skills/builds to make it happen. Stop just throwing yourself at stuff like a lemming figuring "eh, the group will sort it out :D " because you're just making people miserable.

    "Yeah but some of this stuff is pretty hard and I don't have the time." - I understand that, there are guilds out there to help you with that (Hi Sempiternal!). Don't just hop in every vet run of your chosen thing you can find and try to force it, if things aren't going well. That just makes others have a bad time.

    "I don't have a ton of cp/good gear, this stuff is inaccessible to me. I need the carry. Just do it if you're good enough." - I assure you it's not inaccessible. You don't need top-tier end-game trials gear to clear things. Ignore "Best in Slot". It'll drive you nuts. As for the cp, you don't need a ton to be good at what you do. I promise, put in the time/effort and you'll get there.

    This comment isn't meant to incite or bash anyone, I'm just trying to speak on some of the common things said on this topic and reassure people who feel they need the carry that it's more fun/satisfying overall if you build yourself up to actually get it done.

    Spot on. I do not require Clears (Prob my fault) Nor do I require CP requirements. I just ask in the message box for DPS to know Portal Mechanics. They still try and fake their way through wasting tons of time! What i may do for my next vCR+ is put PROG and force people to learn that want to Join and those looking for a quick free Clear who are fake dps might not join that way.

    If you do not appropriately vet the players on the team when you are raid lead, then I'm not sure what you expect.

    When you create a Group Finder and Put in the Message DPS Must know Portal Mechanics and they Join and clearly do not you're correct nothing I can do about selfish DPS who want a free Carry. When I ask for Portal Teams and Met with Silence, I already know there is a bunch of fake vCR Portal dps . I do Pugs to help others not myself. If i wanted to vet the group i would create a non-Pug Group.

    Nah, you had options. Of course the dds should have been honest, but maybe they thought they were being honest. Maybe they had done vCR and been orb slayer, or healer, or what have you. It's hard to know what you don't know if you don't know it.

    You could have: 1) asked for proof of clear 2) pulled in a couple of trusted dds to fill critical roles or 3) Taken the time to clearly explain mechanics and swapped players around or 4) failing options 1, 2, and 3 dropped the difficulty to a vCR+0
  • CGPsaint
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    Comment deleted as my views and opinions are not relevant to ZoS.
    Edited by CGPsaint on April 19, 2024 2:11AM
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  • ElderSmitter
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    LadyLavina wrote: »
    Stop looking for a Carry in vCR+ and learn how to properly do Portals. I am an End Game Tank and DPS and as a Tank once again trying to help others with Pug Trials it gets annoying when I say X for Portal 1 and Y for Portal 2 and met with Silence. Then I assign Portals and we fail 3 times Trial over. All the DPS need to understand coordinating 3 tanks on a Pug vCR+ is hard enough. Stop being Selfish and Learn the Mechanics. I always even offer to explain them but if you're going to Join a vCR+ Learn the Portals on Normal! Your part of the reason no one wants to Tank Pugs!

    Cheers!

    I have to agree with this 100%. If people want the clears/achievements/gear/whatever from things, they need to learn the mechanics and hone their skills/builds to make it happen. Stop just throwing yourself at stuff like a lemming figuring "eh, the group will sort it out :D " because you're just making people miserable.

    "Yeah but some of this stuff is pretty hard and I don't have the time." - I understand that, there are guilds out there to help you with that (Hi Sempiternal!). Don't just hop in every vet run of your chosen thing you can find and try to force it, if things aren't going well. That just makes others have a bad time.

    "I don't have a ton of cp/good gear, this stuff is inaccessible to me. I need the carry. Just do it if you're good enough." - I assure you it's not inaccessible. You don't need top-tier end-game trials gear to clear things. Ignore "Best in Slot". It'll drive you nuts. As for the cp, you don't need a ton to be good at what you do. I promise, put in the time/effort and you'll get there.

    This comment isn't meant to incite or bash anyone, I'm just trying to speak on some of the common things said on this topic and reassure people who feel they need the carry that it's more fun/satisfying overall if you build yourself up to actually get it done.

    Spot on. I do not require Clears (Prob my fault) Nor do I require CP requirements. I just ask in the message box for DPS to know Portal Mechanics. They still try and fake their way through wasting tons of time! What i may do for my next vCR+ is put PROG and force people to learn that want to Join and those looking for a quick free Clear who are fake dps might not join that way.

    If you do not appropriately vet the players on the team when you are raid lead, then I'm not sure what you expect.

    When you create a Group Finder and Put in the Message DPS Must know Portal Mechanics and they Join and clearly do not you're correct nothing I can do about selfish DPS who want a free Carry. When I ask for Portal Teams and Met with Silence, I already know there is a bunch of fake vCR Portal dps . I do Pugs to help others not myself. If i wanted to vet the group i would create a non-Pug Group.

    Nah, you had options. Of course the dds should have been honest, but maybe they thought they were being honest. Maybe they had done vCR and been orb slayer, or healer, or what have you. It's hard to know what you don't know if you don't know it.

    You could have: 1) asked for proof of clear 2) pulled in a couple of trusted dds to fill critical roles or 3) Taken the time to clearly explain mechanics and swapped players around or 4) failing options 1, 2, and 3 dropped the difficulty to a vCR+0

    I have done all that. The whole point of the Message when you make Group Finder is to tell people what you're looking for. I do all the above your talking to an End Game Tank that Pugs Trials and Pulls people through content not some run of the mill Tank. I finish Trials with Pugs often and the #1 Issue is always Fake vCR+ DPS Portal teams. I am not afraid to assign Portal groups and not afraid to Switch them. I do explain them but not every Pug Trial is a Prog or I would LIST Prog in the description box. Bottom Line vCR exposes Fake DPS.
  • moderatelyfatman
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    First people made a thread about Fake Tanks, another about Fake Healers and now it's Fake DPS.

    Well, this is what happens when a whole lot of experienced players leave the game en masse. You have a massive brain drain from the game in general and there isn't enough players willing/able to step up and teach the next generation.

    For those who remember, it's worth looking back at the effect of a bad patch on Project Vitality. They went from 226 raid leads to 60 raid leads over the period of a PTS cycle when the new changes became apparent. Project Vitality has since ended (please correct me if any of these details are wrong).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omw7ibDd0Zs

    The response of ZOS has been to make things easier for new and casual players e.g. Oakensoul HA builds, Arcanists. This is not useful where mechanics are not able to be replaced with insanely high dps.

    Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if ZOS starts removing mechanics requirements for trials such as CR and DSA in the name of accesibility rather than encouraging players to join guilds, do progs and 'level up' their skill.
    Edited by moderatelyfatman on March 17, 2024 8:05AM
  • furiouslog
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    People pug vCR? :lol:
  • Sakiri
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    Shagreth wrote: »
    Its obvoious and apparent to me that ESO is LOOOOOOONG overdue for an in game Strategy Guide like wow implemented many years back.

    Until then, I am not going to blame the players for not understanding a mechanic that should be obvious to pick after an encounter or two. Players should not be forced to tab out of the game to understand how to play the game. ESO really fails in this regard on multiple fronts, from rotation, to build, to CP, to engaging in content. The game design is lacking.
    Proving grounds coupled with the strategy guide were amazing, one of the best additions ever. Proving Grounds even incentivized you to do well with rewards like titles etc. ESO needs it more, combat is pure chaos at times.

    Won't work. Didn't work in wow either. People just account shared to get it done so they could queue. On top of it, you had people clearing heroic raids that couldn't do them and just skipped heroics in the gearing.
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