Why Housing is still behind the eso+ wall...?

BenjaminGasper · March 31

Alastrine wrote: »

BenjaminGasper wrote: »

Alastrine wrote: »

BenjaminGasper wrote: »

kah wrote: »

I know someone suggested implementing a furnishing craft bag. If they added something like that for plus instead of adding furnishing limits, I think that'd be a decent compromise.

That would be a decent compromise INDEED. Making much more sense.

As a Plus member, I'd rather have the housing slots, as it is now.
A furnishing bag would be awesome, but I can control my furnishing inventories.
For my few accounts that only have Plus intermittently that would be ugh.. when they lose craft bag it's easy to keep flowers and such they get in their bank as they stack. But if suddenly I had to go back to storing all furniture I get in the bank bc I can't add it to a furnishing bag any longer... blarg.

A furniture bag that is purchased separately at same cost for everyone - that would be a great thing! But I would not swap my Plus housing slots for it.

Another great thing I'd love? Being able to decon furniture for mats, something else we are lacking. Even if all we could decon is only furniture that is player made.

The whole idea behind this discussion is not about punishing eso+ subscribers but making eso+ more 'play style' neutral...
I explained what i mean by that in details in my very first post here.
I am PLUS member myself and been playing for a long time but what I have noticed is that majority of my friends or guild members who chose not to sub, and have been successfully playing like that for months or years are ONLY the ones who have zero or little interest in housing. On the other hand players who like/love housing and don't want to pay for just ONE eso+ perk are dropping out regularly, even people who can afford eso+ and sitting on 50k crowns on their accounts.
That is why i think replacing housing slots perk with quality of life improvements ideas like 'furnishing bag' for example makes much more sense, since literally ALL othe eso+ benefits are nothing else than QoL improvements...
PLUS members would still benefit greatly for their money since for vast majority of them QoL stuff is main factor anyway.

I quite understand what you're getting at, but as I said, taking a perk away from the Plus membership is wrong. Plus is not supposed to be 'play style' neutral. It's supposed to be 'better' in some ways than playing without it. That's what we pay for.
I am ALL for giving non-plus folks a way to increase their housing slots - and thats what I said - even making it through endeavor seals or writ vouchers to make it 'cost' free.
All that would be great and I support it 100%.
Removing the perk from Plus, which should STILL take their slots higher than non Plus... no. I don't support that at all. Finding a way to increase housing slots for those without Plus would be wonderful, but Plus should always be just that much better.
I also get your suggestion of a furnishing bag replacing the added Plus slots, I - as a Plus member - just don't happen to agree with it and just IMO, that switch adds nothing to any QoL. I would feel I'm getting less for my money and no, I wouldn't be happy. That is my opinion on it. You can feel it makes sense, etc., but I just don't agree with you.

You might not agree with me and it's fine, but I think you just mistake 'play style' neutral with 'gameplay' neutral...
eso+ SHOULD be 'play style' neutral yet 'better' in some ways than playing without it as you put it. That is why PLUS members get crafting bag and many bonuses, like increased amount of many currencies and xp. On top of that members get increased storage space, ect. Those alone are worth the money you are paying. This is 'play style' neutral with gameplay adventages over non Plus. No need to destroy housing experience for no Plus players. And if you think that perk like 'furnishing bag' adds nothing to any QoL I truly don't know what does...;D
Potentially freeing hundreds of slots in inventories and helping organizing all furnishings... and that is just one idea someone suggested here and personally for that perk alone I would buy eso+

Alastrine · March 31

I did say a furnishing bag would be great.
I just said I don't feel its of good enough value to swap slot spaces out of Plus for it.
Besides, I think it would be bad to put two storage bags for only Plus members - craft bag and a furnishing bag.
Make it available on it's own, buyable by anyone, Plus or not.
Leave Plus as it is.

BenjaminGasper · April 1

Alastrine wrote: »

I did say a furnishing bag would be great.
I just said I don't feel its of good enough value to swap slot spaces out of Plus for it.
Besides, I think it would be bad to put two storage bags for only Plus members - craft bag and a furnishing bag.
Make it available on it's own, buyable by anyone, Plus or not.
Leave Plus as it is.

Lets keep in mind that 'furnishing bag' is just one of many possible replacements/solutions that someone suggested here as an example that we may never even get.
But, let's assume theoretically that it is in fact a possible option. You mentioned few times that as a Plus member you would feel you are getting less for your money if housing slots perk was replaced by furnishing bag which is simply incorrect...
In that scenerio as a plus member you keep same number of housing slots as it is now and get a furnishing bag on top of that...You get MORE for same price basically. So Plus members would get furnishing bag and non Plus would get same amount of slots in their houses.
I think what you really meant was that in your opinion the 'gap' between eso+ and non eso+ wouldn't be big enough for some reason...which is strange, considering all benefits eso+ offers. Then you said it would be bad to put two storage bags for only Plus...very contradictory opinions. More QoL stuff for Plus members would be fair trade imo, I think the main reason most people accept housing slots as eso+ benefit is because it's been around for so many years now it became 'normal' and any change here seems odd or even wrong...
Lets say someone's eso+ just expired but that person now has much less time to play than usually ( work, family ect) and decides to postpone renewing eso+ for few months to get most out of it. Still logs in for hour or two, few times a week. Why would that person wanted to buy a furnishing bag from crown store if they cannot even add anything to their houses??
Just saying...

Alastrine · April 2

BenjaminGasper wrote: »

You mentioned few times that as a Plus member you would feel you are getting less for your money if housing slots perk was replaced by furnishing bag which is simply incorrect...

How very presumptuous of you to tell me how I feel about an issue, or that it is incorrect.

I've stated my opinion, you've stated yours. I won't tell you that yours is incorrect, just that I don't agree with it.

FYI, a furnishing bag is for storage. Even those without Plus housing slots still accumulate a lot of furniture. I have a number of accounts that are not Plus, they all furnish houses, and stuff accumulates.

You keep quoting QoL.. it's a game.. my important QoL is off line, not in a game.

End of the day, I highly doubt ZoS will do any of this stuff so it is all wish listing and nothing more.

After going in circles over and over, done here. Take care.

BenjaminGasper · April 9

Alastrine wrote: »

BenjaminGasper wrote: »

You mentioned few times that as a Plus member you would feel you are getting less for your money if housing slots perk was replaced by furnishing bag which is simply incorrect...

How very presumptuous of you to tell me how I feel about an issue, or that it is incorrect.

I've stated my opinion, you've stated yours. I won't tell you that yours is incorrect, just that I don't agree with it.

FYI, a furnishing bag is for storage. Even those without Plus housing slots still accumulate a lot of furniture. I have a number of accounts that are not Plus, they all furnish houses, and stuff accumulates.

You keep quoting QoL.. it's a game.. my important QoL is off line, not in a game.

End of the day, I highly doubt ZoS will do any of this stuff so it is all wish listing and nothing more.

After going in circles over and over, done here. Take care.

Yes, it is a game and this forum is for this game...and forum is in big part wish list after all. Vast majority of those wishes won't be implemented but some will.
Take care.

Nerouyn · April 16

I loathe the idea of effectively renting the ability to move furniture in homes I own. So with the exception of storage / junk homes I stick to the unsubscribed furnishings limit.

It is possible to furnish even giant homes decently within that limit.

BenjaminGasper · May 14

Nerouyn wrote: »

I loathe the idea of effectively renting the ability to move furniture in homes I own. So with the exception of storage / junk homes I stick to the unsubscribed furnishings limit.

It is possible to furnish even giant homes decently within that limit.

Yes, that 'renting a house' feeling is awful, that is why I have created this post, hoping that different solutions could be implemented to offer all slots for everyone.

Araneae6537 · May 14

BenjaminGasper wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

I loathe the idea of effectively renting the ability to move furniture in homes I own. So with the exception of storage / junk homes I stick to the unsubscribed furnishings limit.

It is possible to furnish even giant homes decently within that limit.

Yes, that 'renting a house' feeling is awful, that is why I have created this post, hoping that different solutions could be implemented to offer all slots for everyone.

I think that should definitely be the case for houses bought with Crowns and perhaps be a Crown-purchaseable option for those bought with in-game gold for those who want to upgrade. For that matter, I’d love to be able to buy increased furnishing slots, at least for properties below the cap. Yes, you can decorate well with fewer furnishings, but sometimes I want to make a library of individual books or go nuts with my gardening!

Rageypoo · May 15

This reminds me of the fact that we purchase costumes, but can't color them unless we have ESO+

Nerouyn · May 16

Rageypoo wrote: »

This reminds me of the fact that we purchase costumes, but can't color them unless we have ESO+

As someone who couldn't afford to sub for most of the time I've been playing, this one isn't that bad really because you can change them during the several times a year short (week'ish) sub free trials.

Once I find a colour scheme I like for that outfit, subbed or not I don't want to change them very often.

thecatsme0w · May 18

My ESO Plus subscription is my fun budget. I don't subscribe to cable (don't own a TV!!) and don't subscribe to streaming services, so my 12 bucks a month for Plus (since I sub a year at a time) is how I choose to spend my fun money. I bet most people who claim they "can't afford" Plus are spending that money on other stuff like Netflix or cable.

Luthivar · May 21

I agree with the cut down furniture limit for non-subscribers feeling nasty after having bought a house for 50 Euro/Dollars after a discount. But I am strongly against putting a much needed and long awaited increase to furniture limits behind another pay-wall. They could instead simply raise the limits by 50 percent or introduce a new category for currently oversized houses and raise their limits from 700 items to 1000. And while they are at it, double the collectibles section for house guests and pets.
Doesn't mean I have much hope left that an increase of furniture limits is what they meant by "improvements to housing" for update 43. It'll be more likely an official version of the housing hub, new furniture filters, maybe even deconstruction or a furniture bag.

Wildberryjack · May 21

I understand why they do it but if they can finally increase the total slots on houses it needs to increase equally for subbed and unsubbed. Don't leave them out completely.

As for the sub. I do the years sub, saving the money each month to pay for it, so it comes out to a little over eleven dollars per month. Quite frankly if I can't spare eleven bucks a month I have bigger problems to deal with than a video game. My friends and I go out several times a month to eat and I spend triple that each time. Eleven bucks a month is cheap for unlimited entertainment, even movies cost more now and they're one and done.

LucyferLightbringer · June 3

Sorry but i do not buy the idea of people buying crowns to buy houses and furnishings, but not wanting to pay for subscription.
Why? Simple, one of the cheapest options to get crowns is.... buying subscription. 1500 crowns is 14.99. You know what else is 14.99 yup a month of subscription which comes with 1650 crowns!

So lets say you want to buy notable house so you need to buy the highest pack. You could either get 21k crowns for 149,99$ wich gives 140 crowns per dollar, or you could just subscribe for 12 months of eso plus get all the perks and 19800 crowns for 139,99$ which makes 141 crowns for dollar.

It just makes no sense to buy crown pack without buying subscription first.

While i agree the house item limit should go up atleast by 200% i do not believe people who do not pay money to help the game stay afloat should be getting any of the perks paying customers get.

carly · June 4

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

Sorry but i do not buy the idea of people buying crowns to buy houses and furnishings, but not wanting to pay for subscription.
Why? Simple, one of the cheapest options to get crowns is.... buying subscription. 1500 crowns is 14.99. You know what else is 14.99 yup a month of subscription which comes with 1650 crowns!

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I guess rent doesn't increase where you live? or you own your own home? My rent went up 80.00 per month recently so I had to drop my monthly subscription. I'm also in Canada so the monthly sub is over $20.00 per month - still not a lot yes but when you're trying to find an extra 80.00 per month, game subs go first.

I bought several expensive houses in ESO in years past so yes I'd like to be able to have the upper limit for furnishings in those I paid cash for. I don't think that's an outrageous ask. When my financial situation changes I will re-sub again and still log in daily. I don't think I'm 'owed' anything special outside of just being able to fully enjoy the houses I paid cash for. The ones that were free or that I paid in game cash for, I'm fine with the housing limit being halved.

LucyferLightbringer · June 6

carly wrote: »

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

Sorry but i do not buy the idea of people buying crowns to buy houses and furnishings, but not wanting to pay for subscription.
Why? Simple, one of the cheapest options to get crowns is.... buying subscription. 1500 crowns is 14.99. You know what else is 14.99 yup a month of subscription which comes with 1650 crowns!

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I guess rent doesn't increase where you live? or you own your own home? My rent went up 80.00 per month recently so I had to drop my monthly subscription. I'm also in Canada so the monthly sub is over $20.00 per month - still not a lot yes but when you're trying to find an extra 80.00 per month, game subs go first.

I bought several expensive houses in ESO in years past so yes I'd like to be able to have the upper limit for furnishings in those I paid cash for. I don't think that's an outrageous ask. When my financial situation changes I will re-sub again and still log in daily. I don't think I'm 'owed' anything special outside of just being able to fully enjoy the houses I paid cash for. The ones that were free or that I paid in game cash for, I'm fine with the housing limit being halved.

I can agree with you that houses bought with crowns should not have the item limit restriction based on ESO+

BenjaminGasper · June 22

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

Sorry but i do not buy the idea of people buying crowns to buy houses and furnishings, but not wanting to pay for subscription.
Why? Simple, one of the cheapest options to get crowns is.... buying subscription. 1500 crowns is 14.99. You know what else is 14.99 yup a month of subscription which comes with 1650 crowns!

So lets say you want to buy notable house so you need to buy the highest pack. You could either get 21k crowns for 149,99$ wich gives 140 crowns per dollar, or you could just subscribe for 12 months of eso plus get all the perks and 19800 crowns for 139,99$ which makes 141 crowns for dollar.

It just makes no sense to buy crown pack without buying subscription first.

While i agree the house item limit should go up atleast by 200% i do not believe people who do not pay money to help the game stay afloat should be getting any of the perks paying customers get.

Your math is correct. But let's not forget that many many housing enthusiasts were helping game 'stay afloat' for years before they quit or decided to take a very long break due to not being able to fully enjoy their houses during 'lean months'.
As other people mentioned, sometimes real life circumstances change ( less money, or simply less time).
I know people who quit the game for good despite having tons of gold and crowns in their accounts, because they were discouraged by the fact that they couldnt even move a thing in their houses during the time when they didnt have eso+ active.

Aelorin · June 28

The biggest incentive to get ESO plus for most people is the craft bag + extra bank slots.

I myself love housing too, so I'm very happy with the extra housing slots.

I now have 2 houses to store my not used furniture.

I would be ok with
- same upgraded slots for everyone
- furniture bag which can hold X items and does not count to your inventory or bank space for ESOplus.

Kappachi · June 29

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Yeah personally I think at the very least... the expensive houses that we *buy with crowns* should come with all slots unlocked.

Houses, just like anything else can be gifted by crowns. I assume most players earn the gold in-game, then pay for the house with gold rather than crowns, still a crown transaction but they didn't get any money from 'you' the purchaser, in most cases.