Necro Blastbones is getting the Templar jabs U35 treatment

KainedED · February 20

Do not go forward with this, please you are once again destroying a beloved part of a class.

If you wanted to do this you should have reworked the least used version ( Blighted ) instead of the most popular Stalking.

If you're a combat dev please read the room, these changes are for the most part universally disliked.

Nothing wrong with what you are trying to do but you're going about it the very wrong way.

FlamingBeard · February 20

ZOS is a bunch of corpo dev roleplayers. They operate more as a pyramid scheme to scam customers than a game developer.

Dot meta, Templar nerfs, Necro gutting, are all consistent with someone very important in that part of the company having ZERO accountability.

(to be clear these aren't the worst examples but I quit for 3ish years, and these were the first I had in mind)

Necrotech_Master · February 20

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

still not sure how to take the blastbones change, thats a complete overhaul that still needs a lot of work to be functional

KlauthWarthog · February 20

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

Jab damage is basically being carried by the maelstrom 2h sword nowadays.

Regarding the changes to blastbones... well... I am not sure if it could be any worse, but I am sure they are creative enough to prove me wrong in the next couple weeks.

Necrotech_Master · February 21

Dekrypted wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

Silver shards and lethal arrow do more damage than jabs in some of the recent parses I've seen. It's just a bad version of what it used to be. You guys did get 100% gutted for one of the morphs.

For sure you're going to get the templar treatment. Next chapter is Scribing! Talk about building hype, right?

i was playing templar pre-u35 too, the jabs changes did not really change my dmg output at all

i also still prefer that skill as a spammable over something like silver shards because it doesnt require a target to use

xthrshx · February 21

Jabs got obliterated in U35. There’s no debate there.

And as a Templar main (when I used to play), this necro nerf honestly looks even worse.

The arrogance of pushing these changes though despite unanimous opposition from paying customers is just hilarious.

IncultaWolf · February 21

Remember guys, this is a paid class...smh

brandsnipe · February 21

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Dekrypted wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

Silver shards and lethal arrow do more damage than jabs in some of the recent parses I've seen. It's just a bad version of what it used to be. You guys did get 100% gutted for one of the morphs.

For sure you're going to get the templar treatment. Next chapter is Scribing! Talk about building hype, right?

i was playing templar pre-u35 too, the jabs changes did not really change my dmg output at all

i also still prefer that skill as a spammable over something like silver shards because it doesnt require a target to use

Exactly. Templar still has A LOT going for it.

KainedED · February 21

brandsnipe wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Dekrypted wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

Silver shards and lethal arrow do more damage than jabs in some of the recent parses I've seen. It's just a bad version of what it used to be. You guys did get 100% gutted for one of the morphs.

For sure you're going to get the templar treatment. Next chapter is Scribing! Talk about building hype, right?

i was playing templar pre-u35 too, the jabs changes did not really change my dmg output at all

i also still prefer that skill as a spammable over something like silver shards because it doesnt require a target to use

Exactly. Templar still has A LOT going for it.

Now this is entirely wrong, Jabs had its power budget a long with a few other skills redistributed to Radiant Oppression.

Yes your DPS did not shift much in terms of output; however not acknowledging the fact 70% of your DPS is entirely tied to your execution phase where radiant oppression becomes your spammable is absolutely disingenuous.

Jabs is nowhere near where it was prior, even with VMA 2H the tooltip still off about 1500

This playstyle is lazy, boring, unimaginative and unfun period.

This is what Necromancer players are afraid of having their class become.

lostineternity · February 21

Dekrypted wrote: »

You guys are missing the point. Scribing

Good strategy. If you want to fix your class (that we intentinaly broke) just buy a new chapter or previous chapter with arcanist.

Iuppiterr · February 21

Do you guys remember the time where everybody said: "Ahhh templar soo easy to play, just jab jab jab jab" Yea, nobody says that nowadays, but cope your way into thinking that its still a good spell all you want.

moo_2021 · February 21

It was already weak back then, pretty much a noob training button in overland to keep me alive.

gariondavey · February 21

I almost made this very thread. Come join us templars in suffering, my necro brothers.

ssewallb14_ESO · February 21

lostineternity wrote: »

Dekrypted wrote: »

You guys are missing the point. Scribing

Good strategy. If you want to fix your class (that we intentinaly broke) just buy a new chapter or previous chapter with arcanist.

I think maybe that's genuinely the business model they're going for now, over the prior several years of set power creep and a chapter minigame? I can't think of any other reason for the stuff that's been happening.

KainedED · February 21

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

lostineternity wrote: »

Dekrypted wrote: »

You guys are missing the point. Scribing

Good strategy. If you want to fix your class (that we intentinaly broke) just buy a new chapter or previous chapter with arcanist.

I think maybe that's genuinely the business model they're going for now, over the prior several years of set power creep and a chapter minigame? I can't think of any other reason for the stuff that's been happening.

Power creep reduction would be a reasonable explanation if they weren't overloading DK/NB kits every patch and making already over preforming classes stronger.

NB by design is poorly done, anything that front loads 80% of your damage in to one ability that's not an ultimate is bad gameplay and design.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · February 22

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

still not sure how to take the blastbones change, thats a complete overhaul that still needs a lot of work to be functional

Jabs compiled damage output was nerfed by about 66% in update 35 though with the massive nerf to burning light proc & damage reduction, jabs moving from 4 jabs to 3 jabs, AND then the general damage nerf to jabs skill itself.

It has made Templar FEEL and LOOK like a wet noodle.

Wise_Will · February 22

My Templar which was my main for years and i used to enjoy it, now it just feels like a fart fighting against a tornado. the ruined him

Necrotech_Master · February 22

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

still not sure how to take the blastbones change, thats a complete overhaul that still needs a lot of work to be functional

Jabs compiled damage output was nerfed by about 66% in update 35 though with the massive nerf to burning light proc & damage reduction, jabs moving from 4 jabs to 3 jabs, AND then the general damage nerf to jabs skill itself.

It has made Templar FEEL and LOOK like a wet noodle.

it hasnt really felt any different to me

and my dps before and after the change (outside executes) stayed roughly the same

a little more on topic to the thread, i see the change to blastbones as apples to oranges with the jabs change, because the blastbones change is a complete overhaul in functionality, not simple an animation change and a few other skill tweaks

brandsnipe · February 22

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

still not sure how to take the blastbones change, thats a complete overhaul that still needs a lot of work to be functional

Jabs compiled damage output was nerfed by about 66% in update 35 though with the massive nerf to burning light proc & damage reduction, jabs moving from 4 jabs to 3 jabs, AND then the general damage nerf to jabs skill itself.

It has made Templar FEEL and LOOK like a wet noodle.

I saw an argonian magplar dueling in wayrest and wrecked everyone. Even playing plar myself, jabs might could get a buff but the class still feels good.

moo_2021 · February 22

brandsnipe wrote: »

I saw an argonian magplar dueling in wayrest and wrecked everyone. Even playing plar myself, jabs might could get a buff but the class still feels good.

good pvp player can beat anyone with any class.

necro's toolkit is already lacking in pvp because anything corpse based is impractical, unless they are changed to be somehow collected or dragged around the player (i.e. like crux). For every deaths caused by necro, blastbone is always the one and the only class skill.

would arcanist still be playable if generated crux just lies on the ground? absolutely not! Yet somehow they can't understand the simple problem. Probably never play pvp or the kind of dungeons where bosses teleport a lot.

merpins · February 22

Dekrypted wrote: »

Templar mains: "One of us. One of us. One of us."

One of us. One of us. One of-

merpins · February 22

Iuppiterr wrote: »

Do you guys remember the time where everybody said: "Ahhh templar soo easy to play, just jab jab jab jab" Yea, nobody says that nowadays, but cope your way into thinking that its still a good spell all you want.

Players don't like the beam playstyle. Players liked the Jabs playstyle. damage didn't change, but where the damage comes from did, and that effected how it feels to play the class.

Iuppiterr · February 22

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

still not sure how to take the blastbones change, thats a complete overhaul that still needs a lot of work to be functional

Jabs compiled damage output was nerfed by about 66% in update 35 though with the massive nerf to burning light proc & damage reduction, jabs moving from 4 jabs to 3 jabs, AND then the general damage nerf to jabs skill itself.

It has made Templar FEEL and LOOK like a wet noodle.

it hasnt really felt any different to me

and my dps before and after the change (outside executes) stayed roughly the same

a little more on topic to the thread, i see the change to blastbones as apples to oranges with the jabs change, because the blastbones change is a complete overhaul in functionality, not simple an animation change and a few other skill tweaks

Probably because they buffed the buffs on the Raid Dummy by A LOT in the same patch

Necrotech_Master · February 22

Iuppiterr wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

still not sure how to take the blastbones change, thats a complete overhaul that still needs a lot of work to be functional

Jabs compiled damage output was nerfed by about 66% in update 35 though with the massive nerf to burning light proc & damage reduction, jabs moving from 4 jabs to 3 jabs, AND then the general damage nerf to jabs skill itself.

It has made Templar FEEL and LOOK like a wet noodle.

it hasnt really felt any different to me

and my dps before and after the change (outside executes) stayed roughly the same

a little more on topic to the thread, i see the change to blastbones as apples to oranges with the jabs change, because the blastbones change is a complete overhaul in functionality, not simple an animation change and a few other skill tweaks

Probably because they buffed the buffs on the Raid Dummy by A LOT in the same patch

i dont test dps on dummies, i use actual WBs, or combat metrics logs from trial boss fights

dummy parsing is kind of meaningless to me unless your practicing rotations or new skill setups for a character and your making quick changes you want to check

Mesite · February 22

I use Blighted Blastbones but I'm worried about what comes next if this first change goes through. What will they do with my Blastbones next patch? Probably turn it into some sort of beam.

VanLo83 · February 22

Mesite wrote: »

I use Blighted Blastbones but I'm worried about what comes next if this first change goes through. What will they do with my Blastbones next patch? Probably turn it into some sort of beam.

If it's like the Arcanist beam I wouldn't mind really :P

moo_2021 · February 22

VanLo83 wrote: »

Mesite wrote: »

I use Blighted Blastbones but I'm worried about what comes next if this first change goes through. What will they do with my Blastbones next patch? Probably turn it into some sort of beam.

If it's like the Arcanist beam I wouldn't mind really :P

beam is not good in pvp.

delayed skeletons hitting stunned enemy and exploding to everyone nearby are much better.

brandsnipe · February 22

Dekrypted wrote: »

brandsnipe wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

jabs functionality didnt change though, just doesnt look the best lol

still use it on my templar because its still a good spammable

still not sure how to take the blastbones change, thats a complete overhaul that still needs a lot of work to be functional

Jabs compiled damage output was nerfed by about 66% in update 35 though with the massive nerf to burning light proc & damage reduction, jabs moving from 4 jabs to 3 jabs, AND then the general damage nerf to jabs skill itself.

It has made Templar FEEL and LOOK like a wet noodle.

I saw an argonian magplar dueling in wayrest and wrecked everyone. Even playing plar myself, jabs might could get a buff but the class still feels good.

People running dueling builds isn't really a solid representation of the overall player experience when using the class.

Really the justification of a class preforming well in duels doesn't make sense if the class leaves alot to be desired everywhere else.

The class feels awful to play compared to where it was. Does it still do "basically" the same thing? Yeah sure. Does it feel good using? No. I even made a thread about this patches ago: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/discussion/638068/here-we-are-again-talking-about-templar/p1

Simply put, the OP doesn't want to have necromancers with the change to blastbones receive the same treatment of "make a change, and then buff nightblade and ignore any blowback of said change" like it was with templars when they "reworked" backlash neutering it's consistency in pvp, or softening the impact of jabs and burning light while overloading its execute before they simply just went on to buff other classes that didn't need the help in pvp, but got it anyways.

I play magplar often and was my main back before switching from xbox to pc. I remember how purifying light would copy up to nearly 30k of my damage, it was OP. I still feel good playing magplar in all types of content. Now i really hated the total dark morph changes.. and you could CC break total dark..

xthrshx · February 23

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

it hasnt really felt any different to me

and my dps before and after the change (outside executes) stayed roughly the same

There’s no way your non-execute DPS stayed the same. If it did, your DPS including execute would have increased by like 40%. And if that’s the case, your rotation is so far from optimal that it’s not even relevant. You’re probably ignoring the fact that the dummy gives more buffs/debuffs now, so you’re comparing completely different scenarios.

It’s literally a fact that Templar DPS has been backloaded into execute. It’s why parses start beaming at 40% now. Jabs damage, including procs, has been obliterated. (And it’s the worst animation I have ever seen in any game.)

FlamingBeard · February 23

xthrshx wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

it hasnt really felt any different to me

and my dps before and after the change (outside executes) stayed roughly the same

There’s no way your non-execute DPS stayed the same. If it did, your DPS including execute would have increased by like 40%. And if that’s the case, your rotation is so far from optimal that it’s not even relevant. You’re probably ignoring the fact that the dummy gives more buffs/debuffs now, so you’re comparing completely different scenarios.

It’s literally a fact that Templar DPS has been backloaded into execute. It’s why parses start beaming at 40% now. Jabs damage, including procs, has been obliterated. (And it’s the worst animation I have ever seen in any game.)

it was actually pretty rampant back when the trial dummies were "buffed" (as in optimized more for dps testing) that any nerfs that happened around then were disputed because parse tests made it look like DPS went up, but in actual content it dropped.

brandsnipe · February 24

xthrshx wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

it hasnt really felt any different to me

and my dps before and after the change (outside executes) stayed roughly the same

There’s no way your non-execute DPS stayed the same. If it did, your DPS including execute would have increased by like 40%. And if that’s the case, your rotation is so far from optimal that it’s not even relevant. You’re probably ignoring the fact that the dummy gives more buffs/debuffs now, so you’re comparing completely different scenarios.

It’s literally a fact that Templar DPS has been backloaded into execute. It’s why parses start beaming at 40% now. Jabs damage, including procs, has been obliterated. (And it’s the worst animation I have ever seen in any game.)

My plars damage is just fine. My necros is not.