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Nightblade pvp rotation

ClevererHail6
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When taking advantage of nb passives in pvp I struggle with the rotation. I wear one defensive set, 4 heavy armor, one offensive set. In my experience, the major resolve doesn’t last long enough. I can’t keep my eyes off my timers and just be in the fight. The other source of major resolve, equilibrium, costs too much health for dps in a pvp environment.
If you want to go glass cannon on the blade that is still viable: lots of damage and have to use cloak. But playing another way causes difficulties in rotation.

TL;DR In general the class is getting better. But its suffers from a steady source of major resolve and a difficult rotation in pvp.
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  • sh4d0wh4z3
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    You get major resolve on a nightblade whenever you use any shadow skill, and nightblades usually use concealed weapon as their spammable. Every single time you cast a shadow skill, you get 6 seconds of major resolve, but it increases per piece of heavy armor you have on. You have 4 on, so you're getting 12 seconds of major resolve whenever you use your spammable, cloak, paths, or shade. Since it's so on demand, you don't have to worry about it.
  • Jestir
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    With 4 heavy if you don't use concealed weapon just run refreshing path, both will have a 12 second up time so you will just have to cast path when it expires
  • hypnoticbeast
    For the love of god DO NOT USE 4 HEAVEY. You only need 2 Nirn Honed. And yes you need to use concealed weapon and or surprise attack for MR to stay up THERE is no way around it. Quit trying to bring back the ALL TANKS ALL THE TIME [snip] in PVP people. 9 sec is all you need if you use the Spam. I put a post on this already. Please quit with the misleading [snip].

    [edited for profanity bypass]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 10, 2024 6:51PM
  • FoJul
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    I can't even say much on this. MR has never been a problem for me on nightblade, as on all my builds i have 100% uptime on it. During a fight that is.

    If you think rotation is hard on nightblade. I advise you to stay away from Templar/Necro/Warden/and Sorc.

    If it becomes to much of a problem just wear the Mighty chudan set. Its really popular amongst sorcs. IMO its a waste on NB but if it's your issue maybe try Mighty Chudan Monster.
  • katorga
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    FoJul wrote: »
    If it becomes to much of a problem just wear the Mighty chudan set. Its really popular amongst sorcs.

    It is not popular. Sorc's are forced to wear it to free up a skill slot because they cannot fit their rotation on the bars.

    A NB will want to cast shadowy every 6 seconds or less to get the 300 wep/spell damage from vamp passives, it also gets you major resolve. A non-issue.

    NB is simple, 4 skills: merciless resolve + spammable, a source of major brutality, and shadowy for the buffs and 100% crit rate when merciless is ready to rock. Everything else is flex.

  • FoJul
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    katorga wrote: »
    FoJul wrote: »
    If it becomes to much of a problem just wear the Mighty chudan set. Its really popular amongst sorcs.

    It is not popular. Sorc's are forced to wear it to free up a skill slot because they cannot fit their rotation on the bars.

    A NB will want to cast shadowy every 6 seconds or less to get the 300 wep/spell damage from vamp passives, it also gets you major resolve. A non-issue.

    NB is simple, 4 skills: merciless resolve + spammable, a source of major brutality, and shadowy for the buffs and 100% crit rate when merciless is ready to rock. Everything else is flex.

    It is popular, most sorcs are wearing it. The only reason i recommended, was because this particular person struggles with the uptime.

    Don't take my words out of context, In the first sentence i stated I have 100% uptime MR. I'll add now my uptime is pretty high on other buffs too, as Nightblade rotation is easier than ever. Just your spammable alone does most of the work. That is for melee versions.

    You don't have to teach me how to play nightblade as i have probably played the class longer than you have. I just simply gave an easy solution to the OPs issue.
  • gariondavey
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    For the love of god DO NOT USE 4 HEAVEY. You only need 2 Nirn Honed. And yes you need to use concealed weapon and or surprise attack for MR to stay up THERE is no way around it. Quit trying to bring back the ALL TANKS ALL THE TIME BS in PVP people. 9 sec is all you need if you use the Spam. I put a post on this already. Please quit with the misleading [snip].

    Nobody uses nirnhorned on armor in pvp

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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 10, 2024 6:51PM
    PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden
  • Dekrypted
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    sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »
    You get major resolve on a nightblade whenever you use any shadow skill, and nightblades usually use concealed weapon as their spammable. Every single time you cast a shadow skill, you get 6 seconds of major resolve, but it increases per piece of heavy armor you have on. You have 4 on, so you're getting 12 seconds of major resolve whenever you use your spammable, cloak, paths, or shade. Since it's so on demand, you don't have to worry about it.
    Jestir wrote: »
    With 4 heavy if you don't use concealed weapon just run refreshing path, both will have a 12 second up time so you will just have to cast path when it expires

    These are the most correct solution I see in this thread. Just don't like that it's all you can sorta do though. :( The way nightblades access minor resolve compared to the other classes is something I've never been a fan of. In almost 10 years of playing, I've just never liked it.
    For the love of god DO NOT USE 4 HEAVEY. You only need 2 Nirn Honed. And yes you need to use concealed weapon and or surprise attack for MR to stay up THERE is no way around it. Quit trying to bring back the ALL TANKS ALL THE TIME [snip] in PVP people. 9 sec is all you need if you use the Spam. I put a post on this already. Please quit with the misleading [snip].

    Nobody uses nirnhorned on armor in pvp

    They sometimes use it on a weapon and thats about it 😂 Not a real alternative.

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 10, 2024 6:52PM
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  • ClevererHail6
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    Dekrypted wrote: »
    sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »
    You get major resolve on a nightblade whenever you use any shadow skill, and nightblades usually use concealed weapon as their spammable. Every single time you cast a shadow skill, you get 6 seconds of major resolve, but it increases per piece of heavy armor you have on. You have 4 on, so you're getting 12 seconds of major resolve whenever you use your spammable, cloak, paths, or shade. Since it's so on demand, you don't have to worry about it.
    Jestir wrote: »
    With 4 heavy if you don't use concealed weapon just run refreshing path, both will have a 12 second up time so you will just have to cast path when it expires

    These are the most correct solution I see in this thread. Just don't like that it's all you can sorta do though. :( The way nightblades access minor resolve compared to the other classes is something I've never been a fan of. In almost 10 years of playing, I've just never liked it.”

    First, thanks for responding. I actually like that resolve and evasion are together. That is an example of something that helps with rotation. But even with that I panic when major resolve falls off.
    I stop at 4 heavy because I get too slow in pvp. No complaints there, I think it’s part of balance. Yes, requiring heavy armor is a step in the right direction so nb doesnt get OP…im admitting that as someone who plays a night blade. I also sit at 30K health. 34k spell resist/30K physical resist buffed.
    I don’t have these survival issues on my sorc or templar. They hit harder and if a buff falls off I dont have to panic lol.
    DKs and templars have ruled due to balance. Warden has been the easiest, gets me the most kills with dual BOW build NO cloak? Im not sure what else ZOS can do to balance it.
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  • ClevererHail6
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    For the love of god DO NOT USE 4 HEAVEY. You only need 2 Nirn Honed. And yes you need to use concealed weapon and or surprise attack for MR to stay up THERE is no way around it. Quit trying to bring back the ALL TANKS ALL THE TIME [snip] in PVP people. 9 sec is all you need if you use the Spam. I put a post on this already. Please quit with the misleading [snip].

    Who are you?

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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 10, 2024 6:53PM
    After Tomb Raider Guild
    Daggerfall Covenant
  • hypnoticbeast
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  • Remathilis
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    For the love of god DO NOT USE 4 HEAVEY. You only need 2 Nirn Honed. And yes you need to use concealed weapon and or surprise attack for MR to stay up THERE is no way around it. Quit trying to bring back the ALL TANKS ALL THE TIME [snip] in PVP people. 9 sec is all you need if you use the Spam. I put a post on this already. Please quit with the misleading [snip].

    [edited for profanity bypass]

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  • NyassaV
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    Because of how The Spectral Bow proc works you don't exactly have a rotation. It's dynamic and you have to adapt.

    Dragon Knight on the other hand has a lot more of a stable rotation if that is what you are looking for.
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