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This game is too imbalanced to continue playing

Largomets
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Just as the title suggests. I've played since the game launched, always hoping for balances and improvements. [Snip]. As a result, the formerly vibrant community of many nice and fun players working to hone skill has been replaced with a dwindling community in both numbers and quality, [Snip]

They can't even collect 1k competitive players anymore per season, and the people left behind largely aren't the ones I would have wanted to stay. There's just no point investing further time in a game [Snip]. Such a shame. There was so much potential here.

[Edited for baiting and bashing]
Edited by ZOS_Kevin on November 7, 2024 10:35AM
  • Personofsecrets
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    Unfortunately, making the calculation that legacy players are okay to sacrifice in order to make slight gains among the non-invested is an all too common plan for design teams. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what is going on in TOT as well. I wonder if there is also this player dip in Casual and NPC formats.
    Don't tank

    "In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel
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    Just had a game where the opponent, on their 1st turn, purchased Bardic AND Vestments. (Thanks devs)

    The only card I could purchase on my 1st turn was Lesson of Ayem. That was despite there being Ritecaller in the Tavern. Of course, as we know, it's very fun and interactive to draw into war drum and have no use for the extra coin that one get's player 2.

    Of course, the opponent then gets the first chance to get 6 gold and are quite likely to. So they snap up another powerful game warping card.

    The designers enable this type of non-gameplay and it's absolutely disgusting.

    Update:

    It also seems like the 1st/2nd player was possibly changed, but is still absolutely broken. Of course we will never have any discussion about this because why would the designers actually have an open conversation with the players?
    Edited by Personofsecrets on January 31, 2024 2:39AM
    Don't tank

    "In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel
  • Largomets
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    I mean, we're talking about the dev team that on 2 different occasions in this game's history (that I'm aware of), the single most difficult achievement in the game for the era (vMA and Planesbreaker respectively) were bugged out and not awarding titles to the few elite players at the time that could do it. And their response was not to quickly fix the problem, apologize, and compensate. Their response was to initially deny it was even broken and then eventually said "well if you're so good, just do it again."

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    Edited by ZOS_Volpe on January 31, 2024 9:14PM
  • Personofsecrets
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    Largomets wrote: »
    I mean, we're talking about the dev team that on 2 different occasions in this game's history (that I'm aware of), the single most difficult achievement in the game for the era (vMA and Planesbreaker respectively) were bugged out and not awarding titles to the few elite players at the time that could do it. And their response was not to quickly fix the problem, apologize, and compensate. Their response was to initially deny it was even broken and then eventually said "well if you're so good, just do it again."

    [Snip]

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    Recently I published a thread about why there is poor balance. [Snip]

    I'm not projecting that idea onto Irenio or John since I don't know them at all. Just commenting that elitism (along with nepotism which reinforces the elitism), seems like an industry norm and could explain the dead airwaves between the classes of players and developers.

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    Edited by ZOS_Volpe on January 31, 2024 9:15PM
    Don't tank

    "In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel
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    There are a number of poorly balanced aspects of TOT that one must conclude that they are the purpose of the game. Maybe it's to give one player a cheap thrill as they smother someone else. But there is no way that the balance problems aren't fully understood and intentional.
    Don't tank

    "In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel
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    khajiit enjoys popcorn when he listens in on two friends discussing weighty and serious topics.

    -swat- -pop- -swat-.
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    GM of Imperial Gold Reserve trading guild (started in 2017) since 2/2022
  • Sungod
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    " There's just no point investing further time in a game "

    Yet I still see you playing.

  • reazea
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    I agree. No reason to play ToT. It's not worth the time or the electricity it costs to play.
  • WitchyKiki
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    I'm just bored now, and the fact that the tavern has handed wins to my opponent for two days in a row. So I haven't been able to claim my daily coffer. Quite the luck.
    Context is for kings -Captain Gabriel Lorca
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    WitchyKiki wrote: »
    I'm just bored now, and the fact that the tavern has handed wins to my opponent for two days in a row. So I haven't been able to claim my daily coffer. Quite the luck.

    I'm on the same kind of streak. Two days in a row of Tavern brick wall against every opponent. Then, the one good match I was having, my puppy had an emergency so I ended up losing out on playing a hand and it decided the match in the end because there was no recovering (puppy was/is fine, which is the more important part, but shows my poop luck right now).

    The most amazing game - which I am unsure whether to rage into eternity or be impressed at the RNG - was one where I had literally won the game, seemingly, 40-5 in prestige. On the last hand, between Rahjiin prestige bullets and an absolute endless amount of luck whereby my opponent got to play every Druid and Pelin agent they ever got that entire match PLUS had Pelin contract agents constantly pop up in the Tavern that they could buy with their 8 million Druid gold, they managed to knock me out of 40 prestige and build a literal power blocking wall of agents that ultimately killed me by the hand after because all my power went to killing these agents, meanwhile the Tavern kept rewarding them with power contract cards and Pelin contract agent cards to come back and beat me.

    After 40-5, which should have ended the match. It was very tempting to just uninstall ESO at that point. But, nah, the game definitely isn't imbalanced or anything...
    PS5 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 500+). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
  • WitchyKiki
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    I mean, I do have to give it to RNG. The past 3 days Ive won 1 game. The tavern has seriously been handing my opponents all the right cards, I can't compete with that. I've been playing since launch, I'm a good player and consistently on the top on competitive. The last 3 days have really made me realize how RNG is a huge factor on this game.
    Context is for kings -Captain Gabriel Lorca
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    First match of the day, going well finally, and ESO server boots me to main menu claiming to check my Internet connection. My Internet that is replaying a meeting just fine, so my wonderful luck yet again showing up.

    Another ranked loss and now a 10- minute deserter penalty thanks to ZOS’s servers.
    PS5 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 500+). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
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    First match of the day, going well finally, and ESO server boots me to main menu claiming to check my Internet connection. My Internet that is replaying a meeting just fine, so my wonderful luck yet again showing up.

    Another ranked loss and now a 10- minute deserter penalty thanks to ZOS’s servers.

    @DragonRacer what server are you on? I've been getting booted a lot to main menu lately and my Internet is running everything else just fine. I'm on PSN.
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    First match of the day, going well finally, and ESO server boots me to main menu claiming to check my Internet connection. My Internet that is replaying a meeting just fine, so my wonderful luck yet again showing up.

    Another ranked loss and now a 10- minute deserter penalty thanks to ZOS’s servers.

    @DragonRacer what server are you on? I've been getting booted a lot to main menu lately and my Internet is running everything else just fine. I'm on PSN.

    PS5 NA

    I think we actually share a guild. LOL
    PS5 NA. GM of The PTK's - a free trading guild (CP 500+). Also a werewolf, bites are free when they're available. PSN = DragonRacer13
  • spartaxoxo
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    First match of the day, going well finally, and ESO server boots me to main menu claiming to check my Internet connection. My Internet that is replaying a meeting just fine, so my wonderful luck yet again showing up.

    Another ranked loss and now a 10- minute deserter penalty thanks to ZOS’s servers.

    @DragonRacer what server are you on? I've been getting booted a lot to main menu lately and my Internet is running everything else just fine. I'm on PSN.

    PS5 NA

    I think we actually share a guild. LOL

    Oh 😅 woops! My bad. Haha.

    Well, that's why I haven't been on hardly any these last few days. LOL
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