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Will we Templar players at least get the courtesy of a explanation why we have been ignored for u41?

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As someone who has had a main plar character for the 5 years I’ve been playing eso I was aghast to read the patch notes and not see a single note regarding changes to Templar for u41.

If you have a reason for this that’s fine but I think we templars deserve to know said reason why we are being ostracised?

And yes I noticed NB getting damage buffs AGAIN. It’s almost like you want pvp just to be night blades
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on February 4, 2024 9:24PM
  • Zezin
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    Templar is on a pretty good spot on PvE, can't say for PvP but from what I see it seems like it's also in a good spot there, no reason to change something that is doing good.
  • StarOfElyon
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    As someone who has had a main plar character for the 5 years I’ve been playing eso I was aghast to read the patch notes and not see a single note regarding changes to Templar for u41.

    If you have a reason for this that’s fine but I think we templars deserve to know said reason why we are being ostracised?

    And yes I noticed NB getting damage buffs AGAIN. It’s almost like you want pvp just to be night blades

    I almost they would have just ignored Necromancers. Be grateful.
  • Cooperharley
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    Templar supports haven't been looked at for 10 years. Templar tank needs a re-work. What are we doin' here?
  • Vahndamme
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    Templar are honestly in a very bad spot. Sure if you look at parses, the dmg seems fine. But everything is so beam heavy. Without the beam the entire class falls and yes in PvP.. try getting someone to execute range on your own ^^

    At least strong jabs were fun, beaming is just chillin entire fight and then pump at end. It's quite boring, Templar needs a more lineair dmg output. Now it's so heavy on the backend.

    Also, as said above.. jabs animation is still an eye sore.
  • Tyrant_Tim
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    I’m sure a great player, regardless of their class, can force themselves into a group, but nowhere on any of those lists were an “execute dd” referenced, nor Templar.

    People agree that Templar isn’t fun to play, and I can attest personally to the fact that it isn’t included in fully composed groups that are consistently hitting leaderboards, so what purpose does it have?
    Edited by Tyrant_Tim on January 30, 2024 7:53PM
  • Tyrant_Tim
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    Now, if Templar was anywhere near impactful in trials, your average every day trial rosters would have a slot for them, and that’s not the case.

    Any Templar DD looking for a spot on a roster would need to compete with DK and Arcanist cleave.

    Any Templar Healer would need to compete with the buff-centric Wardens and ult-gen’o’holic Nightblades.

    Any Templar Tank would need to compete with a brain-dead easy DK with Stagger or with ridiculous DoT mitigation and crazy ult-gen Sax-PA Necromancers.

    Right now, they don’t. Nothing about Update 41 yet has indicated a shift in that regard.
  • Nilandia
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
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    I’m sure a great player, regardless of their class, can force themselves into a group, but nowhere on any of those lists were an “execute dd” referenced, nor Templar.

    People agree that Templar isn’t fun to play, and I can attest personally to the fact that it isn’t included in fully composed groups that are consistently hitting leaderboards, so what purpose does it have?

    I went to ESOLogs to check for team scores. It's not a complete sample because not everyone is a part of a team or posts public logs, but it paints a decent picture. All scores are from the current patch.

    21 of the top 25 team scores posted this patch in Sanity's Edge have at least 1 templar DPS, sometimes 2 https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/17#metric=score

    15 of the top 25 team scores in Dreadsail Reef have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/16#metric=score

    11 of the top 25 team scores in Kyne's Aegis have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/14#metric=score

    12 of the top 25 team scores in Sunspire have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/12#metric=score

    15 of the top 25 team scores in Hel Ra Citadel have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/2#metric=score

    13 of the top 25 team scores in Aetherian Archive have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/1#metric=score

    Templars were rarer in Rockgrove, Cloudrest, Asylum Sanctorium, Halls of Fabrication, Maw of Lorkhaj, and Sanctum Ophidia. But they were still present even then. The top 2 scores in Rockgrove, for example, have a templar DPS.

    Yes, arcanists are plentiful. They're currently having their moment in the sun. I have one myself that I bring to Rockgrove hard mode. But I also cleared Sanity's Edge hard mode on a templar, where I was the execute specialist. In the Discord servers I'm in, veteran hard mode PUG trial rosters will outright list a slot for templars.

    So if you still believe templars have no place in PVE, I don't know what to tell you. That's by far not the case of my own experience.
  • ElderSmitter
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    Zezin wrote: »
    Templar is on a pretty good spot on PvE, can't say for PvP but from what I see it seems like it's also in a good spot there, no reason to change something that is doing good.

    Templar healers used to be a thing when stronger heals were necessary, but now it’s all about buff chasing, and Templar provides nothing.

    The class is non-existent in the Healer and Tank role for PvE, and only accepted as a DD in very niché situations. You’re better served by a Warden, Dragonknight, and Arcanist, respectively.

    You are always hating on Templar Tanks. It Cracks me up. I run vet Trials all the time with my Templar Tank as a MT and OT. I love my Templar Tank and would not change to any other class. Maybe you're in a specific Group chasing Buffs but none of the Trials I run or Lead care what class you use. There is enough class and Set diversity that if you cannot clear content with a 12 Man group, you're not clearing it lol...
  • ElderSmitter
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    Now, if Templar was anywhere near impactful in trials, your average every day trial rosters would have a slot for them, and that’s not the case.

    Any Templar DD looking for a spot on a roster would need to compete with DK and Arcanist cleave.

    Any Templar Healer would need to compete with the buff-centric Wardens and ult-gen’o’holic Nightblades.

    Any Templar Tank would need to compete with a brain-dead easy DK with Stagger or with ridiculous DoT mitigation and crazy ult-gen Sax-PA Necromancers.

    Right now, they don’t. Nothing about Update 41 yet has indicated a shift in that regard.

    You said this same thing to me about endless Archives lol... You just do not like Templar's. Let me tell you a little secret about Templar's. Factual. Most players chase Meta and have no Idea how to build a Proper Templar Character. That is the sole problem. Cheers!
  • ElderSmitter
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    @ElderSmitter, I love Templar.

    My main is a Templar Nord. There is nothing I want more from ESO, than to have Templar tanking a sought after thing within the game.

    Bringing attention to a problem is one thing, but I’ve an entire thread dedicated to helping provide potential solutions to the playstyle within this very forum subcategory…

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/639316/sun-shield-rework-when/p1

    While I understand it might be frustrating to hear that your preferred playstyle is lacking, it does it a disservice to claim otherwise because perfectly fine options don’t receive attention, and man could Templar tank use some love.

    No, I speak the truth. A Majority of Templar's Tanks and DPS do not know how to build a proper Templar. It is simple as that.
  • Tyrant_Tim
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    @ElderSmitter, I love Templar.

    My main is a Templar Nord. There is nothing I want more from ESO, than to have Templar tanking a sought after thing within the game.

    Bringing attention to a problem is one thing, but I’ve an entire thread dedicated to helping provide potential solutions to the playstyle within this very forum subcategory…

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/639316/sun-shield-rework-when/p1

    While I understand it might be frustrating to hear that your preferred playstyle is lacking, it does it a disservice to claim otherwise because perfectly fine options don’t receive attention, and man could Templar tank use some love.

    No, I speak the truth. A Majority of Templar's Tanks and DPS do not know how to build a proper Templar. It is simple as that.

    There are more than enough resources available that show peak performance of each class, from gear setups and parses to replicate, to ability loadout swapping per encounter and in depth support build videos…

    https://youtu.be/-_KRs7UClQU?si=ShCLZr89FjOlvHTz
    https://youtu.be/Pf217OBW1Lc?si=bMni_8_Ht3Z22Cn-
    Just because something can be done, doesn’t mean it’s a great option. Every option should be in competition with each other if built properly and that isn’t the case, it doesn’t matter what you throw onto a Templar tank, it will NEVER compete with a Dragonknight or Necromancer.

    Not until we have some reworked skills.

    Also want to add that I promise that you don’t know some secret that everyone else is unaware of. ESO is a decade old, everything is played out and the end-game population has a grasp on how each and every minor change will throw a meta off, notice how many Nightblade healers are taking over for Templars, and how fast it happened.
    Edited by Tyrant_Tim on January 30, 2024 11:28PM
  • Leia98
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    Nilandia wrote: »
    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
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    I’m sure a great player, regardless of their class, can force themselves into a group, but nowhere on any of those lists were an “execute dd” referenced, nor Templar.

    People agree that Templar isn’t fun to play, and I can attest personally to the fact that it isn’t included in fully composed groups that are consistently hitting leaderboards, so what purpose does it have?

    I went to ESOLogs to check for team scores. It's not a complete sample because not everyone is a part of a team or posts public logs, but it paints a decent picture. All scores are from the current patch.

    21 of the top 25 team scores posted this patch in Sanity's Edge have at least 1 templar DPS, sometimes 2 https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/17#metric=score

    15 of the top 25 team scores in Dreadsail Reef have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/16#metric=score

    11 of the top 25 team scores in Kyne's Aegis have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/14#metric=score

    12 of the top 25 team scores in Sunspire have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/12#metric=score

    15 of the top 25 team scores in Hel Ra Citadel have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/2#metric=score

    13 of the top 25 team scores in Aetherian Archive have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/1#metric=score

    Templars were rarer in Rockgrove, Cloudrest, Asylum Sanctorium, Halls of Fabrication, Maw of Lorkhaj, and Sanctum Ophidia. But they were still present even then. The top 2 scores in Rockgrove, for example, have a templar DPS.

    Yes, arcanists are plentiful. They're currently having their moment in the sun. I have one myself that I bring to Rockgrove hard mode. But I also cleared Sanity's Edge hard mode on a templar, where I was the execute specialist. In the Discord servers I'm in, veteran hard mode PUG trial rosters will outright list a slot for templars.

    So if you still believe templars have no place in PVE, I don't know what to tell you. That's by far not the case of my own experience.

    I love the fact that you completely ignore the fact that templar supports are completely useless atm and just talk about dps as if it were the only role in this game

    Ofc templar dps is in a good spot atm, but supports are not. Templar tanks are literally one of the jokes of the community. Templar healers are lagging behind rn so yes, templar does need something to be a viable support
  • ElderSmitter
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    Leia98 wrote: »
    Nilandia wrote: »
    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
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    y9lx2eobwmpc.jpeg
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    I’m sure a great player, regardless of their class, can force themselves into a group, but nowhere on any of those lists were an “execute dd” referenced, nor Templar.

    People agree that Templar isn’t fun to play, and I can attest personally to the fact that it isn’t included in fully composed groups that are consistently hitting leaderboards, so what purpose does it have?

    I went to ESOLogs to check for team scores. It's not a complete sample because not everyone is a part of a team or posts public logs, but it paints a decent picture. All scores are from the current patch.

    21 of the top 25 team scores posted this patch in Sanity's Edge have at least 1 templar DPS, sometimes 2 https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/17#metric=score

    15 of the top 25 team scores in Dreadsail Reef have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/16#metric=score

    11 of the top 25 team scores in Kyne's Aegis have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/14#metric=score

    12 of the top 25 team scores in Sunspire have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/12#metric=score

    15 of the top 25 team scores in Hel Ra Citadel have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/2#metric=score

    13 of the top 25 team scores in Aetherian Archive have at least 1 templar DPS https://www.esologs.com/zone/rankings/1#metric=score

    Templars were rarer in Rockgrove, Cloudrest, Asylum Sanctorium, Halls of Fabrication, Maw of Lorkhaj, and Sanctum Ophidia. But they were still present even then. The top 2 scores in Rockgrove, for example, have a templar DPS.

    Yes, arcanists are plentiful. They're currently having their moment in the sun. I have one myself that I bring to Rockgrove hard mode. But I also cleared Sanity's Edge hard mode on a templar, where I was the execute specialist. In the Discord servers I'm in, veteran hard mode PUG trial rosters will outright list a slot for templars.

    So if you still believe templars have no place in PVE, I don't know what to tell you. That's by far not the case of my own experience.

    I love the fact that you completely ignore the fact that templar supports are completely useless atm and just talk about dps as if it were the only role in this game

    Ofc templar dps is in a good spot atm, but supports are not. Templar tanks are literally one of the jokes of the community. Templar healers are lagging behind rn so yes, templar does need something to be a viable support

    The Only reason Templar use took a dip is because of the Overpowered Arcanist was many converted Templars. It is not hard to see or know that. Arcanist and Templar are very similar as Beam and FC were very similar and used same sets and even CP. With Arcanist getting some Nerfs you will see many New Arcanist go back to their Templar's. As for Templar Tanks. Very Niche as I am a Templar Tank. You have to now how to build a Templar Tank. I love my Tank and can run any Vet Trial Content. BUT... Yes if you do not know how to build a proper Templar Tank you will fail.
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    As for Templar Tanks. Very Niche as I am a Templar Tank. You have to now how to build a Templar Tank. I love my Tank and can run any Vet Trial Content. BUT... Yes if you do not know how to build a proper Templar Tank you will fail.

    What’s your top secret super Templar tank build?
  • ElderSmitter
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    @ElderSmitter, I love Templar.

    My main is a Templar Nord. There is nothing I want more from ESO, than to have Templar tanking a sought after thing within the game.

    Bringing attention to a problem is one thing, but I’ve an entire thread dedicated to helping provide potential solutions to the playstyle within this very forum subcategory…

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/639316/sun-shield-rework-when/p1

    While I understand it might be frustrating to hear that your preferred playstyle is lacking, it does it a disservice to claim otherwise because perfectly fine options don’t receive attention, and man could Templar tank use some love.

    No, I speak the truth. A Majority of Templar's Tanks and DPS do not know how to build a proper Templar. It is simple as that.

    There are more than enough resources available that show peak performance of each class, from gear setups and parses to replicate, to ability loadout swapping per encounter and in depth support build videos…

    https://youtu.be/-_KRs7UClQU?si=ShCLZr89FjOlvHTz
    https://youtu.be/Pf217OBW1Lc?si=bMni_8_Ht3Z22Cn-
    Just because something can be done, doesn’t mean it’s a great option. Every option should be in competition with each other if built properly and that isn’t the case, it doesn’t matter what you throw onto a Templar tank, it will NEVER compete with a Dragonknight or Necromancer.

    Not until we have some reworked skills.

    Also want to add that I promise that you don’t know some secret that everyone else is unaware of. ESO is a decade old, everything is played out and the end-game population has a grasp on how each and every minor change will throw a meta off, notice how many Nightblade healers are taking over for Templars, and how fast it happened.

    Secret? lol Oh No Secrets. Just a basic understanding of my Build and how it works. Cheers!
  • Galeriano
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    Find me a higher parse than this on Templar and we can talk about single-target contribution, because the closest I can find is over 8k DPS behind.

    Find me real trial fight where sorc comes with stacked 500 ulti and ulti dumps overload at the beggining. Making stamsorc dummy parses as any source of comparision is really out of place since these parses are pretty much cheesed and can;t be reproduced anywhere outside of the dummy. Templar in real fights is in fact outparsing sorc in single target.
    Edited by Galeriano on January 31, 2024 12:00AM
  • Tyrant_Tim
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    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    Tyrant_Tim wrote: »
    @ElderSmitter, I love Templar.

    My main is a Templar Nord. There is nothing I want more from ESO, than to have Templar tanking a sought after thing within the game.

    Bringing attention to a problem is one thing, but I’ve an entire thread dedicated to helping provide potential solutions to the playstyle within this very forum subcategory…

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/639316/sun-shield-rework-when/p1

    While I understand it might be frustrating to hear that your preferred playstyle is lacking, it does it a disservice to claim otherwise because perfectly fine options don’t receive attention, and man could Templar tank use some love.

    No, I speak the truth. A Majority of Templar's Tanks and DPS do not know how to build a proper Templar. It is simple as that.

    There are more than enough resources available that show peak performance of each class, from gear setups and parses to replicate, to ability loadout swapping per encounter and in depth support build videos…

    https://youtu.be/-_KRs7UClQU?si=ShCLZr89FjOlvHTz
    https://youtu.be/Pf217OBW1Lc?si=bMni_8_Ht3Z22Cn-
    Just because something can be done, doesn’t mean it’s a great option. Every option should be in competition with each other if built properly and that isn’t the case, it doesn’t matter what you throw onto a Templar tank, it will NEVER compete with a Dragonknight or Necromancer.

    Not until we have some reworked skills.

    Also want to add that I promise that you don’t know some secret that everyone else is unaware of. ESO is a decade old, everything is played out and the end-game population has a grasp on how each and every minor change will throw a meta off, notice how many Nightblade healers are taking over for Templars, and how fast it happened.

    Secret? lol Oh No Secrets. Just a basic understanding of my Build and how it works. Cheers!

    Does it shine or does it work?
  • Murinio
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    wouldn't be ignored then lol
    perfection needs nothing more just audience
  • ElderSmitter
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    I am on PCNA Tank and Run Pug Trials on Thursday Nights, Friday Mornings and Sunday nights. Your more than welcome to come jump into a Pug run on GF with me. I run vKA vCR+1 vRG at least once or twice. We can do vAA or vAS + as well. We do not require specifics and have fun. Cheers! Seldon do we not finish and usually the Only one that does not finish out of them all occasionally is vCR+1 due to Portal Teams and folks not killing corpses prior to rezzing. Discord not required.
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