Changes need to be done to the Scion form

dragonlord500

by the Scion form I mean the Perfect Scion form, this needs to be completely changed as a vampire skill morph because it's the least used of the 2 morphs. if Zos is going to claim its "Perfect Scion form" then by perfect I mean no duration should be on it and Scion form can easily be taken down in PVP anyway with a spam of Dawn Breaker. the only downside is you can't mount up with this form and any teleporting would clear it.

Give the Vampires a bit more love Zos. you had a good thing going with adding the new scion form but you missed the finish line with it by not doing anything with it.

dragonlord500

I guess no one wants anything done to this ability.

Tyrant_Tim

Problem is, you have a lot of people that miss the old Vampire ultimate, like myself, that would rather both Scions be reverted.

Back in the day, Bat Swarm used to be incredibly fun to use, where these newer Vampire ultimates feel lacking regardless of which you pick.

Why would I run even the “better” one when it’s gimmick is AoE damage, knowing that I will have better results just for using Eye of the Storm.

OBJnoob

I agree with Tim but have a couple more things to add

1) Vampire is already annoyingly strong, and while it is mostly used for the passives not the skills (which is a shame,) I don't think I'd want to see a super powerful vampire ult coupled with what we already have.

2) it's hard to not consider werewolf when considering vampire, to me, and therefore the idea of having "no duration" strikes me as just an incredibly hard no. Even werewolf has a duration, albeit a long one, and werewolves are confined to only using werewolf skills. Since part of the Perfect Scion thing is ignoring the additional cost to non-vampire abilities... Well, you can see it'd be a hard thing to reconcile. I'm not even saying it'd be OP-- because you'd effectively have no ultimate to use-- but it'd be a slap to werewolf faces.

Erickson9610

I wish they had made the Blood Scion form function like the Vampire Lord from TES V: Skyrim — that is, it would be a toggle into form with an infinite duration (using the Ultimate again to toggle out of form), but you're locked into using only Vampire skills. I think that would be a fair tradeoff balance-wise, it'd be convenient for roleplayers, and it would be more lore-appropriate for what we've seen of Vampire Lords in TES V: Skyrim and in ESO.

Instead, what we have is a clone of Bone Goliath that, for some reason, is better than Bone Goliath statswise — for instance, Bone Goliath restores 30k Health, while Blood Scion restores you to full Health. Kind of makes Bone Goliath seem useless if everyone has access to a better version of that Necromancer Ultimate.

chessalavakia_ESO

I think it would be better to just test increasing the duration of Perfected Scion/reducing the cost further/allowing ultimate gain while it is active rather than going to unlimited.

If you go to unlimited, you'd need to reduce the power down which wouldn't really make it feel like much of an ultimate.

At that point, you might be better with a different ult and just adding a Scion Polymorph.

Erickson9610

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

I think it would be better to just test increasing the duration of Perfected Scion/reducing the cost further/allowing ultimate gain while it is active rather than going to unlimited.

If you go to unlimited, you'd need to reduce the power down which wouldn't really make it feel like much of an ultimate.

At that point, you might be better with a different ult and just adding a Scion Polymorph.

Fun fact, the Bone Goliath and the Blood Scion are technically considered Polymorphs, but they're not accessible from the Collections menu.

Also, I'd like to point out that the issues you've pointed out, namely the parts where you claim:

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

If you go to unlimited, you'd need to reduce the power down which wouldn't really make it feel like much of an ultimate.

At that point, you might be better with a different ult

...are exactly some of the problems that Werewolf faces. The ability to extend the timer lead to the entire skill line being balanced like a class, which is fine, but the lack of an in-form Ultimate makes Werewolf Transformation (and the associated skill line) less viable than other options. Pretty much any other Ultimate is better for a regular build.

So, it's understandable that players wouldn't necessarily want the same treatment for the Blood Scion form. At that point, a Polymorph would provide the cosmetic advantages of the Ultimate, but with none of the gameplay downsides.


Though, Vampire is just in a particular position where they can use all of their Vampire passives without needing to transform or use their active abilities, which makes Vampire preferable to Werewolf in most cases.

The Perfect Scion morph is the only skill to interact with the Vampire passives, and yet it's not being used by a majority of the Vampire players. This could be because the downsides of Vampire aren't worth slotting an Ultimate to mitigate, or because the Ultimate doesn't give enough benefit to the Vampire passives as it is.

Maybe the Perfect Scion morph should further augment the Vampire passives to make it worth slotting? What if Perfect Scion buffed other Vampire passives like Strike from the Shadows and Undeath? Buffing the skill like this could be one way to emphasize the importance of slotting Vampire abilities to enhance Vampire passives.