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Where My Khajiit People At
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PriestessAthena wrote: »
I'd love an update to werebeasts, but definitely don't want the rest brought up in the thread. That's not a werebeast those are ....catwomen and wolfwomenEdited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on November 18, 2023 11:21PM[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!3 -
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✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »PriestessAthena wrote: »
I'd love an update to werebeats, but definitely don't want the rest brought up in the thread. That's not a werebeast those are ....catwomen and wolfwomen
Yeah. And I really hate the idea of "women cannot be wolves as only men can be wolves. Women must only be werecats". Which is something that was suggested in that thread; the idea that women can only transform into werecats when infected by lycanthropy.0 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭It’s a discussion. Many people throwing many ideas around. It’s not something that will actually be implemented although it could be as we’ve established in both threads that the lore technically exists. It’s for fun conversation. I’m not opposed to male and female forms of werewolf and werecat either. Lmao0 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »PriestessAthena wrote: »
I'd love an update to werebeasts, but definitely don't want the rest brought up in the thread. That's not a werebeast those are ....catwomen and wolfwomen
Why does everyone keep saying that? Is No one familiar with an actual werecat? It’s not a cat woman that would be a female khajiit. It’s a were cat. Identical to a werewolf with a cat head. It’s an existing mythology both in game and real world. Pretty sure you’re the one who mentioned all of the werebeast variations in game. Why does it make people feel weird for it to be female? Even female mice have breasts lmao. That doesn’t automatically mean anime cat girl. I think it’s partially the bad art that I posted.Edited by PriestessAthena on November 18, 2023 11:29PM0 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PriestessAthena wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »PriestessAthena wrote: »
I'd love an update to werebeasts, but definitely don't want the rest brought up in the thread. That's not a werebeast those are ....catwomen and wolfwomen
Why does everyone keep saying that? Is No one familiar with an actual werecat? It’s not a cat woman that would be a female khajiit. It’s a were cat. Identical to a werewolf with a cat head. It’s an existing mythology both in game and real world. Pretty sure you’re the one who mentioned all of the werebeast variations in game. Why does it make people feel weird for it to be female? Even female mice have breasts lmao. That doesn’t automatically mean anime cat girl. I think it’s partially the bad art that I posted.
Because the art examples used in the post look exactly that way? If that's not what you meant then you should've either found more suiting art examples or not used any at all. And again, it's werelion in Elder Scrolls. Why would they have noticeable breasts when shapeshifting into a daedric made beastform aimed to be the ultimate hunter, that already ignores what race they are? I had enough of sexual dimorphism of similar things in WoW regarding the worgen race (who looks like werewolves, well, the men did.) and there it actually made sense to be some but they went to extreme.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!4 -
Wolf_Eye✭✭✭✭✭
✭.NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »PriestessAthena wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »PriestessAthena wrote: »
I'd love an update to werebeasts, but definitely don't want the rest brought up in the thread. That's not a werebeast those are ....catwomen and wolfwomen
Why does everyone keep saying that? Is No one familiar with an actual werecat? It’s not a cat woman that would be a female khajiit. It’s a were cat. Identical to a werewolf with a cat head. It’s an existing mythology both in game and real world. Pretty sure you’re the one who mentioned all of the werebeast variations in game. Why does it make people feel weird for it to be female? Even female mice have breasts lmao. That doesn’t automatically mean anime cat girl. I think it’s partially the bad art that I posted.
Because the art examples used in the post look exactly that way? If that's not what you meant then you should've either found more suiting art examples or not used any at all. And again, it's werelion in Elder Scrolls. Why would they have noticeable breasts when shapeshifting into a daedric made beastform aimed to be the ultimate hunter, that already ignores what race they are? I had enough of sexual dimorphism of similar things in WoW regarding the worgen race (who looks like werewolves, well, the men did.) and there it actually made sense to be some but they went to extreme.
WoW's sexual dimorphism is pretty atrocious at the best of times. I remember the males all looking ugly and the females all looking like hot super models, except (insert different color here).
To say nothing of the outfit differences between males and females......
I prefer the current sexual dimorphism in ESO; it's not too ridiculous.2 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »If that's not what you meant then you should've either found more suiting art examples or not used any at all.
The art simply doesn’t exist. I’ve obviously searched very long time for these images. Aside from this post it’s something I look up regularly BUT I’ve started making my own images anyway.0 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭Also it doesn’t have to be breasts per say, anything to differentiate the male from female like a smaller waist. Even in a daedric ritual I can’t see a females breasts disappearing and her morphing into a man unless that was the actual spell or rituals purpose specifically. Female animals exist and even though we are talking about magic and a fantasy world some rules of nature would still apply lmao.Edited by PriestessAthena on February 18, 2024 12:20PM1
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PriestessAthena✭✭✭Here are some images I made but they weren’t created for the purpose of this thread they’re just arts that I share on Instagram so please don’t complain about the colors or sparkles or clothing. Just adding them here for fun. THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE JUST ART.
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Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PriestessAthena wrote: »even in a daedric ritual I can’t see a females breasts disappearing and her morphing into a man unless that was the actual spell or rituals purpose specifically. Female animals exist and even though we are talking about magic and a fantasy world some rules of nature would still apply lmao.
If you look at wolves in nature, the only bigger difference between males and female (if the female is not pregnant or nursing) is their body size (okay, and a slightly different face shape, but there's no huge difference altogether).
Edited by Syldras on February 18, 2024 12:27PM@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire3 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭We are not talking about wolves directly though. They are humanoid wolf shapeshifters. Derived from and slightly resembling their human form. I am fully aware how these gaming companies work especially Bethesda and ZOS and I’m very aware these things will never happen. I’m not actually pleading my case any longer. I’ve resolved to just accept whatever junk I’m given in whatever form it comes and will continue to pay higher and higher prices for things I’m not happy with. Thats gaming. So yea you’re right. No such thing as female werewolves. They would look identical to men. Female werewolves don’t exist in a feminine form. Only male daedra rituals allowed. Should’ve never suggested something so so so stupid as a werewolf feminine form. Trust me I wont ever make this mistake again. I think they should remove the breasts from female vampires also. There would be no such thing as a feminine vampire after the transformation they should all appear male with no differences whatsoever.
This community is such a tragedy.Edited by PriestessAthena on February 18, 2024 1:04PM3 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭
This is clearly modeled after the human form it transformed from. Wolves don’t have male pecs and hands. But there’s no point in arguing with anyone. People have a very set opinion about what ESO werewolves should look like. Simply because 10 years ago when the first model was added they hadn’t thought of a female form yet people now concreted in their mind that females don’t exist in this world. I won’t argue it. You’re all right. Don’t worry. Don’t stress. There’s actually no chance these things will be changed or added. Chill.Edited by PriestessAthena on February 18, 2024 1:12PM2 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only point I was making was that "rules of nature" and "female animals exist" are quite odd arguments for demanding werecreatures to have visible female breasts, because that's exactly not what would be natural with female animals (if they're not gestating or nursing, as I said).
Now you say they're not animals but shapeshifters. Yes, that's correct, but what exactly are the "rules of nature" for shapeshifters, then?@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire2 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭Humans are animals as well.. lmao you are nitpicking and let’s go into detail then. Yes they are shapeshifting animal versions of their human self. They do obviously by all accounts anywhere in the world and ESO retain some human features. What on earth makes anyone think that because I’ve now transformed into my wolf form that I would become a male version of my former female self? Nowhere does werewolf transformation have basis in the male anatomy. It is based in the concept that through magical means a human transforms into a wolf version of themself. There isn’t a cookie cutter werewolf base form that all werewolves on earth are linked to. They don’t all transform into identical copies of the first lycanthrope.
This is a pointless argument. You’re entitled to think whatever you wish. Get out whatever you want to say now lol.0 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PriestessAthena wrote: »What on earth makes anyone think that because I’ve now transformed into my wolf form that I would become a male version of my former female self? Nowhere does werewolf transformation have basis in the male anatomy.
Who even says it's "the male version"? It actually has no distinguishable anatomic features for determining its sex at all. Also:NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Why would they have noticeable breasts when shapeshifting into a daedric made beastform aimed to be the ultimate hunter, that already ignores what race they are?
If even Argonians become werewolves with fur, which is a much bigger transformation, why would female breasts be excluded from the transformation, of all things?@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire2 -
PriestessAthena✭✭✭The same reason males retain their pecs and human hands and legs and walk on 2 feet. The idea is to aesthetically appear as though you were a human/Argonian whatever, before you transformed into a wolf beast. Otherwise they would just be a wolf..
Reaching very far to make your point when I included an image and highlighted the very male human features in the photo. I don’t care to argue with tunnel visioned strangers on the internet. Even female Argonians have breasts… I mean why would that be so in this lore and world? I assume all Argonian Khajiit and vampires are nursing and gestating then. Lol
ESO is the only place that even comes close to being able to experience this type of fantasy. Have played this franchise for more than 10 years. Way before ZOS or you came along. Just dreaming but obviously this forum is not the place for creativity or ideas or solutions. It’s very linear. If you don’t think exactly like the rest of the mob nothing you say or do will be accepted afterward.
Female werewolf form makes sense no matter what anyone argues lol. Wont change my mind unless concreted in lore somewhere way before this event they have clearly stated all werewolves look identical male or female. Or that all werewolves take a male form. But it doesn’t.
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Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PriestessAthena wrote: »Reaching very far to make your point when I included an image and highlighted the very male human features in the photo.
That those big hands were "male werewolf hands" is your interpretation. It's obvious that they are enlarged during the transformation, just as the feet are enlarged. It's not possible to attribute a sex to it. And it's the same with the chest - yes, it's flat, but wolves have flat chests, so that might just be a wolf aspect. It's entirely impossible to interpret the appearance of a creature completely transformed by Hircine's curse by the same factors that you would use for an ordinary human or mer.PriestessAthena wrote: »Even female Argonians have breasts…
Yes, and many people dislike it, as it serves no biological purpose.PriestessAthena wrote: »I mean why would that be so in this lore and world?
One common interpretation is that the Hist deliberately makes them look like this to give them a more humanoid appearance.PriestessAthena wrote: »I assume all Argonian Khajiit and vampires are nursing and gestating then. Lol
A vampire is no completely transformed beast. You already got the lore explanation for female Argonians. And when it comes to Khajiit, only the humanoid-looking types have breasts anyway. The more animal-looking like Alfiq and Senche do not.PriestessAthena wrote: »Have played this franchise for more than 10 years. Way before ZOS or you came along.
And after "more than 10 years" you have never come across the lore explanations for why female Argonians and some Khajiit furstock have human sex characteristics like female breasts? Surprising.
I've been playing TES since the very beginning of the series. Yes, starting with Arena. It's the 30th anniversary this year, btw. And within 30 years comes a lot of knowledge about the lore. When I reason here, it's not about personal likes or dislikes, but about what makes sense lore-wise.PriestessAthena wrote: »Just dreaming but obviously this forum is not the place for creativity or ideas or solutions. It’s very linear. If you don’t think exactly like the rest of the mob nothing you say or do will be accepted afterward.
People who disagree with you are "the mob"?PriestessAthena wrote: »Female werewolf form makes sense no matter what anyone argues lol.
I have nothing against a small difference in form. But lore-wise, werewolves are supposed to be the perfect hunters, transformed by Hircine. Their shape is designed for this purpose only. It is a complete transformation, which is most visible on Argonians, as even they don't have any Argonian characteristics left after transformation. Giving these creatures breasts would serve which purpose during the hunt exactly?@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire6 -
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✭I have nothing against a small difference in form. But lore-wise, werewolves are supposed to be the perfect hunters, transformed by Hircine. Their shape is designed for this purpose only. It is a complete transformation, which is most visible on Argonians, as even they don't have any Argonian characteristics left after transformation. Giving these creatures breasts would serve which purpose during the hunt exactly?
I agree with this assessment. However, I'd also like to point out that the Elder Scrolls video games in general have never put much effort into werewolf form looks as they have with human/vampire looks. ESO was the first TES video game to feature werewolves with a fur color other than brown, probably because the designers wanted to differentiate players from NPCs in a multiplayer setting. ESO also introduced the Werewolf Behemoth with the Wolfhunter DLC, because fighting a slightly larger standard-looking werewolf wasn't exciting enough.
I'm personally hoping that ESO is the first TES game to officially allow you to change your own werewolf form's fur color, so that this trend can continue in future TES games. Maybe there will eventually be a slight difference between male and female forms.
But, this is all dependent on the idea that ZOS or Bethesda would, for some reason, want to make TES werewolves something other than generic cannon fodder for the Hero to slay. They've made vampires into actual characters (take a look at House Ravenwatch!) but werewolves are much harder to relate to because unlike vampires, they don't look human, they can't use all of the human form customization assets, and in general they don't seem to be popular with most people.Edited by Erickson9610 on February 18, 2024 8:37PMPC/NA — Lone Werewolf, the Templar Khajiit Werewolf
Werewolf Should be Allowed to Sneak
Please give us Werewolf Skill Styles (for customizing our fur color), Grimoires/Scribing skills (to fill in the holes in our builds), and Companions (to transform with).0
