please can we have some 100% plant base recipes

YetAnotherLinuxUser

funny thing though is that assassins creed has no kill options, so i'm told anyway.. but also way off topic.

spartaxoxo

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

Also, vegan and veganism can't be used as the are specific to religion and religious discussions are verboten on these forums. So that means the only language left is 100% plant based.

Vegan is not only a religious term. It is for some but it's not exclusively so. So, discussing video game recipes in a game would be alright.

SilverBride

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

These things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

spartaxoxo

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

SilverBride

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

SpacemanSpiff1

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

crafting.

SilverBride

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

crafting.

I've never tried to level a character from just crafting so I'm not sure how far it would take us. But this just reinforces that combat would not be an option if we were only participating in activities that we would approve of in our real lives.

spartaxoxo

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

There's plenty of quests that only have you kill daedra and people. I don't think nature loving mages in most fantasy games care about killing people because they view it as protecting nature.

Obviously, a player wishing to play such a character in a fantasy game wouldn't necessarily want to do that in real life, and would even find it morally wrong. Still, it's a pretty standard fantasy type character. I think the Druids in this is game are somewhat like that. Although as far as I'm aware they eat meat.

SilverBride

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

There's plenty of quests that only have you kill daedra and people. I don't think nature loving mages in most fantasy games care about killing people because they view it as protecting nature.

Obviously, a player wishing to play such a character in a fantasy game wouldn't necessarily want to do that in real life, and would even find it morally wrong. Still, it's a pretty standard fantasy type character. I think the Druids in this is game are somewhat like that. Although as far as I'm aware they eat meat.

This is all true but the point I am trying to make is getting lost. I originally was replying to this, in particular to the text in bold:

"I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better."

This is a combat based game where a lot of game play involves killing others. Why is this acceptable but killing an animal for food is not?

But more importantly whether we consume animals products or not does not mean one group is "doing better" than the other. This is a personal choice.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

having 100% plant based purple and gold recipes dos not take anything away from those who wish to use purple and gold recipes that have animal ingredients in them. it adds more possibilities, it takes nothing away from anyone.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

There's plenty of quests that only have you kill daedra and people. I don't think nature loving mages in most fantasy games care about killing people because they view it as protecting nature.

Obviously, a player wishing to play such a character in a fantasy game wouldn't necessarily want to do that in real life, and would even find it morally wrong. Still, it's a pretty standard fantasy type character. I think the Druids in this is game are somewhat like that. Although as far as I'm aware they eat meat.

This is all true but the point I am trying to make is getting lost. I originally was replying to this, in particular to the text in bold:

"I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better."

This is a combat based game where a lot of game play involves killing others. Why is this acceptable but killing an animal for food is not?

But more importantly whether we consume animals products or not does not mean one group is "doing better" than the other. This is a personal choice.

if that's how you wish to play then fine for you. if someone else would like to play differently than you thats fine for them.

i don't scry nor do i play tales of tribute. those things do not interest me. the fact that they exist is no cause for concern on my part and threatens me none at all. those are optional activities.

i think life is sweeter when we have options to choose from. If you tried to force me to scry or play tot that would be a different story altogether.

100% plant based gold and purple recipes offer more options.

SilverBride

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

having 100% plant based purple and gold recipes dos not take anything away from those who wish to use purple and gold recipes that have animal ingredients in them. it adds more possibilities, it takes nothing away from anyone.

Which is why I stated that I am not against the idea of more plant based recipes.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

SilverBride wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

having 100% plant based purple and gold recipes dos not take anything away from those who wish to use purple and gold recipes that have animal ingredients in them. it adds more possibilities, it takes nothing away from anyone.

Which is why I stated that I am not against the idea of more plant based recipes.

Awesome!

SilverBride

It would be fun to see what new recipes we could come up with using ingredients already in game.

JemadarofCaerSalis

SilverBride wrote: »

It would be fun to see what new recipes we could come up with using ingredients already in game.

I was thinking some mushroom based recipes.

I didn't see any, but to my (very limited knowledge) a lot of people like to substitute mushrooms as the main ingredient in dishes.

Perhaps more soups as well, I saw carrot and tomato soups, but are there any just plain vegetable soups?

YetAnotherLinuxUser

a 12 bean spicy chili would be awesome. bah. no beans in game? also no hot peppers either.

KiltMaster

all this over pixels

YetAnotherLinuxUser

KiltMaster wrote: »

all this over pixels

thats what i say every time i look at the price of graphic cards!!!!!! how much for a 4090????

SilverBride

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I was thinking some mushroom based recipes.

I didn't see any, but to my (very limited knowledge) a lot of people like to substitute mushrooms as the main ingredient in dishes.

I used to have a recipe for sloppy joes that used chopped portabello mushrooms instead of ground beef and it was delicious.

JemadarofCaerSalis

SilverBride wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I was thinking some mushroom based recipes.

I didn't see any, but to my (very limited knowledge) a lot of people like to substitute mushrooms as the main ingredient in dishes.

I used to have a recipe for sloppy joes that used chopped portabello mushrooms instead of ground beef and it was delicious.

Yeah, I have heard of them being used as substitute for like a steak as well.

NoticeMeArkay

Would somebody be so kind and explain to me why people are discussing the morality behind the digital ingredients or digital food on a video game? I'd absolutely get it if this discussion was about the lack of new potentially good buff food over the past years or the lack of creative effects upon consumptions or the split-second these visual effects appear for or the absolute abundance of any utility provided by food apart from ressources, handling curses and wether or not the fishing food still works or not...

...I don't get it and I don't mean to mock anybody. Why is this being discussed?

spartaxoxo

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

There's plenty of quests that only have you kill daedra and people. I don't think nature loving mages in most fantasy games care about killing people because they view it as protecting nature.

Obviously, a player wishing to play such a character in a fantasy game wouldn't necessarily want to do that in real life, and would even find it morally wrong. Still, it's a pretty standard fantasy type character. I think the Druids in this is game are somewhat like that. Although as far as I'm aware they eat meat.

This is all true but the point I am trying to make is getting lost. I originally was replying to this, in particular to the text in bold:

"I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better."

This is a combat based game where a lot of game play involves killing others. Why is this acceptable but killing an animal for food is not?

But more importantly whether we consume animals products or not does not mean one group is "doing better" than the other. This is a personal choice.

Ah, I agree there then. Eating meat is a personal choice. I enjoy meat myself.

Kendaric

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

You can definitely level via crafting and exploration only. It's certainly slow and of course not quite rewarding, but it's possible.

thorwyn

I mean... it's just words in a database, so I can not find any reason against it. If it makes some people happy, by all means go for it.

In regards of killing animals ingame, I have to admit that I usually feel bad when I have to fight a family of tigers or one of those tortoise creatures in elsweyr. It' s weird, because I am fully aware that I'm just clicking on pixels.

16BitForestCat

Re: veg*n foods (that's a long-used abbreviation for "vegetarian and/or vegan" in one, in case anyone mistakenly thinks it's a weird form of self-censorship):

I'm not and don't have any characters that are veg*n, but I still use in-game terms like "meat," "cheese," and "milk" pretty fluidly for crafting and RP purposes. Veg*n meat substitutes, milks, and cheeses have been around for centuries in the real world—who's to say that's not also the case for Elder Scrolls? If you want to say that your Apple-Eidar Cheese Salad contains a soy-based Eidar cheese, or you're using almond milk instead of dairy, or young jackfruit pork instead of piggy pork in Sticky Pork and Radish Noodles, no one can tell you otherwise. We had a New Life festival in one of my guilds where we traded foods in a roleplay event, and we all mutually RP'ed that if someone requested veg*n meals, we were crafting them veg*n versions of the recipes.

In other words...loot those cheese slices by that one Hollow City guild vendor with a free conscience—it's non-dairy veg*n cheese if you say so.

That said, I wouldn't complain if more of the existing recipes were tweaked to be specifically veg*an from the start. We already have a lot of recipes in game that many players never use, so it'd be really cool if more obsolete ones were repurposed for diversity and usefulness rather than have even more new ones added to clutter up the database.

P.S. Those soy-based Impossible Chicken nuggets are amazing. Pretty much as unhealthy as animal-based processed nuggs, but you don't eat 'em for your health.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

Mmmmm. Garlic chili noodles. Inspired by yeung man cooking

https://youtu.be/bG8KpOvN5V8?si=kjryIQjy2tOuNJ8U

YetAnotherLinuxUser

Tasty treat for that purple 3 trait buff 100% plant based food

YetAnotherLinuxUser

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Would somebody be so kind and explain to me why people are discussing the morality behind the digital ingredients or digital food on a video game? I'd absolutely get it if this discussion was about the lack of new potentially good buff food over the past years or the lack of creative effects upon consumptions or the split-second these visual effects appear for or the absolute abundance of any utility provided by food apart from ressources, handling curses and wether or not the fishing food still works or not...

...I don't get it and I don't mean to mock anybody. Why is this being discussed?

This thread is about plant based recipes for eso not about morality or religion.

Danikat

Kendaric wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I just hate we have to kill animals in this game. Ive tried so hard to skip this but zos really need to add an option to the game where animals arent harmed. We need to do better.

We also kill other humanoids, and we go to Cyrodiil and kill each other.

This isn't reality and these are things that are happening in a different world in a different time. If we kept our activities to only things we would do in our real lives we would all have to quit playing.

That's true. But a nature-loving magic wielder is a pretty standard fantasy archetype and a way for vegans to engage in the ethics of fantasy world's morals while bringing in a small slice of themselves into that fantastical setting. They could make a warden, use Druid furnishings for their house, and only use plant-based recipes.

These nature-loving magic wielders are still killing animals and monsters and even other humanoids if they are doing any quests or running any dungeons. If players aren't killing something how are they leveling?

I'm not against the idea of more plant based recipes because it is a healthy way to eat. But ultimately this is a fantasy game and it's a different world with different norms. If they made the game so it only confirms to our real life morays they would have to eliminate almost all combat.

You can definitely level via crafting and exploration only. It's certainly slow and of course not quite rewarding, but it's possible.

I've got a character who I levelled almost entirely by crafting and exploration. Early on I did some quests for skill points, before finding out he'd go all over the place for surveys anyway so it was quicker and easier to pick up skyshards on my way through the maps than take time out to do quests. I think you could definitely level a character exclusively through crafting if you wanted to, although you might need other characters to supply materials.

I seem to remember there was someone on this forum attempting a pacifist run - only doing quests which don't involve fighting anything. I think they were doing it as an experiment, not play-acting their real-life morals in the game and they said they had other characters they play normally, but still it is apparently possible.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

16BitForestCat wrote: »

Re: veg*n foods (that's a long-used abbreviation for "vegetarian and/or vegan" in one, in case anyone mistakenly thinks it's a weird form of self-censorship):

I'm not and don't have any characters that are veg*n, but I still use in-game terms like "meat," "cheese," and "milk" pretty fluidly for crafting and RP purposes. Veg*n meat substitutes, milks, and cheeses have been around for centuries in the real world—who's to say that's not also the case for Elder Scrolls? If you want to say that your Apple-Eidar Cheese Salad contains a soy-based Eidar cheese, or you're using almond milk instead of dairy, or young jackfruit pork instead of piggy pork in Sticky Pork and Radish Noodles, no one can tell you otherwise. We had a New Life festival in one of my guilds where we traded foods in a roleplay event, and we all mutually RP'ed that if someone requested veg*n meals, we were crafting them veg*n versions of the recipes.

In other words...loot those cheese slices by that one Hollow City guild vendor with a free conscience—it's non-dairy veg*n cheese if you say so.

That said, I wouldn't complain if more of the existing recipes were tweaked to be specifically veg*an from the start. We already have a lot of recipes in game that many players never use, so it'd be really cool if more obsolete ones were repurposed for diversity and usefulness rather than have even more new ones added to clutter up the database.

P.S. Those soy-based Impossible Chicken nuggets are amazing. Pretty much as unhealthy as animal-based processed nuggs, but you don't eat 'em for your health.

The science reported to me by Dr McGregor seems to say that plant based meat substitutes are almist as healthy as the raw plants except for the sodium content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS_AQp4QiU4