Sorcerer Pets dying in Endless Archive

Necrotech_Master

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

Jaraal

virtus753 wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

Ironically, there is a vision that increases pet damage, you know, for the whole 5 seconds the pet is alive

lmao, oh the irony of this

It's even more ironic when offered to a class that has no pets. #smartloot

It's one of those things that you have to take for the achievements. Like I had to take a buff to frost damage, even though my DK doesn't do frost damage. Seems rather weird, but I get the reasoning.

Tyrant_Tim

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

That’s good to know, does it curate?

Necrotech_Master

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

That’s good to know, does it curate?

yes, drops from the archive itself are curated, regardless which class set is dropping for you

ive spent a lot of time in the archives so far and havent actually bought any gear boxes but already have close to 140 of the 252 total items to collect from there lol

Jaraal

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

I don't have a pet sorc build, but if I may chime in here, I would give EA another go if they could make my tank companion lasts more than 4 seconds to the last boss of arc 1.

I have sharp slotted with two heals and he still died to it, although he doesn't, even when facing the other edited trial bosses most times.

Other arcs I don't much care about, mind you, I might try to go to higher arcs if my companion was more useful.

Companions aren't smart enough to stay out of stupid. I find it somewhat amusing when Mirri says, "I'm losing blood!" while standing in a giant laser beam. You'd think the blood would be cauterized.... but no. And how does one even speak with a vaporized mouth? Curious, indeed.

Tyrant_Tim

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

That’s good to know, does it curate?

yes, drops from the archive itself are curated, regardless which class set is dropping for you

ive spent a lot of time in the archives so far and havent actually bought any gear boxes but already have close to 140 of the 252 total items to collect from there lol

Nice, so on average, how much play-time do you think it’s going to take to get the stickerbook full in there?

Edit; Sorry in advance for derailing.

Necrotech_Master

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

That’s good to know, does it curate?

yes, drops from the archive itself are curated, regardless which class set is dropping for you

ive spent a lot of time in the archives so far and havent actually bought any gear boxes but already have close to 140 of the 252 total items to collect from there lol

Nice, so on average, how much play-time do you think it’s going to take to get the stickerbook full in there?

Edit; Sorry in advance for derailing.

lol, if you would like more info about it can DM me so its not interrupting the thread

but for reference to the question:

arc 1 gives 1 pc of set gear, arc 2+ can give 2 pc of set gear (1 from the marauder and 1 from tho'at)

occasionally on higher arcs ive had the marauder and/or tho'at occasionally drop 2 pc of set gear

Jaraal

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

Interesting that instead of allowing you to grind for a piece of your class set in your desired trait, they require you to receive set pieces that you don't need or want instead. Looks like a lot more crystals will be required to rebuild/transmute EA gear than gear from other sources. Unless of course, you want to spend fortunes on class boxes.

Necrotech_Master

Jaraal wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

Interesting that instead of allowing you to grind for a piece of your class set in your desired trait, they require you to receive set pieces that you don't need or want instead. Looks like a lot more crystals will be required to rebuild/transmute EA gear than gear from other sources. Unless of course, you want to spend fortunes on class boxes.

im assuming that once you collect all the gear, it will just drop random class pieces from any class

if you have sets fully collected the transmute cost is minimal, but there are also uncurated boxes for like 2000 currency that you can buy to get the set that you want

jaws343

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

That’s good to know, does it curate?

yes, drops from the archive itself are curated, regardless which class set is dropping for you

ive spent a lot of time in the archives so far and havent actually bought any gear boxes but already have close to 140 of the 252 total items to collect from there lol

Nice, so on average, how much play-time do you think it’s going to take to get the stickerbook full in there?

Edit; Sorry in advance for derailing.

In my 1 take through it today, I was able to get to Arc 2 Thoat solo in under an hour, but I was also pausing between rounds to do a few things during the run. And I was using my no pet solo sorc, so a lot less damage.

I got two set pieces (1 from one of the portal things I think). Would have had 3 but I died to the thoat in ARC 2 as I didn't understand the multiple boss aspect.

So, 3 set pieces in an hour is what I expect I can manage at minimum, which puts it at around 12 hours to farm out all of the sorc set. Without spending any currency.

But I plan on using my 1 bar build going forward, which has double the damage, and better defense (and apparently dying pets), so I expect I can get through ARC 3 in an hour. So far, the difficulty through 2 arcs has been less than the difficulty of a Bastian Nymic.

Tyrant_Tim

jaws343 wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

That’s good to know, does it curate?

yes, drops from the archive itself are curated, regardless which class set is dropping for you

ive spent a lot of time in the archives so far and havent actually bought any gear boxes but already have close to 140 of the 252 total items to collect from there lol

Nice, so on average, how much play-time do you think it’s going to take to get the stickerbook full in there?

Edit; Sorry in advance for derailing.

In my 1 take through it today, I was able to get to Arc 2 Thoat solo in under an hour, but I was also pausing between rounds to do a few things during the run. And I was using my no pet solo sorc, so a lot less damage.

I got two set pieces (1 from one of the portal things I think). Would have had 3 but I died to the thoat in ARC 2 as I didn't understand the multiple boss aspect.

So, 3 set pieces in an hour is what I expect I can manage at minimum, which puts it at around 12 hours to farm out all of the sorc set. Without spending any currency.

But I plan on using my 1 bar build going forward, which has double the damage, and better defense (and apparently dying pets), so I expect I can get through ARC 3 in an hour. So far, the difficulty through 2 arcs has been less than the difficulty of a Bastian Nymic.

Thanks for the breakdown.

Necrotech_Master

jaws343 wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Honestly, it seems the best way to farm out the Sorc set would be to either run a Sorc tank or farm out the currency on another class.

I’m sure more people would be mad about this but the set isn’t worth the time anyway.

i dont think that people are running this on a sorc to get the set, they are running it because they were using an oaken HA pet sorc type build as that was the only thing that was working for them

once you finish a set for one class, you will start getting pieces for other classes anyway

That’s good to know, does it curate?

yes, drops from the archive itself are curated, regardless which class set is dropping for you

ive spent a lot of time in the archives so far and havent actually bought any gear boxes but already have close to 140 of the 252 total items to collect from there lol

Nice, so on average, how much play-time do you think it’s going to take to get the stickerbook full in there?

Edit; Sorry in advance for derailing.

In my 1 take through it today, I was able to get to Arc 2 Thoat solo in under an hour, but I was also pausing between rounds to do a few things during the run. And I was using my no pet solo sorc, so a lot less damage.

I got two set pieces (1 from one of the portal things I think). Would have had 3 but I died to the thoat in ARC 2 as I didn't understand the multiple boss aspect.

So, 3 set pieces in an hour is what I expect I can manage at minimum, which puts it at around 12 hours to farm out all of the sorc set. Without spending any currency.

But I plan on using my 1 bar build going forward, which has double the damage, and better defense (and apparently dying pets), so I expect I can get through ARC 3 in an hour. So far, the difficulty through 2 arcs has been less than the difficulty of a Bastian Nymic.

to give an idea on the time, running in a 2 person group and doing all bonus portals, we reached arc 9 cycle 2 boss in roughly 5 hours last night lol (so avg of about 30-40 min per arc)

we died to a few marauders in the later arcs (our arc 7 marauder was the fire one and basically 1 hit me with a 47k light attack + 5k tick of bleed)

net gain of roughly 14-16 pc of gear (8 tho'ats, and at least 5 marauder kills), didnt count exactly as we killed a majority but not all of the marauders, and had a few tho'ats and marauders give 2 drops instead of 1

Jaraal

jaws343 wrote: »

Would have had 3 but I died to the thoat in ARC 2 as I didn't understand the multiple boss aspect.

It took me a while to realize that the bosses aren't the real threat in Tho'at fights. It's the little blobs. If you ignore them, they will channel an ever-increasing damage mechanism that eventually one shots you. You have to make interrupting and destroying them your main priority. Master Malkhest is always (unsuccessfully) fighting them, so keep an eye on him to locate blobs in the clutter. But they spawn on a timer, and if you don't burn them down quick, they will overlap and start doubling your damage taken. As a melee, I always stack DoTs and use auto targeting range effects on the bosses, while hunting the blobs to destroy asap. I focus first boss first, then go to the second and third (haven't fought the dragon yet solo) bosses in order, as they can all spawn blobs. And roll dodge the overhead shards, that's a one shot, too.

(I know most PC folks already know this, this is mostly for the console folks who just got the EA.)

EdjeSwift

I'll chime in on the off-topic stuff about stickerbook filling. From a pure min/max perspective, and not a fun one, the most efficient use of time is to grind out Act 1 and 2 until you finish the weapons from the class you're playing then focus on Act 1 till you're done with the set.

Pushing further is definitely more fun/challenging, but if you're in it purely for the stickerbook, this is sadly the way.

jaws343

Jaraal wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Would have had 3 but I died to the thoat in ARC 2 as I didn't understand the multiple boss aspect.

It took me a while to realize that the bosses aren't the real threat in Tho'at fights. It's the little blobs. If you ignore them, they will channel an ever-increasing damage mechanism that eventually one shots you. You have to make interrupting and destroying them your main priority. Master Malkhest is always (unsuccessfully) fighting them, so keep an eye on him to locate blobs in the clutter. But they spawn on a timer, and if you don't burn them down quick, they will overlap and start doubling your damage taken. As a melee, I always stack DoTs and use auto targeting range effects on the bosses, while hunting the blobs to destroy asap. I focus first boss first, then go to the second and third (haven't fought the dragon yet solo) bosses in order, as they can all spawn blobs. And roll dodge the overhead shards, that's a one shot, too.

(I know most PC folks already know this, this is mostly for the console folks who just got the EA.)

I actually wasn't having the issue with them, they mostly died to my AOE. In fact, I had the buff that did a ton of fire damage whenever I interrupted something, so those just boosted my damage output like crazy.

What I didn't realize was the frost atro wasn't going to despawn once I killed the other boss. So I just stood there and ate damage before I could recover.

To the pet conversation, I haven't brought them in yet, but given how ARC 1 and 2 went without a pet, I expect that they will both be dead in each Thoat stage. And I expect them to die here and there in bosses probably at the same frequency they die in bastion nymics. Which is irritating, but for the first few ARCs, probably not a problem. Don't expect them to die to the normal stages though, those were pretty straight forward.

Anything past that, I can't see them being remotely viable to rely on, especially as a heal.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

clearly that flapping gets on their nerves?

Quethrosar

AE above arc 2 solo feels like trying to be any class but invisible man or wing leap man in pvp.

Tannus15

katorga wrote: »

Sorc - sergeants mail, alessian order, oakensoul 5-7 heavy. infused health regen on jewels. Sharpend and penetration CP. Gets me through 3 arcs (as far as I can tolerate b4 boredom takes over). I have similar double bar build that works about the same, using infused prismatic regen instead of health.

Hardened ward + 6-8K health regen gets me through almost everything. DPS is at about the bare minimum.

no one is saying EA can't be done on sorc. It clearly can, there are some really strong sorc EA performances on the leaderboard.

The point is that pretty much an entire skill lines and passives are next to useless in there because of the design of EA and the class.

This skills also happen to be where most of the sorc dps is locked up. It would be like if arcanist beam didn't work in EA. Sure, you can make it work with a no beam build, but it's a massive handicap that should be unacceptable.

Quethrosar

Tannus15 wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Sorc - sergeants mail, alessian order, oakensoul 5-7 heavy. infused health regen on jewels. Sharpend and penetration CP. Gets me through 3 arcs (as far as I can tolerate b4 boredom takes over). I have similar double bar build that works about the same, using infused prismatic regen instead of health.

Hardened ward + 6-8K health regen gets me through almost everything. DPS is at about the bare minimum.

no one is saying EA can't be done on sorc. It clearly can, there are some really strong sorc EA performances on the leaderboard.

The point is that pretty much an entire skill lines and passives are next to useless in there because of the design of EA and the class.

This skills also happen to be where most of the sorc dps is locked up. It would be like if arcanist beam didn't work in EA. Sure, you can make it work with a no beam build, but it's a massive handicap that should be unacceptable.

perfectly said, hardened ward, and surge are like the only sorcerer skills you can use to make it through arc 2+.
everything else is from other non class skill lines. you really should not need to be in heavy armor either to do it. that goes against everything a sorcerer is lol. wizards don't wear plate male !

ZhuJiuyin

Since the black magic and storm skill lines are very bad (low damage, impractical control skills like Encase, etc.), sorc loses a lot of dps once the pet cannot be used.

Moreover, sorc inherently lacks practical AOE, instant healing (no-pet), and magic recovery (the casting time of Dark Exchange makes it impractical, especially when blocking and rolling are required), which makes sorc's EA experience very poor.

Of course, there must be masters who can pass the level, but please think about it, is it really good to treat exceptions as the general rule?

The solution once and for all is to redo the Dark and Storm skill lines, buff them, give sorc options other than pet construction, and also give magicka sorc a fair chance to compete with other classes.

Tannus15

lightning splash needs buffing and has done for ages.
straight up 20% more damage, all morphs. reduce the damage from the synergy by 20% if some stupid spreadsheet balance is required.

endless fury should be changed to a spammable with execute explosion from 20%. increase the damage of the initial hit, reduce the explosion damage by the same amount to compensate. leave mages wrath as is.

frags should have the cast time removed. again, if there is some weird spreadsheet accounting required take away the 10% cost reduction and just make it a spammable with a possible proc condition. ideally it should cost highest resource and the proc should cost lowest resource.

remove tormentor activation and just give it major proph and sav passively since pet builds don't have the bar space for inner light / camo hunter

increase sorc weapon damage passive to at least 3%, though 5% would be better so that BiS sorc builds are infused jewels instead of BT

reduce daedric prey damage buff to 20% or even 15%

change bound armaments resource buff to crit damage %

Ingenon

I have completed Arc 1 with multiple characters on PS/NA since the EA Update dropped for us two days ago. I find that Oakensoul One Bar Sorcerer is weaker than Oakensoul One Bar Templar and Oakensoul One Bar Warden, and about the same as Oakensoul One Bar Necromancer. Specifically, my Sorcerer pets died while fighting both the Arc 1 Cycle 4 boss, and the Arc 1 Tho’ at Replicanum.

A dead pet does no heals or damage, and wastes magicka and time to resummon. Since this nerf is not documented in any patch notes I could find, I was concerned that ZOS may have nerfed sorcerer pets across everything. So, I signed up for a VCR trial run, and found that my sorcerer pets stayed alive the entire run, except when I died due to my mistake, and then when the group had a portal wipe. We finished VCR+0 and the pets stayed alive as long as I stayed alive. But the pets die in Endless Archive Arc 1 multiple times.

@ZOS_GinaBruno please consider adding something to patch notes about Endless Archive and dead sorcerer pets, if this is intended behavior. Or please ask the team to fix this behavior if it is not intended. Thanks!