Winged Twilight Auto Unsummon in Towns.

fizzylu

Recently tweaked my sorc build just to rid myself of the headache that is the twilight matriarch. While I have mostly gained more peace, it was at the cost of my classes most reliable burst heal and I find myself now being bothered by other players matriarchs even more.... just can't win with this game, haha. Really wish Zenimax would stop ignoring all the feedback and requests for sorcerer pets to get their models updated, especially for the sake of them being less intrusive. And I just want a real class heal, not just the dark deal nonsense and a burst heal that takes up two slots.... but it seems that is even less likely than sorc pets getting updated.

FeedbackOnly

No

Jimbru

I think the sorc pets need reskinned to something that isn't just a monochrome lavender color. Make them look more like the other Daedra in the game. I also think that if ZOS can make noncombat pets that fly when they move and land when they don't, they should be able to do that with the Winged Twilight so it's not constantly flapping.

shadyjane62

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

I would pay real life money for a bounty certificate that would allow me to kill pets flapping in my face on sitting on my chest.

I would dearly love to play a Sorc, but have no ambition to be a zookeeper.

Kalle_Demos

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

Pelanora wrote: »

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

Most annoying and most loathed, used by a minority and resented by those forced to use it; there's no argument can be made against that thing getting a re skinning, re thinking, shrinking and landing; a foolish feature of zos' benighted and neglected treatment of sorc.

No they're not. People use them and have them out outside of combat because they like them. There are viable non-pet Sorc builds. If the opposite was true then the minority with the problem here in the forums wouldn't be complaining. Don't pretend like the vast majority of the player base is actively sharing their opinions here. they are not. The minority is here. A reminder that the larger community is concerned with actual problems with ESO. This ain't one of them and it's a good thing ZOS is spending time elsewhere.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

Pelanora wrote: »

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

Most annoying and most loathed, used by a minority and resented by those forced to use it; there's no argument can be made against that thing getting a re skinning, re thinking, shrinking and landing; a foolish feature of zos' benighted and neglected treatment of sorc.

No they're not. People use them and have them out outside of combat because they like them. There are viable non-pet Sorc builds. If the opposite was true then the minority with the problem here in the forums wouldn't be complaining. Don't pretend like the vast majority of the player base is actively sharing their opinions here. they are not. The minority is here. A reminder that the larger community is concerned with actual problems with ESO. This ain't one of them and it's a good thing ZOS is spending time elsewhere.

All i can tell you is that if it's causing people discomfort or harm then i can't enjoy using them. Wether if it's a physical discomfort or harm or a psychological one (all psychological processes are biologically based) , if someone is being harmed, i don't want to use it. Treat others the way you want to be treated. If it were your issue you'd want help with it and so would i. And i do when it's my issue. Because that's how civil people behave in a polite society. When someone has a weakness we don't chastise them, we put audible indicators at crosswalks so people who can't see can cross the road, we put ramps at entrances to buildings that have stairs so people bound to wheelchairs can enter and exit. When someone has need, we provide them that need as we are abl;e with food or clothing or shelter. We don't exclude others based on their differences and we dont erect barriers but remove them so as many people as possible can enjoy themselves. Because when everyone can participate and no one is excluded based on ability, we all enjoy it better. I certainly do.

wilykcat

There should be an in-game setting option to toggle hide/unhide pets including winged creatures.

Those who don't mind the winged creatures and pets can see them.

Those who can't stand winged creatures and pets can hide them from view.

This setting will come in handy especially while in cities and towns.

SilverBride

The thing that bothers me most about the winged twilight is the constant movement. If they let them land and sit still when not in combat or moving from here to there it would help. They also could make them a lot smaller so they aren't always in the way.

I agree with @wilykcat that there should be a toggle so players can choose for themselves if they want to see them or not. They hid companions in towns so why not these too?

Pelanora

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

Pelanora wrote: »

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

Most annoying and most loathed, used by a minority and resented by those forced to use it; there's no argument can be made against that thing getting a re skinning, re thinking, shrinking and landing; a foolish feature of zos' benighted and neglected treatment of sorc.

No they're not. People use them and have them out outside of combat because they like them. There are viable non-pet Sorc builds. If the opposite was true then the minority with the problem here in the forums wouldn't be complaining. Don't pretend like the vast majority of the player base is actively sharing their opinions here. they are not. The minority is here. A reminder that the larger community is concerned with actual problems with ESO. This ain't one of them and it's a good thing ZOS is spending time elsewhere.

Sorcs are a minority in the game and those using flappy, that's even fewer players. The whole 'there's bigger problems' is silly. This is something that needs review, as all of sorc skills do, from top to bottom. Sorc skills is a major problem for this game, if it wants to be an mmo, and not just a single class game (the latest class to be released, all else nerfed).

Shara_Wynn

I am all up for the unsummoning of all combat pets when not in combat. Regarding the winged twilight pet however, I would rather it was just made smaller. It just gets in the way when I am trying to target stuff and it's wings are flapping in my face and all over my screen.

It does too much damage to not use it, but why can't ZOS listen to the player base and just make it less conspicuous please. It is annoying to have it's flappy wings all over the shop.

And for the umpteenth time, may we please have a spell effects slider. Please, please, pretty, pretty please. With the addition of the Arcanist's beam, it's just become too much now. So many Arcanists and so many beams and like the twilight pet, it just does too much damage not to be used.

My eyes actually hurt.

Brakkish

Brakkish wrote: »

@TaSHeen thank you!

I'll give that a try tonight.

I just wanted to come back and follow up on my experience with some settings suggested. @TaSheen as you and others had mentioned, that it wouldn't likely help:

Confirmed; did nothing to solve the issue. Hopefully continued feedback to ZOS might prompt a solution for all.

As suggested from others earlier on in the thread; a simple toggle would be nice. That would allow for pet owners who enjoy flappy things in their face to keep them. Meanwhile for others who do not, it would allow the freedom to eliminate the hideous flappy flapertons from a person's precious screen real estate without impacting others.

TaSheen

I really was pretty sure that would be your experience - when they first added that, many people were VERY happy.... until they found out it did literally nothing.

A toggle would be the ideal solution, yes.

MidniteOwl1913

Kalle_Demos wrote: »

No. You do not get to curate other people's gaming experience. The Winged Twilight is a classic and beloved part of the entire ES series that many players of ESO happen to like. If players want them active and following them around town or anywhere else in the game, that is their right and their business. If you don't want to see them there are already settings options for that.

I don't love flappy. I put up with her because I have to (I like pet based sorc). I certainly don't think anyone else should have to. And if it were easier to turn off in places I'm not expecting to be in combat I would do that and not put up with it then either.

twev

Sarannah wrote: »

Though it can be annoying at rare times, ZOS can't do this. As many quests/combat takes place in towns, and players need to be able to fully use their skills there.

Personally I wouldn't be against a new skin/look for the sorc summons. With less flappy, and more hovering, maybe somewhat smaller. Could even be a crown store item, like the different recall animations.

Shagreth wrote: »

So many years of sorcerer feedback regarding pets, so many years of ZOS doing nothing about it. It honestly amazes me, no other company is like this. It's been almost ten years, and the minimal changes to classes, updates to effects, animations etc. is almost shocking. Well, Arcanist is around, the way it looks and plays puts other classes to shame, so here's hoping they do find the courage to change stuff soon, sorc pets included.

Really hope they don't. The old stuff works, and there is no reason to mess with any of it, besides small balance changes. Messing with things like these may anger more players than they may please. (case in point: Templar jabs)

I keep suggesting the Twilight fly higher- above players sightlines.
But I honestly believe the Twilight is designed to be annoying, and therefor wont be changed.

[EDIT: I seem to recall seeing videos of gameplay during beta and shortly after launch that showed Twilghts flying above players heads and not lower, nearer/behind their shoulders.
Can anyone else remember those animations?]

twev

Brakkish wrote: »

Brakkish wrote: »

@TaSHeen thank you!

I'll give that a try tonight.

I just wanted to come back and follow up on my experience with some settings suggested. @TaSheen as you and others had mentioned, that it wouldn't likely help:

Confirmed; did nothing to solve the issue. Hopefully continued feedback to ZOS might prompt a solution for all.

As suggested from others earlier on in the thread; a simple toggle would be nice. That would allow for pet owners who enjoy flappy things in their face to keep them. Meanwhile for others who do not, it would allow the freedom to eliminate the hideous flappy flapertons from a person's precious screen real estate without impacting others.

Absolutely as you recommend the suggestions.

NoticeMeArkay

Shagreth wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Really hope they don't. The old stuff works, and there is no reason to mess with any of it, besides small balance changes. Messing with things like these may anger more players than they may please. (case in point: Templar jabs)

This community is full of people that are scared of change, this is gutting the game long-term. Get over it, please.

I'd dare to say that people aren't afraid of change. Just still haunted by the aftermath of quite some recent ones.
The changes that Zenimax brought in these past 2 years have not exactly been handled with the expected level of expertise and in many cases the aftermath still remains unfixed.

DreamyLu

Brakkish wrote: »

As the title states.

One Sorc with their pet's wings flapping in your face. Slightly annoying.
Two Sorcs, increasingly annoying, and feelings of visual impairment creep in.
Three Sorcs, it's become visually distracting and unappealing, and obstructions to interactables in the area start to occur (e.g., vendors).
Fours Sorcs, its rare granted; but ends up being a thread on the forum where solutions are requested. (Hint: this thread )

There would be no need for that if the hiding followers feature would have a radius of effect around services extended sufficiently.
As is, it's a bit sad, because the problem has its solution, however a bit too short to fulfill its job properly. Players just need to stand a little bit back from services, to still be able to use them, though far enough for followers to no more be covered by the hiding feature.

Treeshka

Hide pets in general and hide players in instanced content should be an in game feature. Latter part really increases client performance a lot.

TheImperfect

gariondavey wrote: »

Pretty sure you can turn them off on your screen through a setting

Doesn't seem to work for me. I'd happily never see them again, except maybe in dungeons. They annoy the hell out of me. I like the design of them but it's the bobbing and flapping drives me nuts. If they landed and stayed still it wouldn't be so bad but would prefer not see them especially in town and quest givers and wayshrines, banks etc.

thedocbwarren

TheImperfect wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Pretty sure you can turn them off on your screen through a setting

Doesn't seem to work for me. I'd happily never see them again, except maybe in dungeons. They annoy the hell out of me. I like the design of them but it's the bobbing and flapping drives me nuts. If they landed and stayed still it wouldn't be so bad but would prefer not see them especially in town and quest givers and wayshrines, banks etc.

Seems like every time I logon I get a flapping nightmare in my face. Tired of these things.

SilverBride

gariondavey wrote: »

Pretty sure you can turn them off on your screen through a setting

The option to limit followers in town doesn't work. I was at the Clothing Station in Rawl'kha and there was a Sorcerer right at the crafting table with their Twilight Matriarch and Clannfear very visible and in the way, even though I have the option to limit them toggled on.

zaria

SilverBride wrote: »

The thing that bothers me most about the winged twilight is the constant movement. If they let them land and sit still when not in combat or moving from here to there it would help. They also could make them a lot smaller so they aren't always in the way.

I agree with @wilykcat that there should be a toggle so players can choose for themselves if they want to see them or not. They hid companions in towns so why not these too?

Would love that they landed then you are not moving and not in combat like the flying none combat pets. Harpies can do this already and I think it would look cute.

Veinblood1965

I'm a flappy wing pet sorc and I am getting tired of the darn thing also. It just follows too close, can't fish with it, can't do vendor or banking things with it as the pop up screen shows the flapping all the time and it's annoying. Besides to be honest the thing is just plain ugly. Re-design the darn thing please?

gwdodd

I've enjoyed running a pet-free magsorc for years. Probably one of my overall favorite classes/builds.
I don't understand the parades players prefer to have following them around everywhere. It's probably the thing about this game I hate the most.

I also understand those of us that feel the same way are a very minute population of the player base, unfortunately.