Let's make major wrong behavior list which noob player should not do in group dungeon.

AvalonRanger

Let's make major wrong behavior list which noob player should not do in group dungeon.

1, Don't steal taunt from real tank . If you're not tank, then don't equip any of taunt skill.
Or, if you're tank role. Must use taunt skill, and don't be fake tank build.
If you don't have tank building knowledge yet, then don't queue as tank.

2, Don't stand in front of tank.

3, Don't stand back of the healer. (you can't receive any of direct healing.)

4, Don't equip "ring of pale order".

5, Don't ignore non DLC Vet hard mode scroll or hard mode mech.
(If you ignore this, then someone will leave. Or you'll be kicked.)

6, Don't push hard mode switch of Vet DLC dungeon, if you don't ready for it enough.

7, Eat something buff food at the starting point.

8, Don't keep standing damage AoE

9. If you're Damage Dealer(DD, DPS), don't use restoration staff and shield.

10. Healer must have healing skill for your team mate. Don't be fake healer.

Maybe, there're so many other bad behavior of noob...
If you're experienced player, please post here.

GlassHalfFull

How about "Don't be a noob. Become educated by reading starter ESO web pages and watching dungeon videos."

AvalonRanger

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

How about "Don't be a noob. Become educated by reading starter ESO web pages and watching dungeon videos."

Good point!!

Soarora

I think you’ve got most of it covered.

Healers need to use orb or shard (templar) and aim it at their tank.

Say you’re new to the dungeon at the beginning and people will usually explain mechanics.

DON’T PULL BEFORE THE TANK. This is the most frustrating thing ever. Even in trash, you’re messing up the pull and making stacking harder. Pull before me and I’m instantly in a bad mood. Some tanks might just stand there and see if you’ll die…

It’s expected that the healer wears SPC and the tank supplies penetration (major/minor breach at minimum).

valenwood_vegan

Personally, I'm glad that when I was new I lucked out and found some people who just had a fun time learning and doing dungeons together and didn't get all stressed about every little thing.

SilverBride

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

How about "Don't be a noob. Become educated by reading starter ESO web pages and watching dungeon videos."

I've been playing MMOs for decades and have done a lot of end game content in multiple games and I never read web pages or watched videos on how to play. The best way to learn these is by doing and feedback and advice from others.

boi_anachronism_

Id say the basic is dont stand in front of the tank, dont pull, and dont stand in the giant red aoes. Dont need a master class in mmos to know that much. Its common sense. As a tank i will say while it is incredibly annoying some new dps dont know what a taunt skill is, especially if they sword and board because they think that is a fine option for dps as a total newbie and the first skill is puncture. If they are obviously new i give em a pass.

Vaqual

people learn by making mistakes. a couple deaths will make it clear. if it doesn't impact the run, it doesn't matter. if it does, you can still tell them.

AvalonRanger

If you're healer, keep searching allay who need healing in specific situation.
Must keep watching every field, don't be narrow sight.

Basically, end-game quality tank doesn't need healing in most of case.
But in some specific mech of Vet dungeon, tank need direct healing even toughest tank.
(EX Breath heavy attack of last boss in Earthen Root.)

boi_anachronism_

AvalonRanger wrote: »

If you're healer, keep searching allay who need healing in specific situation.
Must keep watching every field, don't be narrow sight.

Basically, end-game quality tank doesn't need healing in most of case.
But in some specific mech of Vet dungeon, tank need direct healing even toughest tank.
(EX Breath heavy attack of last boss in Earthen Root.)

I mean i suppose you could get away with 3 heavy sorcs and a tank but they would have to be reaal organized. Yeah ideally you want a real good healer. Basically breath is block and pray.

tincanman

Don't use any kind of random group finder for dungeons unless you know most, preferably all, your group before hand.

When you know the people you play with, there's never 'major wrong behavior ......should not do in group dungeon'.

ForzaRammer

How about don’t even go in vet and sandbad people if such player is no better than a companion

El_Borracho

Don't jump into a veteran dungeon, especially vet DLC, and expect to be carried.

Don't jump into a veteran dungeon, especially vet DLC, and expect to be able to instantly understand all mechanics.

Don't jump into a veteran dungeon, especially vet DLC, and get all upset when someone won't give you the monster helmet in the weight you want.

Don't expect us to believe your PVP Werewolf is a PVE tank. Its not. Don't lie about solo tanking vMOL with it.

Don't think you're fooling anyone that you are a real tank while sporting 2 daggers. And since you are obviously fake tanking, DON'T DIE. We're cool with a fake tank helping out the group as long as we don't have to keep rezzing you.

Second best piece of advice:
As @GlassHalfFull said, at least look at a walkthrough on mechanics for DLC dungeons before jumping in. You're not going to understand something like vet Graven Deep by playing through cold. And on something like Falkreath, not knowing the mechanics will lead to to a group wipe by running out of pillars

The #1 best piece of advice:
If you find that don't know what you are doing, or are confused, or you keep dying from one mechanic, or you are just stuck, please, PLEASE ask for help. We all see you dying. We're just waiting for you to ask for help because we have all been accused of being toxic for daring to ask if someone in your position knows the mechanics.

AvalonRanger

In Vet dungeon, don't go straight and don't ignore advice, if someone mention about mech.

AvalonRanger

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

How about "Don't be a noob. Become educated by reading starter ESO web pages and watching dungeon videos."

I agree with you. ESO very needs pre-studying process.

But...　

Well, good designed AAA game doesn't need youtube tutorial.
Because the good game already has good game flow design, so people easily can understand
what hell happen on the field.

However, ZOS can't design the game actually "good".
So, we'll meet lots of noob filter, especially in dungeon.

MidniteOwl1913

Stay with the party. I know sometimes one player may always run ahead, but for the group to work together they need to at least stay on the same screen...

MidniteOwl1913

AvalonRanger wrote: »

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

How about "Don't be a noob. Become educated by reading starter ESO web pages and watching dungeon videos."

I agree with you. ESO very needs pre-studying process.

But...　

Well, good designed AAA game doesn't need youtube tutorial.
Because the good game already has good game flow design, so people easily can understand
what hell happen on the field.

However, ZOS can't design the game actually "good".
So, we'll meet lots of noob filter, especially in dungeon.

I know. I've read a vet walkthrough for all the dungeons at least once, but sometimes especially for the less popular ones I can't always remember the mechanics. There are so many dungeons now! And in normal dungeons, almost no one ever pays attention to the mechanics. I've just given up even for the ones where I do remember.

mdjessup4906

Unless you are doing mechanics or getting out of red, STAY STACKED ON BOSS, even on a ranged build. Stacking minimizes some mechs, helps control adds, and makes it easier for the healer to keep you alive.

Also if something is chasing you, bring it to the tank so they can pull it off you easier, don't run all over with it.

Jaimeh

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Let's make major wrong behavior list which noob player should not do in group dungeon.

1, Don't steal taunt from real tank . If you're not tank, then don't equip any of taunt skill.
Or, if you're tank role. Must use taunt skill, and don't be fake tank build.
If you don't have tank building knowledge yet, then don't queue as tank.

2, Don't stand in front of tank.

3, Don't stand back of the healer. (you can't receive any of direct healing.)

4, Don't equip "ring of pale order".

5, Don't ignore non DLC Vet hard mode scroll or hard mode mech.
(If you ignore this, then someone will leave. Or you'll be kicked.)

6, Don't push hard mode switch of Vet DLC dungeon, if you don't ready for it enough.

7, Eat something buff food at the starting point.

8, Don't keep standing damage AoE

9. If you're Damage Dealer(DD, DPS), don't use restoration stuff and shield.

10. Healer must have healing skill for your team mate. Don't be fake healer.

Maybe, there're so many other bad behavior of noob...
If you're experienced player, please post here.

I think you're referring to different levels of competence here, because you wouldn't find 'noobs' that don't know to eat buff food in vet DLC dungeons. This all good advice, but I don't think it's for the same level of player.

autocookies

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El_Borracho

autocookies wrote: »

I disagree with this. - I have olo for both Vampires and Pale's - you do what you want (as long as you know what your doing). Healer is an extra dps? Can definitely work with that too.

It is frowned upon in group content, especially in raids (yes, I know this is a dungeons thread). While you can totally run the tank + 3 DDs format, when you have a healer, they like to heal.

Necrotech_Master

El_Borracho wrote: »

autocookies wrote: »

I disagree with this. - I have olo for both Vampires and Pale's - you do what you want (as long as you know what your doing). Healer is an extra dps? Can definitely work with that too.

It is frowned upon in group content, especially in raids (yes, I know this is a dungeons thread). While you can totally run the tank + 3 DDs format, when you have a healer, they like to heal.

in a group of 4, the pale order will still be providing some self healing, though it still blocks heals from allies (-4% per ally, so -12% in group of 4 since it excludes yourself

in a group of 12, the pale order is doing functionally nothing except blocking heals from allies (its kind of a joke in our trials, when we are about to start our run the lead asks if we are ready and someone sometimes chimes up "yeah i got my pale order ring im good to go" lol, other times when someone does die its joked that they were wearing pale order lol)

AvalonRanger

Jaimeh wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Let's make major wrong behavior list which noob player should not do in group dungeon.

1, Don't steal taunt from real tank . If you're not tank, then don't equip any of taunt skill.
Or, if you're tank role. Must use taunt skill, and don't be fake tank build.
If you don't have tank building knowledge yet, then don't queue as tank.

2, Don't stand in front of tank.

3, Don't stand back of the healer. (you can't receive any of direct healing.)

4, Don't equip "ring of pale order".

5, Don't ignore non DLC Vet hard mode scroll or hard mode mech.
(If you ignore this, then someone will leave. Or you'll be kicked.)

6, Don't push hard mode switch of Vet DLC dungeon, if you don't ready for it enough.

7, Eat something buff food at the starting point.

8, Don't keep standing damage AoE

9. If you're Damage Dealer(DD, DPS), don't use restoration stuff and shield.

10. Healer must have healing skill for your team mate. Don't be fake healer.

Maybe, there're so many other bad behavior of noob...
If you're experienced player, please post here.

I think you're referring to different levels of competence here, because you wouldn't find 'noobs' that don't know to eat buff food in vet DLC dungeons. This all good advice, but I don't think it's for the same level of player.

Good noob = Keep listening and learn from it. So, good noob can become experienced player.
Bad noob = Always brain dead.

Simple enough. I saw CP 2400 noob before. Bad noob is always noob.

boi_anachronism_

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

GlassHalfFull wrote: »

How about "Don't be a noob. Become educated by reading starter ESO web pages and watching dungeon videos."

I agree with you. ESO very needs pre-studying process.

But...　

Well, good designed AAA game doesn't need youtube tutorial.
Because the good game already has good game flow design, so people easily can understand
what hell happen on the field.

However, ZOS can't design the game actually "good".
So, we'll meet lots of noob filter, especially in dungeon.

I know. I've read a vet walkthrough for all the dungeons at least once, but sometimes especially for the less popular ones I can't always remember the mechanics. There are so many dungeons now! And in normal dungeons, almost no one ever pays attention to the mechanics. I've just given up even for the ones where I do remember.

I can tell you right now i read the mechs for vet scalecaller about 50x before i tried it my first time. I still wasnt prepared. That said it was worth doing it gave me an idea atleast. I was lucky enough to end up with 3 very lovely vet players who helped me through, encouraged me, and kept picking my dumb butt up off the ground over and over. They gave me all their drops and congratulated me on my first clear. They actually threw flower petals on my toon at the end.

A gentle reminder to not paint all of us vet players with the same brush, ive walked many a new player through their first vet since.

spartaxoxo

Don't queue for vet dungeons as a DPS if you don't have enough damage.

AvalonRanger

AvalonRanger wrote: »

5, Don't ignore non DLC Vet hard mode scroll or hard mode mech.
(If you ignore this, then someone will leave. Or you'll be kicked.)

for hardmode 2key reward of Non DLC dungeon

1, Vet Banishing Cell-2 last boss -->> Don't attack Deadroth

2, Fungal grotto-2 last boss -->> Don't enter the dark dome. Kill the boss without Dome.

3, Darkshade Caverns-2 last boss -->> Don't use lever. (If your healer is fake or crappy player,
then 2DD will be dead.)

4, Cript of Heart-2 last boss --> Don't kill the any Ghost enemy ( Don't attack the Ghost), until boss use the sword.
(When boss health become 35%, then boss use the sword)

5, SpindleeClutch2 last boss --> You activate this Hardmode by not killing the sacrifices

6, Wayrest 2 last boss --> Kill the zombies during boss fight.

7, In other non DLC dungeon, must read the scrolls at the last boss.
DO NOT attack the last boss before reading scrolls in non DLC Vet dungeon.

"Farewell noob days Vestige, I hope that you keep walking in the light, always."

AvalonRanger

If you find small green circle on the floor in DLC dungeon . Just step on it, and press "X"(PC mode).
Do it as fast as you can.

You'll become huge werewolf or small robot mouse.

AvalonRanger

If you're real healer, at least, you must have one direct healing skill for your team for just in case.
Don't keep standing behind your people with only area healing skill.

svendf

As a DD, don´t que as anything, but a DD

Don´t speedrun. Don´t skip.
If you see a high cp support role. Don´t assume they know everything, as it could be a new character (Tank, Healer).
A WW isn´t a tank. Now you know.
Skip the Paleorder ring - it´s a solo item.
Everythin can be leveled in Overland. Why are you using a Resto staff or taunt as a dd - slot something else.

Outside Dungeons:

If you see a low level leveling. Don´t blast everything in the area just because you can, and want to look cool. You aint cool. Leave the new player´s alone and let them level.

TybaltKaine

Hard disagree with not using a resto staff or shield as a DD.

If I'm pulling my weight as a DPS, I can wear what I want. Use the marking system to ID the tank, or give them crown (which is best practice) if you are worried about role confusion. Healer can be marked with Icon as well.

You don't get to kick me because my axe and shield DD build doesn't fit some weird criteria you have.

svendf

I fail to understand why a dd need a resto staff on bb or fb unless a dd took the healer spot. With a healer on the healer spot ? I just need to learn I guess. Can´t know everything.

So ofc Im sorry that it is received in the wrong way.