Wrathsun Set Discussion (Endless Archive Templar Set)

Gray_howling_parrot

I think rating this set prior to testing it out, making a build for it, changing CP, etc is going to be tough. Come back and ask this late next week and I think you’ll have some better answers.

I think the IDEA of class sets is SUPER cool and I’m beyond excited to check them out. Will they be BIS? Probably not and definitely not in all situations. But for big long boss fights? Like maybe IN the endless archive? Yea I bet they’re great! Maybe for Vateshran and Maelstrom too! But who knows? Hard to say before any testing.

10/10 excited for sure. Any new addition and change up to what we have is exciting to me.

chessalavakia_ESO

8/10, Situational BiS

If I'm interpreting it correctly, you build stacks from damage ticks and when you hit 50 you get +25% damage with Dawns Wrath for 10 seconds and a Wrathful Nova goes off.

I would assume that would be rather potent in some situations.

Losing half of your magicka would seriously stink for some builds so I don't think it will be something that gets anywhere near universal usage even among people that actually run the Endless Enough to get it.

Further, it might be a bit unwieldy at times as the buff may not actually fire in some fights or may fire when you don't actually need it.

I would assume that the majority of the sets they have put out do actually function because many of them sound quite confusing and many don't seem like they would be that fun. ZOS has a significant number of developers and it's likely that many of them do actually like the classes in the game and as such would have no shortage of ideas for sets they'd like to see. The fact that most of them sound more functional than fun suggests that they do have a real purpose.

Realistically, we might be talking 15-20 minutes per item set piece drop. If the sets don't do the job at all, unless people really like the gameplay they aren't going to run it.

jommerryrth

i got a 40 in 1080p screen and i cant read that text from the image from my couch so i have no way of knowing.

TechMaybeHic

1/10, Terrible.

50% of your current magicka after giving you 600 mag recovery, basically will make this a proc that is the first to cost resources, and at a cost probably at least double the next highest mag cost ability. For them to make the proc anywhere near strong enough to be worth that, would be to make it ridiculously unbalanced.

Absolutely garbage

chessalavakia_ESO

8/10, Situational BiS

Thy_Game_Is_Over wrote: »

i got a 40 in 1080p screen and i cant read that text from the image from my couch so i have no way of knowing.

(2 items) Adds 121 Weapon and Spell Damage
(3 items) Adds 618 Critical Chance
(4 items) Adds 121 Weapon and Spell Damage
(5 items) When you deal damage with Dawn's Wrath ability, you gain a stack of Sunlight for 10 seconds, once per attack. You can have 50 stacks max and gain 12 Magicka Recovery per stack. When at max stacks, your Dawn's Wrath abilities deal 25% bonus damage and a Wrathful Nova is cast on the enemy, but you cannot refresh Sunlight.

Edit:

"When sunlight expires at max stacks, you lose 50% of your current magicka"

TechMaybeHic

1/10, Terrible.

And at the bottom

"When sunlight expires at max stacks, you lose 50% of your current magicka"

jommerryrth

ty!

Dagoth_Rac

3/10, Pretty bad.

It seems to be damage set, but is useless on Stamplar. Might be useless on Magplar, too, but even more useless on Stamplar. We are not gonna spam Dawn's Wrath skills or need mag recovery. Assuming future sets are healing and tanking, Stamplar will get no class set?

Necrotech_Master

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

It seems to be damage set, but is useless on Stamplar. Might be useless on Magplar, too, but even more useless on Stamplar. We are not gonna spam Dawn's Wrath skills or need mag recovery. Assuming future sets are healing and tanking, Stamplar will get no class set?

i run a stamplar, and the only dawns wrath ability i use regularly is jesus beam, but not until the enemy is already in execute (30-35% hp left)

unless execute lasts for more than 2 minutes, its unlikely i would see this proc off unless i also tried to use some other skill to build up stacks slowly during the fight like reflective light or vampires bane (which wont be too hard on mag if you have to use it only like every 8 sec to keep the stacks from falling off)

i personally think 50 stacks is way too high, especially if it only applies 1 stack per attack

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

1/10, Terrible.

What a joke. Please just stop insulting Templars, Zos.

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

This is all just pointless speculation for the moment. At least wait until it drops on PTS so that it can be tested out. THEN wait 3-4 weeks to see how it gets altered during the PTS changes.

My guess is that using this set will REQUIRE dps magplars to use the Nova ultimate to actually benefit. However, it's going to be a big grind to get the right pieces of each class set, in combo with whichever other mythic/set pieces you are already using.

Dagoth_Rac

3/10, Pretty bad.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

It seems to be damage set, but is useless on Stamplar. Might be useless on Magplar, too, but even more useless on Stamplar. We are not gonna spam Dawn's Wrath skills or need mag recovery. Assuming future sets are healing and tanking, Stamplar will get no class set?

i run a stamplar, and the only dawns wrath ability i use regularly is jesus beam, but not until the enemy is already in execute (30-35% hp left)

unless execute lasts for more than 2 minutes, its unlikely i would see this proc off unless i also tried to use some other skill to build up stacks slowly during the fight like reflective light or vampires bane (which wont be too hard on mag if you have to use it only like every 8 sec to keep the stacks from falling off)

i personally think 50 stacks is way too high, especially if it only applies 1 stack per attack

But even if you use Vampire/Reflective to get stacks before execute, is 25% stronger Vampire/Reflective for 10s worth a 5-piece bonus? What do you give up? Deadly is 15% stronger Vampire/Reflective/JesusBeam with 100% uptime, plus 15% stronger everything else, too. One of the Trial sets? Ansuul is 12% stronger (Minor Slayer + Ansuul unique bonus) Vampire/Reflective/JesusBeam with 100% uptime, plus 12% stronger everything else, too. Bahsei/Coral? Whorl/Relequen?

Maybe something will get adjusted on PTS or maybe that "Wrathful Nova" proc will be really strong. But this just looks awful on first glance. Conditions are time consuming, buff is brief, only affects a few skills, only one of those skills is strong but you also only use it at very end of a fight making the damage buff barely noticeable for most of fight, only gives recovery for one stat, the loss of half your magicka is a nasty downside, the magicka loss happens at precisely the time that you lose the set's mag recovery buff making it an even harsher penalty.

It is an overly convoluted set yet doesn't seem to come close to rewarding you for the hassle.

haelgaan

1/10, Terrible.

i guess they want to make cool looking sets that get everyone excited but are actually crappy so they don't disrupt the meta?

merpins

3/10, Pretty bad.

haelgaan wrote: »

i guess they want to make cool looking sets that get everyone excited but are actually crappy so they don't disrupt the meta?

I guess, for the most part. The tanking, healing, and support sets they've announced (necro, warden, and arcanist respectively) look particularly pretty good for those styles of gameplay. Templar's obviously looks pretty trash, I've heard DKs are kinda excited for their set (of course since the devs just love wrapping gifts up for dks), Sorcs looks pretty good though it'd need to be tested, and I like the idea behind NB's since it'll let me do my favorite playstyle that was nerfed into the ground in 2017 (albeit not as good as it used to be).

SaffronCitrusflower

1/10, Terrible.

That set seems totally worthless for a Stamplar and not that great for a magplar either. There are already much better sets for magplar.

ArchMikem

4/10, Not good, niche at best.

It takes a really long time to reach max charge, then sucks half your Magicka pool just for a proc attack?

Cloudrest

4/10, Not good, niche at best.

Look, the idea isn't terrible. Templar desperately needs that 25% damage buff to Dawn's Wrath abilities, especially Backlash in PvP. The idea of generating stacks to buff an ability isn't terrible, and it's something that I can get behind; Templar's sustain is lacking in PvP as well, so 12 recov per stack for a max of 600 is neat. I can see the potential here.

However, you need 50 stacks that last ten seconds per stack by dealing damage with a Dawn's Wrath ability? I'm sorry, but there's no feasible way to reach that in PvP for it to ever be considered a set that'd be slotted over something like Mechanical Acuity or even something that provides raw, basic damage such as Clever Alchemist. Meta Plar setups in Cyrodiil aren't running something like Solar Barrage and 50 ticks of beam or 50 hits of Backlash whilst maintaining your stacks for a 10s buff just doesn't seem worth it.

It'd need to be like, 5 stacks at most for it for the buff to be even considered worth it in PvP. 50 is wayyyy too much.

But ESO isn't balanced around PvP. PvE, ehh, I can see this being a niche somewhat starter set. It's outperformed already by a lot of others, and I don't really see how it'd be BiS anywhere. My takeaway from the class-based set livestream is that the DK and NB sets are rather overturned, and the rest of the sets for the other classes are fairly mediocre. I'm not sure why the two strongest classes in the meta are getting insanely good sets, but here we are, I guess. Templar needs those intentional weaknesses while those two lovechildren of ZOS get everything else, right?

notyuu

1/10, Terrible.

Needs 50 stacks and does NOTHING for stamplar, do I need to explain further?

chessalavakia_ESO

8/10, Situational BiS

Cloudrest wrote: »

Look, the idea isn't terrible. Templar desperately needs that 25% damage buff to Dawn's Wrath abilities, especially Backlash in PvP. The idea of generating stacks to buff an ability isn't terrible, and it's something that I can get behind; Templar's sustain is lacking in PvP as well, so 12 recov per stack for a max of 600 is neat. I can see the potential here.

However, you need 50 stacks that last ten seconds per stack by dealing damage with a Dawn's Wrath ability? I'm sorry, but there's no feasible way to reach that in PvP for it to ever be considered a set that'd be slotted over something like Mechanical Acuity or even something that provides raw, basic damage such as Clever Alchemist. Meta Plar setups in Cyrodiil aren't running something like Solar Barrage and 50 ticks of beam or 50 hits of Backlash whilst maintaining your stacks for a 10s buff just doesn't seem worth it.

It'd need to be like, 5 stacks at most for it for the buff to be even considered worth it in PvP. 50 is wayyyy too much.

But ESO isn't balanced around PvP. PvE, ehh, I can see this being a niche somewhat starter set. It's outperformed already by a lot of others, and I don't really see how it'd be BiS anywhere. My takeaway from the class-based set livestream is that the DK and NB sets are rather overturned, and the rest of the sets for the other classes are fairly mediocre. I'm not sure why the two strongest classes in the meta are getting insanely good sets, but here we are, I guess. Templar needs those intentional weaknesses while those two lovechildren of ZOS get everything else, right?

If it stacks via ticks, you might be able to proc it rapidly in PvP. If I recall correctly, Reflective Light can apply a dot to three targets at once. So, if a large number of people approaches where you are you might be able to quickly proc it by spamming it into the crowd.

The +25% damage might impact Nova and it's morphs which might make them more lethal.

Jarl_Ironheart

1/10, Terrible.

This doesn't look even remotely good or fun to use. It says it is for templars but it only affects magicka. Why doesn't it effect all the skill lines or have a cool effect. I really can't think of a build I would personally use that would make me have to get this.

VinnyGambini

3/10, Pretty bad.

Set seems very bad. Not even close to deadly strike. DK is going to receive major+minor herosim, and templar is getting ult that nobody is using.

Want to make it better?

Make it stack with every templar class ability, so when you use jabs + some dots you get like 4 stacks per second, also give the 25% boost to every class ability as well. Only this way ppl will use it.