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Wrathsun Set Discussion (Endless Archive Templar Set)

merpins
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Edited by merpins on September 15, 2023 11:29PM

Wrathsun Set Discussion (Endless Archive Templar Set) 96 votes

10/10, BiS
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Túrin_VidsmidrItsNotLivingdanko355 3 votes
9/10, Possible BiS
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Darkdexoogaboogaoogabooga 2 votes
8/10, Situational BiS
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chessalavakia_ESO 1 vote
7/10, Good, possible great depending on your build.
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TheDarkRulerFroilLongstrikerRiddariQuinnTheWolfNachoProblemTyrant_TimSnowybear 8 votes
6/10, Good.
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TieberionrandomguyderkaiserlicheXSTRONG 4 votes
5/10, Okay at best.
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GedericVeeskMafiaCat115ZBH33 4 votes
4/10, Not good, niche at best.
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3/10, Pretty bad.
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2/10, Unusable.
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mmtaniacKlauthWarthogJinxxy85harvey07endgamesmug 5 votes
1/10, Terrible.
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  • merpins
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    3/10, Pretty bad.
    My opinion: You gotta use a lot of Dawn's Wrath abilities to make use of this set. Everyone is using the execute and the 5% buff skill, and most people are using the burst minor breach skill. But getting 50 stacks in one combat with only Dawn's Wrath is a big ask. You won't get 50 stacks in an execute phase most of the time, enemies and bosses will die in that phase before this really becomes useful. Then when you hit 50 stacks, you get the bonus you want for 10 seconds. Even if Wrathful Nova is an amazing DOT, I'd say it's pretty bad. It will never replace a proc set or Deadly in its current state, and is overall disappointing. The Wrathful Nova effect mentioned in the tooltip would need to be a super overtuned DOT for this set to even be okay.
    Edited by merpins on September 15, 2023 5:20AM
  • jtm1018
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    1/10, Terrible.
    Terrible, I dont know what it is.
  • RaptorRodeoGod
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    Need to test to see if it procs once per skill cast, or once per ability tick. If it's the former, it's crap, if it's the latter, it's not bad. The wording can be interpreted either way
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  • Rkindaleft
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    I can imagine that it could've been used on extremely long fights that where you can parse for a significant amount of time (such as Falgravn hm) then I can imagine that it would have been used to some effectiveness, Vampire's Bane is whatever since it's a really weak DoT and is mostly used if you're doing Heroism or something, PoTL and execute seem nice, as well as Solar Barrage.

    However, the only time your are even beaming instead of your spammable (which isn't buffed) is like below 40% and I can't imagine you'd be getting to full stacks in execute outside of long fights.

    Obviously nobody has tested it yet but it sounds like it should be reworked. I can imagine it would have some niche applications if Sunlight stacks are built up over each individual tick and not per cast, then getting it in execute might not be that hard.
    Edited by Rkindaleft on September 15, 2023 5:40AM
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  • TheDarkRuler
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    7/10, Good, possible great depending on your build.
    I am not 100% against this set. Since the stacks build up upon each damage-tick it should be really important to play Vampires Bane ( https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/vampires-bane ) and Solar Barrage ( https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/solar-barrage ) because those skills deal constant damage and thus give more ticks.

    However why would I need resource regeneration on a DPS build. Normally I am flooding with resources especially when resulting to DOT builds, so an increase in Weapon/SpellDmg might be better. Also it is unclear what the "nova" means in the end. Does it mean we get a free Dawns Wrath ultimate without even slotting it?
  • merpins
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    3/10, Pretty bad.
    Need to test to see if it procs once per skill cast, or once per ability tick. If it's the former, it's crap, if it's the latter, it's not bad. The wording can be interpreted either way

    Even if it's the latter, I don't think it'll replace the sets that templar already use unless that undescribed Wrathful Nova effect is super good. it's still basically two procs every second at best.
  • Rkindaleft
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    I am not 100% against this set. Since the stacks build up upon each damage-tick it should be really important to play Vampires Bane ( https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/vampires-bane ) and Solar Barrage ( https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/solar-barrage ) because those skills deal constant damage and thus give more ticks.

    However why would I need resource regeneration on a DPS build. Normally I am flooding with resources especially when resulting to DOT builds, so an increase in Weapon/SpellDmg might be better. Also it is unclear what the "nova" means in the end. Does it mean we get a free Dawns Wrath ultimate without even slotting it?

    Has it been confirmed if it is per tick? It might be alright in that case but I couldn't watch the stream.

    If it's a per cast thing then I would think that this is another set for the garbage bin.
    Edited by Rkindaleft on September 15, 2023 5:49AM
    https://youtube.com/@rkindaleft PlayStation NA. I upload parses and trial POVs sometimes.
    6/9 Trial Trifecta achievements.
    Tick Tock Tormentor | Immortal Redeemer | Gryphon Heart | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Planesbreaker

    Scores:
    VMOL 172,828 (PSNA Server Record)
    VHOF 226,036
    VAS 116,298
    VCR 132,542
    VSS 246,143
    VKA 242,910
    VRG 294,543
  • Turtle_Bot
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    The idea behind this set is interesting and hitting the right pain points for templar (lack of damage and mobile sustain). But the implementation and downsides to the set are not good.

    For what I would do with, make the stacks be granted per damage instance instead of per cast (this gives solar barrage and sun fire something worth looking into to quickly ramp the stacks) then I would rework the downside, make reaching max stacks consume half of them to give you a different buff for a slightly shorter duration (7 seconds to the stacks 10 seconds) that has a cooldown (keep the inability to gain stacks while this buff is active) and if you let your stacks fall off while that new buff is active then it reduces current magicka by 10-15% (this gives 3 seconds to gain another stack to keep the stacks up).

    For example it could read:
    When you deal damage with a Dawns Wrath ability, gain a stack of Sunlight for 10 seconds (30 max). Each stack of Sunlight grants 15 magicka and stamina recovery. When you reach max stats, you consume half of your Sunlight stacks to gain Suns Wrath for 7 seconds. Suns Wrath increases the damage your Dawns Wrath abilities deal by 25% and casts a Wrathful Nova on the first enemy hit by a dawns wrath ability upon gaining Suns Wrath. You cannot gain Sunlight stacks while you have Suns Wrath active. If you lose all Sunlight stacks you lose 10% of your current magicka and stamina.

    This way its faster to build up and doesn't require as much casting, it gives some additional utility to less often used abilities such as solar barrage and sun fire, it gives max 450 recoveries to both stam and mag (so its not just mag that benefits from this set), getting to max stacks is also not a guaranteed hit to your current resource pools when they run out but can be detrimental if the enemy times a stun properly or you let the stacks fall off at the wrong time allowing for some good skill expression when using this set and going against plars that run this set.
  • SCP343
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    templar no need sustain in pve cant imagine people use this set in pvp
  • amig186
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    1/10, Terrible.
    Too many stacks. The +25% damage from dawn's wrath tree is nice, but most of my damage comes from aedric spear, and then you have the downside (can be an upside if you're using Bahsei I guess?) of losing half of your max magicka when the stacks expire. Does not seem worth the effort to me.
    PC EU
  • Lykeion
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    From what we know of the seven new class sets, it seems that they are far from the 'game changer' mentioned in the stream.
    Edited by Lykeion on September 15, 2023 7:20AM
  • UsualSurrender
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    If the stacks are per attack and not per tick, it is just good for dummy humping, and will push the templar even further into its current state:
    only good for execute phase on trial bosses.

    If it is per tick... well that may actually be very good. But the "once per attack" make it sound like that is not the case.
    Edited by UsualSurrender on September 15, 2023 9:19AM
  • HedgeHugger
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    Whatever happened to good old "adds X amount of damage"?
  • KlauthWarthog
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    2/10, Unusable.
    Only reason it is not 1/10 is that the 2-4 bonuses do not suck.
  • Castagere
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    If I remember correctly Templars have 3 skill lines.
  • mmtaniac
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    2/10, Unusable.
    If damage will stack from aedric spear abilities than it's ok but dawn's wrath skills are bad in damage, i use mostly living dark and sometimes potl.
    Potl grant not enough stack for this. It's impossible to stack ,only if you spam or use vampire bane and solar barrage at the same time. I can't even use nova because it's too expensive as a templar ultimate and can't be recasted to another area.

    Whole Dawn's Wrath skill tree need changes except living dark.
  • KlauthWarthog
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    2/10, Unusable.
    Castagere wrote: »
    If I remember correctly Templars have 3 skill lines.

    In theory, this is only the first batch. There will be another 2 sets for each class, eventually, each set covering one of the class' skill lines.
  • the1andonlyskwex
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    It's impossible to say if this is good or not based on just the description here. It's somewhat ambiguous whether the stacks are per-cast or per-tick (or how they build in fights where multiple targets are taking damage simultaneously), and we have no idea what a Wrathful Nova is.

    If it's per-tick and Wrathful Nova is good, then this could easily be BiS; if it's per-tick and Wrathful Nova is bad, then it will probably be build-dependent (with Dark Flare builds possibly becoming viable); and if it's per-cast, it's almost certainly trash because you won't be able to reliably build 50 stacks in a single fight.
    Edited by the1andonlyskwex on September 15, 2023 11:02AM
  • the1andonlyskwex
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    SCP343 wrote: »
    templar no need sustain in pve cant imagine people use this set in pvp

    You'll need the sustain to make up for losing half of your Magicka all the time.
    Edited by the1andonlyskwex on September 15, 2023 11:33AM
  • gariondavey
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    1/10, Terrible.
    From a pvp perspective I'd pretty much never use it in its current state.
    PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden
  • Lozeenge
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    can't really pass judgement yet as this description is awfully vague. what's a Wrathful Nova? if it's based off the ultimate, then that's pretty strong if a set lets you drop a free ulti!

    what does it exactly mean by "once per attack" when dealing damage with an ability adds a stack? i hope it's not per cast, since you need 50 stacks to proc the set's damage capabilities.

    if we're going off face-value, it just looks like a RP set. not gonna be BiS by a long shot but it's a neat idea. lots of dawn's wrath abilities deal DoT so it's easy enough to build stacks with a basic magplar build. ain't no one gonna be using it in pvp though.
    PC-NA / 1500+ CP / PvE mostly / "Mama didn't raise no tank."
  • svendf
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    This needs to be tested, as it may be very good for some than others. Who say it´s for a DD, anyway´s

    RP set ? Ah, ok. Like in MmoRpg :)
    Edited by svendf on September 15, 2023 5:11PM
  • Lozeenge
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    svendf wrote: »
    This needs to be tested, as it may be very good for some than others. Who say it´s for a DD, anyway´s

    RP set ? Ah, ok. Like in MmoRpg :)
    a set that procs on damage dealt and increases the damage of a class's skill line centered on damage looks like to me it's for damage-dealers.

    idk, just a hunch!
    PC-NA / 1500+ CP / PvE mostly / "Mama didn't raise no tank."
  • Necrotech_Master
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    it says "dealing dmg with a dawns wrath ability" that means per tick of the dots adds a stack

    per cast would be nonsense if you needed 50 stacks

    im thinking that this could be decent, though the templars primary dmg abilities are in the spear tree (jabs/spear shards) while the skills in dawns wrath are primarily supplemental, at least until you get to execute with jesus beam

    if you had it time right, getting to 50 stacks during execute and getting a 25% boost to jesus beam along with the nova could be really potent

    edit: reread it and it says dealing dmg and once per attack, which means you would have to practically be spamming dawns wrath abilities and you would get to 50 stacks in what? 1 minute minimum?
    Edited by Necrotech_Master on September 15, 2023 5:35PM
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  • KlauthWarthog
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    2/10, Unusable.
    though the templars primary dmg abilities are in the spear tree (jabs/spear shards)

    I am getting the impression that, when they release a set for Aedric Spear, it will be a tanking set.
  • Lykeion
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    4/10, Not good, niche at best.
    I am getting the impression that, when they release a set for Aedric Spear, it will be a tanking set.

    Immature design concepts and some skill reworks have resulted in skill lines of the base classes functioning in a way that confuses them with each other. If zos really wanted these skill-line-based sets to work, they would have had to rearrange base classes' skills first
  • svendf
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    Lozeenge wrote: »
    svendf wrote: »
    This needs to be tested, as it may be very good for some than others. Who say it´s for a DD, anyway´s

    RP set ? Ah, ok. Like in MmoRpg :)
    a set that procs on damage dealt and increases the damage of a class's skill line centered on damage looks like to me it's for damage-dealers.

    idk, just a hunch!

    Yes, sure I get you. I started out as a dd and got bored. It´s like the support roles need to be put more up to the front - like damage.

    I would like to see a hard hitting tank, with resistance at cap or very close to, and health at or close to the 40k point.

    But that´s just me. Healer is bit more easy, without sacrifies the healing.
  • merpins
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    3/10, Pretty bad.
    though the templars primary dmg abilities are in the spear tree (jabs/spear shards)

    I am getting the impression that, when they release a set for Aedric Spear, it will be a tanking set.

    That would be real sad, NGL.
  • the1andonlyskwex
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    merpins wrote: »
    though the templars primary dmg abilities are in the spear tree (jabs/spear shards)

    I am getting the impression that, when they release a set for Aedric Spear, it will be a tanking set.

    That would be real sad, NGL.

    It would also help to highlight the fact that the 4 original classes aren't really structured into DPS, tank, and heal trees, and that Templar is currently rather deficient as a tank.
  • danno8
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    3/10, Pretty bad.
    Break it down...

    Once per 50s you get 25% bonus damage for 10s (so 5% bonus damage averaged out over time). And a "Wrathful Nova" (so not quite a nova? how strong is it? Who knows at this point) and some recovery which you probably don't need.

    And that is only if you spam Dawns Wrath skills.

    Why would you use this instead of other sets that will give you bonus damage at all times? Only good if the "wrathful Nova" accounts for upwards of 10% of your total damage, which may happen on a dummy, but not likely in real world scenarios.

    edit: oh yes and the lose 50% of your magicka...When a set has a Kiss/Curse mechanic like this, as well as a severely restrictive skill set to use as a proc, it is suppose to be very strong.
    Edited by danno8 on September 15, 2023 7:01PM
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