Support mains, how often do you kick fake dd?

ForzaRammer

In vet pug

JavaRen

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

It is very rare that I PUG anything, crazy rare that I PUG vet.

XSTRONG

I dont think I played with a fake dd, useally fake tanks and healers

NoticeMeArkay

I haven't really understood yet what people mean by "Fake DD". As it appears that every single damage dealer who parses low in a random dungeon gets accused of being one. Could somebody explain to me the benefits of "faking" to be the most picked role with the longest queue timer ingame, so I may grasp what's really behind it all?

Daoin

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

I haven't really understood yet what people mean by "Fake DD". As it appears that every single damage dealer who parses low in a random dungeon gets accused of being one. Could somebody explain to me the benefits of "faking" to be the most picked role with the longest queue timer ingame, so I may grasp what's really behind it all?

quick and easy answer players that want to believe they are game gods

ForzaRammer

Try to kick all, possibly suck it up if kick fail

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

I haven't really understood yet what people mean by "Fake DD". As it appears that every single damage dealer who parses low in a random dungeon gets accused of being one. Could somebody explain to me the benefits of "faking" to be the most picked role with the longest queue timer ingame, so I may grasp what's really behind it all?

They can’t fulfill any of the 3 roles in vet, selecting dd give them the best chance to get carried.

spartaxoxo

Only try to kick the fake when real dd can’t carry

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

I haven't really understood yet what people mean by "Fake DD". As it appears that every single damage dealer who parses low in a random dungeon gets accused of being one. Could somebody explain to me the benefits of "faking" to be the most picked role with the longest queue timer ingame, so I may grasp what's really behind it all?

They can't fulfill the role they agreed to fill. Quote often a result of people not wanting to build for damage because they simply don't feel like it, or because they have some single roleplay in mind. But, they still want something from group content. Mostly applies to vet, but I've seen a couple of people afk a lot, then spam volley when they did play. Volley doesn't do damage right away so spamming it is basically not different than doing nothing. But, that's a rarity. As I said, mostly an issue on vet. If someone doesn't care to build to decent damage, they should stick to normal dungeons and not queue for vet imo. It makes the dungeon take way too long, if it can actually even succeed at all.

Ascarl

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

This poll is biased, I don t believe that anything like a fake DD even exists

FantasticFreddie

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

I don't typically call people out. If it's really obvious we've got a certified idiot and we aren't going to clear I just say "Sorry guys, g2g" and leave.

HOWEVER this rarely happens because if I am pugging a random vet I am GOING to bring an actual real dd to carry the damage

Katheriah

Refuse to even continue the dungeon with fake dd

ForzaRammer wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

I haven't really understood yet what people mean by "Fake DD". As it appears that every single damage dealer who parses low in a random dungeon gets accused of being one. Could somebody explain to me the benefits of "faking" to be the most picked role with the longest queue timer ingame, so I may grasp what's really behind it all?

They can’t fulfill any of the 3 roles in vet, selecting dd give them the best chance to get carried.

Don't want to fulfill if you ask me. It's not even that difficult to smack some sets on your DD, eat the free daily login food and do something that somewhat resembles a rotation.

I've seen some really lazy people today. The best one was a 'DD' with a rotation of some LA's and sometimes a random skill that told other people what to do while doing the exact opposite himself. Great times.

And if you don't want to do the bare minimum, you don't deserve to get carried.

NoticeMeArkay

spartaxoxo wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

I haven't really understood yet what people mean by "Fake DD". As it appears that every single damage dealer who parses low in a random dungeon gets accused of being one. Could somebody explain to me the benefits of "faking" to be the most picked role with the longest queue timer ingame, so I may grasp what's really behind it all?

They can't fulfill the role they agreed to fill. Quote often a result of people not wanting to build for damage because they simply don't feel like it, or because they have some single roleplay in mind. But, they still want something from group content. Mostly applies to vet, but I've seen a couple of people afk a lot, then spam volley when they did play. Volley doesn't do damage right away so spamming it is basically not different than doing nothing.

So if I get this right...

A "Fake DD" is a player that wants to reel in the benefits locked behind group content but refuse to put the slightest of effort into achieving any of them, as such they pick the role which as they believe carries the least amount of responsibilities.
Making things even worse from here, as they also actively refuse to spend little time, gold or thought onto combining set pieces and abilities into a setup that deals more damage than a wet fart in egoistic fashion with no considertation in regards of the remaining 3 players experience?

Alright, I can see now how "Fake DD" as a term came to be. Usually I'd call that something entirely different but it wouldn't be appropriate for the forums. *cough*

spartaxoxo

Only try to kick the fake when real dd can’t carry

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

I don't typically call people out. If it's really obvious we've got a certified idiot and we aren't going to clear I just say "Sorry guys, g2g" and leave.

HOWEVER this rarely happens because if I am pugging a random vet I am GOING to bring an actual real dd to carry the damage

Yeah. I stopped playing tank because I'd rather just make sure I can provide a decent amount of damage so the runs weren't so painful. I still sometimes run healer though and every once in a blue moon I'll try again on tank anyway to see if anything has changed because the devs have been working on buffing the floor.

Kappachi

I don't think fake DD can exist, if damage is dealt they are a damage dealer. I am a heal/tank main but when i queue dps i have about 10k dps and i wouldn't kick anyone for being "fake DD" so long as they know the mechanics and the boss dies... Fake tank/healer is way more of an issue since it's actually people not doing their role.

FantasticFreddie

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

Kappachi wrote: »

I don't think fake DD can exist, if damage is dealt they are a damage dealer. I am a heal/tank main but when i queue dps i have about 10k dps and i wouldn't kick anyone for being "fake DD" so long as they know the mechanics and the boss dies... Fake tank/healer is way more of an issue since it's actually people not doing their role.

Oh you sweet summer child

ForzaRammer

Try to kick all, possibly suck it up if kick fail

Kappachi wrote: »

I don't think fake DD can exist, if damage is dealt they are a damage dealer. I am a heal/tank main but when i queue dps i have about 10k dps and i wouldn't kick anyone for being "fake DD" so long as they know the mechanics and the boss dies... Fake tank/healer is way more of an issue since it's actually people not doing their role.

Your claim: “doing any damage make them real dd”

Fact #1: all taunts in this game does damage

So if you believe tank need taunt, tank according to you is a subset of dd, thus a discriminatory distribution of responsibility

And if you don’t believe tanks need taunt, the “fake tank” posts really can use ur insights

Daoin

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

I don't think fake DD can exist, if damage is dealt they are a damage dealer. I am a heal/tank main but when i queue dps i have about 10k dps and i wouldn't kick anyone for being "fake DD" so long as they know the mechanics and the boss dies... Fake tank/healer is way more of an issue since it's actually people not doing their role.

Your claim: “doing any damage make them real dd”

Fact #1: all taunts in this game does damage

So if you believe tank need taunt, tank according to you is a subset of dd, thus a discriminatory distribution of responsibility

And if you don’t believe tanks need taunt, the “fake tank” posts really can use ur insights

should he have put significant damage for it to hit home, or do we just all underestand what he means ?

ForzaRammer

Try to kick all, possibly suck it up if kick fail

Daoin wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

I don't think fake DD can exist, if damage is dealt they are a damage dealer. I am a heal/tank main but when i queue dps i have about 10k dps and i wouldn't kick anyone for being "fake DD" so long as they know the mechanics and the boss dies... Fake tank/healer is way more of an issue since it's actually people not doing their role.

Your claim: “doing any damage make them real dd”

Fact #1: all taunts in this game does damage

So if you believe tank need taunt, tank according to you is a subset of dd, thus a discriminatory distribution of responsibility

And if you don’t believe tanks need taunt, the “fake tank” posts really can use ur insights

should he have put significant damage for it to hit home, or do we just all underestand what he means ?

Nowhere in his reply he suggested a “significant”positive number as boundary between real dd and fake dd.

In fact he suggested the boundary should be 0, which I disagree.

ForzaRammer

Try to kick all, possibly suck it up if kick fail

Ascarl wrote: »

This poll is biased, I don t believe that anything like a fake DD even exists

Yes they exist, a person select dd role but can’t fulfill dd responsibilities is a fake dd

kargen27

If they have weapons and a few skills slotted they are not fake. They may be bad but not fake.

ForzaRammer

Try to kick all, possibly suck it up if kick fail

kargen27 wrote: »

If they have weapons and a few skills slotted they are not fake. They may be bad but not fake.

If they can’t fulfill their responsibilities they are fake.

Tank and healer also have weapon and skill slotted, according to you tank and healer are both subset of dd.

FantasticFreddie

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

kargen27 wrote: »

If they have weapons and a few skills slotted they are not fake. They may be bad but not fake.

This is an interesting take.

Galiferno

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

I don't solo queue as a tank anymore. The fast queue time is simply not worth it with how bad most pugs are. I always queue with at least one friend dpsing if I'm gonna tank to guarantee the dungeon can go smoothly. When people wonder where all the real tanks and healers are, they simply gotta look at the DPS of the average pug.

LunaFlora

i don't kick them as they don't exist.
i've never seen a tank or healer who queued as a damage dealer

Malprave

Nothing better than an aggressive healer that likes to run their mouth and the group…

ForzaRammer

Try to kick all, possibly suck it up if kick fail

LunaFlora wrote: »

i don't kick them as they don't exist.
i've never seen a tank or healer who queued as a damage dealer

Yes, they exist, union of tank healer dd is not the whole players base.

Just because a person is not a tank nor a healer, don’t mean they are a dd.

KlauthWarthog

Not a support main or no opinion

Not a support main. But, if I have a reason to believe the run will not be successful for whatever reason, I just say so in chat and leave the group.

FantasticFreddie

Never kick fake dd, rather just leave

Malprave wrote: »

Nothing better than an aggressive healer that likes to run their mouth and the group…

Ah, I see you've been in a group with me before.

MidniteOwl1913

Ascarl wrote: »

This poll is biased, I don t believe that anything like a fake DD even exists

I agree. The only fakes are tanks and healers.

Mostly it's people who queue in a role they have no intention of filling to beat the DD longer queue times. There is a lot of overlap between speed runners and fakes. It's the me-before-thee attitude...

So fakes tanks and healers are queue in a fake role for a shorter queue what is the alleged "fake" DD trying to accomplish?

MidniteOwl1913

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Ascarl wrote: »

This poll is biased, I don t believe that anything like a fake DD even exists

Yes they exist, a person select dd role but can’t fulfill dd responsibilities is a fake dd

So how do they not fulfill their role? Do they not move from the start of dungeon? Do they not have a weapon slotted? Were these secretly tanks and healers who just wanted a longer queue time?

ForzaRammer

Try to kick all, possibly suck it up if kick fail

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Ascarl wrote: »

This poll is biased, I don t believe that anything like a fake DD even exists

I agree. The only fakes are tanks and healers.

Mostly it's people who queue in a role they have no intention of filling to beat the DD longer queue times. There is a lot of overlap between speed runners and fakes. It's the me-before-thee attitude...

So fakes tanks and healers are queue in a fake role for a shorter queue what is the alleged "fake" DD trying to accomplish?

Already answered in an earlier reply, ignore the answer won’t strengthen your argument

Daoin

maybe that nobody tries or has a chance to try for any achievments considering alot of speedrun achievments need to mop up all encounters, i always thought speedrunners was a bit too much of a compliment for fakes.. skippers ? or maybe just a good excuse to leave groups