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Do they expect guild masters to buy all the mundus stones etc by themselves?

SaintJohnHM
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Since the system is so broken and they don't seem to have the ability to fix it, they need to make mundus stones and aetherial wells and trial dummies etc purchasable via gold in game. They can't expect guild masters to buy everything themselves.
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  • hiyde
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    In our guild, we had a few people donate cash via Paypal.
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  • SaintJohnHM
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    hiyde wrote: »
    In our guild, we had a few people donate cash via Paypal.

    No, that would not be a widely viable/attractive option. Maybe the game devs should fix the problem.
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  • hiyde
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    hiyde wrote: »
    In our guild, we had a few people donate cash via Paypal.

    No, that would not be a widely viable/attractive option. Maybe the game devs should fix the problem.

    I'm not saying they shouldn't resolve the issue. But there IS a way to avoid it all coming out of the GM's pocket.

    A few guildies chipping in to gift the Mundus Stones worked just fine for us. Doing it via crown gifting still means someone paid RL $$ to get them lol.
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  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    Build a strong core... Have people donate.
    Oh right.. Crown Store.
    Yes... Yes they do. Considering they sell houses for 140$ The stones ONLY cost 60$ in total.
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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 4, 2023 10:23AM
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    hiyde wrote: »
    hiyde wrote: »
    In our guild, we had a few people donate cash via Paypal.

    No, that would not be a widely viable/attractive option. Maybe the game devs should fix the problem.

    I'm not saying they shouldn't resolve the issue. But there IS a way to avoid it all coming out of the GM's pocket.

    A few guildies chipping in to gift the Mundus Stones worked just fine for us. Doing it via crown gifting still means someone paid RL $$ to get them lol.


    Agreed, and honestly right now thats the only way. And if any guild members complain i would explain that its the only way its going to happen.

    I don't believe that ZOS did this because the WANTED to, they likely have a viable reason to lock it down, one with IRL consequences and loss factors. Because if that were not the case then they killed their own revenue stream. they will likely fix it as soon as they can, but keep in mind that devs working on game code are not always similarly qualified to work on security or payment code. two real separate beasts those are. this will likely take some time, and as we all know temporary is subjective, until they tell us that they have an end date, its best to assume the ban on gifting is permanent for any short-mid term plans and adjust accordingly.
  • kah
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    This news is a super blow to those of us still trying to complete our guild halls. (Gosh, it is so expensive to get everything! I can only hope they deliver that mega crafting table set or at least give a more definitive date to help soften the blow.) But I can say with certainty that I will not be paying $80 USD to buy the last two stones nor will I encourage any of my guildees to do anything like send me money via PayPal, etc. It's super expensive for one, and it's also just absurd to me that that's the only option left for the "foreseeable" future.
  • jommerryrth
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    no no! you just gift the item from the crown store and have it delivered to the official guild hall that is totaly the guild's property and not at all linked to anyone's account.
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    no no! you just gift the item from the crown store and have it delivered to the official guild hall that is totaly the guild's property and not at all linked to anyone's account.

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    I had no idea that something so vital wasn't available for gold in game! I think the guilds are the single best thing about the game and now I feel guilty about not being able to help with that expense.

    Gah! I thought just donating in-game covered everything. I hope ZOS fixes this! Or at the very least makes sure there is a away to donate crowns to the guild bank.

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  • Lags
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    Build a strong core... Have people donate.
    Oh right.. Crown Store.
    Yes... Yes they do. Considering they sell houses for 140$ The stones ONLY cost 60$ in total.
    [snip]

    $60 in total? for mundus stones? There is like 12 mundus stones i think? Tbh i forget, but a lot. And they are like what, 5k crowns each? Again i forget, but i remember a while ago doing the math and it was like 200-300 bucks to buy them all, iirc. But either way its deff more than 60 bucks, and like everything else in the black void of the crown store, extremely overprieced.

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 4, 2023 10:24AM
  • thorwyn
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    There is like 12 mundus stones i think?

    There are 13..

    Regardless, OP, I don't think that's much of an issue. Every guild house already has them, a lot of individual players have them, everyone knows at least someone who hast them, so the problem only applies to more or less new players who want to form a guild from scratch. And those players need to find a work around for the time being.
    Edited by thorwyn on September 4, 2023 4:42AM
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  • MidniteOwl1913
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    thorwyn wrote: »
    There is like 12 mundus stones i think?

    There are 13..

    Regardless, OP, I don't think that's much of an issue. Every guild house already has them, a lot of individual layers have them, everyone knows at least someone who hast them, so the problem only applies to more or less new players who want to form a guild from scratch. And those players need to find a work around for the time being.

    Well no new fully stocked guilds seems like a problem to me. The guilds are the best thing about the game. Making it harder/more expensive to have a complete guildhouse is a problem.
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  • thorwyn
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    Like I said, there are hundreds if not thousands of people who have all stones and tables. I have them and I know at least 5 other players who do. It's not that rare after all these years. Assuming that the crown store situation is just temporary, guilds will find ways and solutions. Now if it turns out that crown store gifting is gone for good, I would agree that is is a problem. Although even in that case, you will probably find someone with a fully stacked home and who is happy to share it with guild mates.
    Edited by thorwyn on September 4, 2023 5:02AM
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  • hiyde
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    thorwyn wrote: »
    There is like 12 mundus stones i think?

    There are 13..

    Regardless, OP, I don't think that's much of an issue. Every guild house already has them, a lot of individual layers have them, everyone knows at least someone who hast them, so the problem only applies to more or less new players who want to form a guild from scratch. And those players need to find a work around for the time being.

    Well no new fully stocked guilds seems like a problem to me. The guilds are the best thing about the game. Making it harder/more expensive to have a complete guildhouse is a problem.

    I understand why people are upset about gifting being disabled and I hope they'll resolve it.

    I just don't see this specific issue as a big one to overcome for the time being. In any well-run guild, I promise if they asked members to contribute a mundus or two by donating a few dollars, they'd have a full collection in no time.

    The cost of Mundus hasn't changed. RL currency is involved either way.
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  • LunaFlora
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    yes.
    it has of course been lovely being able to gift items like mundus stones, but if we have the money we can buy it all ourselves.
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    I bought everything with my own money to complete the guild hall.
    Because, I am someone who benefits my guild members.
    Also, ZoS needs money to maintain this game world.
    If players try to get everything for free, the world of this game will eventually end.
  • SaintJohnHM
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    To say "all guild halls already have that stuff" ignores that new guilds also exist and don't have that stuff yet.

    And it shouldn't just be people who have money that can organise new guilds, that's also very shortsighted and limiting.

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  • SaintJohnHM
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    hiyde wrote: »
    thorwyn wrote: »
    There is like 12 mundus stones i think?

    There are 13..

    Regardless, OP, I don't think that's much of an issue. Every guild house already has them, a lot of individual layers have them, everyone knows at least someone who hast them, so the problem only applies to more or less new players who want to form a guild from scratch. And those players need to find a work around for the time being.

    Well no new fully stocked guilds seems like a problem to me. The guilds are the best thing about the game. Making it harder/more expensive to have a complete guildhouse is a problem.

    I understand why people are upset about gifting being disabled and I hope they'll resolve it.

    I just don't see this specific issue as a big one to overcome for the time being. In any well-run guild, I promise if they asked members to contribute a mundus or two by donating a few dollars, they'd have a full collection in no time.

    The cost of Mundus hasn't changed. RL currency is involved either way.

    I understand what you're saying, but your points are still wrong to make a real viable solution. Limiting guild creation to people willing to give money through paypal is bad for the community.
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  • FantasticFreddie
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    Honestly, having all mundas stones is more of a vanity rather than necessity. For one, all of the stones are found in base game zones. It's not like people don't have access to them if they aren't in the guild house. For another, you don't need all 13. Thief, ritual, and atronach will cover 90% of all players.
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    For all mundus, atro dummy, aetherial well its about $800 nz dollars 😆
  • SaintJohnHM
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    Honestly, having all mundas stones is more of a vanity rather than necessity. For one, all of the stones are found in base game zones. It's not like people don't have access to them if they aren't in the guild house. For another, you don't need all 13. Thief, ritual, and atronach will cover 90% of all players.

    Wrong. There are also additional items like aetherial wells, trial dummies, etc. etc.

    It's going to limit the community if guilds can only be formed by people who can afford to put them together solo.
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  • PrincessOfThieves
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    Honestly, having all mundas stones is more of a vanity rather than necessity. For one, all of the stones are found in base game zones. It's not like people don't have access to them if they aren't in the guild house. For another, you don't need all 13. Thief, ritual, and atronach will cover 90% of all players.

    It is pretty much a requirement for any decent guild house these days.
  • FantasticFreddie
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    Honestly, having all mundas stones is more of a vanity rather than necessity. For one, all of the stones are found in base game zones. It's not like people don't have access to them if they aren't in the guild house. For another, you don't need all 13. Thief, ritual, and atronach will cover 90% of all players.

    Wrong. There are also additional items like aetherial wells, trial dummies, etc. etc.

    It's going to limit the community if guilds can only be formed by people who can afford to put them together solo.

    The title of the thread and 90% of the discussion is literally about mundas stones. A well costs 3k and a dummy 6k. A single yearly eso + sub can cover a dummy, the well, and I think 2 mundas stones, which is a decent start for any guild house.
  • SaintJohnHM
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    Honestly, having all mundas stones is more of a vanity rather than necessity. For one, all of the stones are found in base game zones. It's not like people don't have access to them if they aren't in the guild house. For another, you don't need all 13. Thief, ritual, and atronach will cover 90% of all players.

    Wrong. There are also additional items like aetherial wells, trial dummies, etc. etc.

    It's going to limit the community if guilds can only be formed by people who can afford to put them together solo.

    The title of the thread and 90% of the discussion is literally about mundas stones. A well costs 3k and a dummy 6k. A single yearly eso + sub can cover a dummy, the well, and I think 2 mundas stones, which is a decent start for any guild house.

    No. But thank you for your thoughts.
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  • hiyde
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    I understand what you're saying, but your points are still wrong to make a real viable solution. Limiting guild creation to people willing to give money through paypal is bad for the community.

    Members of the guild teaming up to toss a few bucks into Paypal, venmo, etc is not a valid solution for *you*. For my guild and a lot of other guilds, it worked just fine. Again, Mundus has always required *someone* to spend RL $$ and still does.

    Look, if you just want this stuff shifted to being purchasable with gold, nothing wrong with that opinion. I think literally everyone would prefer to buy everything in the store with gold instead of dollars and I think the chances of ZOS going that route are just below 0.00%

    I just don't see any serious hardship to accomplishing this under the current conditions vs. 3 days ago...the same money gets spent, the same donators can donate a few bucks in a team effort to get there. :)

    Individuals who were spending their endgame farming gold to get shinies from the crown store is a far bigger pain point imo.
    Edited by hiyde on September 4, 2023 2:45PM
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    I like many others built my guild hall before crown gifting was even a thing so I don't see the big issue tbh. If ppl have guilds with enough ppl to pitch in then you'll find a way to make it happen. If not enough to want to help then there's no point anyway.
  • kah
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    I had no idea that something so vital wasn't available for gold in game! I think the guilds are the single best thing about the game and now I feel guilty about not being able to help with that expense.

    Gah! I thought just donating in-game covered everything. I hope ZOS fixes this! Or at the very least makes sure there is a away to donate crowns to the guild bank.

    Donating def can (well, did) help! I know a lot of people out there would trade gold for crowns; admittedly, this may now be against TOS. I'm unsure.
    Edited by kah on September 4, 2023 5:14PM
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    kah wrote: »
    This news is a super blow to those of us still trying to complete our guild halls. (Gosh, it is so expensive to get everything! I can only hope they deliver that mega crafting table set or at least give a more definitive date to help soften the blow.) But I can say with certainty that I will not be paying $80 USD to buy the last two stones nor will I encourage any of my guildees to do anything like send me money via PayPal, etc. It's super expensive for one, and it's also just absurd to me that that's the only option left for the "foreseeable" future.

    It sure is. I couldn't imagine outfitting a guild hall now without the guild members being able to combine their resources and gift the items needed to complete the guild hall benches, stones etc.

    It sure would be nice if ZOS got away from their crown store oriented business model.
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    A proper Guild House might go some way to alleviating this problem going forward, it's been asked for, for the longest time!

    If it was controllable by the guild master but allowed for giving access to "Trusted Decorators" and not like in housing now, where you can only move items placed by the homes owner but instead those decorators could add items that they owned or purchased through the Crown Store.

    If it was a simple toggle like we have currently, visitor, limited visitor, decorator and add trusted decorator for specialist Guild Houses, omg that would solve so many problems and could be toggled on and off even, for just adding a couple of items.
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  • hiyde
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    kah wrote: »
    I had no idea that something so vital wasn't available for gold in game! I think the guilds are the single best thing about the game and now I feel guilty about not being able to help with that expense.

    Gah! I thought just donating in-game covered everything. I hope ZOS fixes this! Or at the very least makes sure there is a away to donate crowns to the guild bank.

    Donating def can (well, did) help!

    Just to clarify, we can't trade RL $$ for gold.

    "Donate $5 for our mundus fund and we'll give you 500k gold" = against TOS
    "Buy raffle tickets to win Necrom" = against TOS

    "Donate $5 for our mundus fund and you could win an Amazon Gift Card" = OK (as far as I know).

    Another example, we have a member that donates 4 xpacs every year. We give it away via free enter-to-win on our website (not via in-game paid raffle).

    The only exception to this was trading gold for crowns (surprisingly) being blessed.
    Edited by hiyde on September 4, 2023 5:18PM
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