How is this possible, can someone explain to me? (DK absurd damage)

Mr_Jord_Joe

I play support in cyrodiil, and yesterday I died practically instantly by a DK while I was casting ''Practiced Incantation''

which gives me 33000 armor

(not counting the character's pre-existing resistance) even with a lot of critical resistance too... not even gankers can take all these numbers from me, how is this possible?

I know that the maximum resistance cap is 33k, while using the ultimate ''Practiced Incantation'' I have more than 60k resistance, making any penetration practically useless... but I still took absurd damage, even also having 4k of crit resist...

My resistances during ''Practiced Incantation''

OBJnoob

I've been seeing reports lately of DKs going Corrosive, being given Ulti by a teammate through some 5-piece gear (cryptcannon vestments I think?) And being able to Take Flight while their Corrosive is still active.

I would assume this is what happened to you.

Major_Toughness

OBJnoob wrote: »

I've been seeing reports lately of DKs going Corrosive, being given Ulti by a teammate through some 5-piece gear (cryptcannon vestments I think?) And being able to Take Flight while their Corrosive is still active.

I would assume this is what happened to you.

Cyrptcannon is a mythic from Necrom, but yes, this is what is happening. Probably using Acuity too.

KlauthWarthog

DK casts Corrosive Armor + a buddy feeds him ultimate with Cryptcannon mythic + DK casts Take Flight and whatever else.
Corrosive Armor effectively gives 100% Penetration to the DK for the duration, so you had the 4k crit resistance, but 0 physical and spell resistance as far as the DK is concerned.

blktauna

That explains alot. So watch for pairs and kill the buddy first.

chessalavakia_ESO

Yeah, that person runs around with someone that feeds them Ultimate so they can use two ults back to back.

I took a 29,088 Take Flight from them on one of my characters that doesn't run much Critical Resistance.

Theignson

Yes, this crept into the game and is very unfortunate, to allow corrosive to accrue ultimate and get hit by a DK leap when they have corrosive.

Corrosive ignores all resists.

As if DKs weren't already strong enough.

You could argue that the penalty is that the other player doesn't get to use their ulti, but still this combinaiton is way OP

SandandStars

Dragon Krutch Online

MerguezMan

*Cough*
Onslaught : Strike at an enemy with a vicious blow, dealing 3485 Physical Damage to them and all nearby enemies. This attack ignores the target's Resistance and grants you Physical and Spell Penetration for your direct damage attacks equal to 100% of the amount ignored from the initial target for 5 seconds.

Go on, keep buffing resistance...

Mr_Jord_Joe

MerguezMan wrote: »

*Cough*
Onslaught : Strike at an enemy with a vicious blow, dealing 3485 Physical Damage to them and all nearby enemies. This attack ignores the target's Resistance and grants you Physical and Spell Penetration for your direct damage attacks equal to 100% of the amount ignored from the initial target for 5 seconds.

Go on, keep buffing resistance...

I never died for someone using ''Onslaught'' much less for gankers who used it, they died for the group in the same instant they appeared... besides that direct attacks are easily dodged, which as they said, ''corrosive armor'' is much better than ''Onslaught'' because it leaves you practically immune to damage, limiting the damage received to 3% of the maximum life... resistance and enough time to do a good damage... and the best, it's a '' buff'' you don't depend on hitting the target to receive the penetration benefit.

The maximum damage I've ever received from ''Onslaught'' was 12k-13k, just the noise of the ultimate makes me roll dodge several times... simple to escape...

Mr_Jord_Joe

I already solved a little of this problem, I'm using damage reductions, instead of just armor, and the new monster set of cyrodiil even rids me of bombs...

https://eso-sets.com/set/nibenay-bay-battlereeve

DK jump easily triggers this proc set, gives me reaction time to do something now!

Foxtrot39

On the flip side abuse of corrosive+cryptcanon will either cause zos to nerf the mythic or finaly do something about a god mod ability that also give you total armor bypass capability

FireBreathingNord

Corrosive Armor

Target: Self
Cost: 200

Skill description
Oxidize the green Dragon blood in your veins, limiting incoming damage to 3% of your Max Health and dealing 347 Poison Damage to nearby enemies each second for 10 seconds. While active, this ability and your direct damage dealt ignores enemy Physical and Spell Resistance.

New effect
Deals Poison Damage, and your direct attacks ignore Physical and Spell Resistance while active.

Necrotech_Master

ive also heard that passive was bugged and not actually applying the armor bonus, but i dont regularly use that ult on a templar to know for certain if it is still bugged

like others said corrosive armor ignores all armor, so only direct mitigations apply (major/minor protection, undeath, etc)

LittlePinkDot

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, that person runs around with someone that feeds them Ultimate so they can use two ults back to back.

I took a 29,088 Take Flight from them on one of my characters that doesn't run much Critical Resistance.

Can take flight be dodged?

Necrotech_Master

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, that person runs around with someone that feeds them Ultimate so they can use two ults back to back.

I took a 29,088 Take Flight from them on one of my characters that doesn't run much Critical Resistance.

Can take flight be dodged?

it can be blocked for sure, but theres a lot of AOEs which are not dodgeable

CameraBeardThePirate

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, that person runs around with someone that feeds them Ultimate so they can use two ults back to back.

I took a 29,088 Take Flight from them on one of my characters that doesn't run much Critical Resistance.

Can take flight be dodged?

Cannot be dodged, but it can be blocked pretty easily on reaction.

NordSwordnBoard

The mythic is really fun to use in a duo. As others have pointed out, using two ultimates back to back is rough, but corrosive really shines with the full pen.
Can any other ultimate compare as an opener? Knowing you will get 500 or enough to use another ultimate after going corrosive, what could be better?

CameraBeardThePirate

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

The mythic is really fun to use in a duo. As others have pointed out, using two ultimates back to back is rough, but corrosive really shines with the full pen.
Can any other ultimate compare as an opener? Knowing you will get 500 or enough to use another ultimate after going corrosive, what could be better?

Thrives In Chaos into another ult has the potential to juice the damage of the second ulti by 36%.

Colossus would have a similar effect of boosting the damage of your second ulti, albeit by a bit less.

Urzigurumash

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

The mythic is really fun to use in a duo. As others have pointed out, using two ultimates back to back is rough, but corrosive really shines with the full pen.
Can any other ultimate compare as an opener? Knowing you will get 500 or enough to use another ultimate after going corrosive, what could be better?

Thrives In Chaos into another ult has the potential to juice the damage of the second ulti by 36%.

Colossus would have a similar effect of boosting the damage of your second ulti, albeit by a bit less.

Kinda funny how Turning Tide gives you more uptime on Major Vuln than Colossus yet no set gives you close to the Pen that Corrosive does (15k to 25k or so in most cases probably). Shell Splitter at full stacks is still less, for Hew and Sunder it would take more than a full group in the proc area to match it. I main Cro and the cost reduction to Colossus is quite nice so far - but I still see at least as much Purple Mist from Turning Tide out there as I do Cros, probably more.

People keep talking about making the morph purely offensive but the defensive side isn't so much what's overpowered about this Ult, the Pen buff is much too strong now that DK has an 18% Buff to damage from prior to '21. (World in Ruin 5% + Vampire Stg 3 Penalty 13%). Corrosive on MagDK (nka DK) might not have been so strong before that 18% buff.

Like I've gone on about in Corrosive threads, the Ult it should compare to is Goliath, not Colossus. A defensive Ult with a little offense to go with it.

Major_Toughness

Urzigurumash wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

The mythic is really fun to use in a duo. As others have pointed out, using two ultimates back to back is rough, but corrosive really shines with the full pen.
Can any other ultimate compare as an opener? Knowing you will get 500 or enough to use another ultimate after going corrosive, what could be better?

Thrives In Chaos into another ult has the potential to juice the damage of the second ulti by 36%.

Colossus would have a similar effect of boosting the damage of your second ulti, albeit by a bit less.

Kinda funny how Turning Tide gives you more uptime on Major Vuln than Colossus yet no set gives you close to the Pen that Corrosive does (15k to 25k or so in most cases probably). Shell Splitter at full stacks is still less, for Hew and Sunder it would take more than a full group in the proc area to match it. I main Cro and the cost reduction to Colossus is quite nice so far - but I still see at least as much Purple Mist from Turning Tide out there as I do Cros, probably more.

People keep talking about making the morph purely offensive but the defensive side isn't so much what's overpowered about this Ult, the Pen buff is much too strong now that DK has an 18% Buff to damage from prior to '21. (World in Ruin 5% + Vampire Stg 3 Penalty 13%). Corrosive on MagDK (nka DK) might not have been so strong before that 18% buff.

Like I've gone on about in Corrosive threads, the Ult it should compare to is Goliath, not Colossus. A defensive Ult with a little offense to go with it.

According to CMX, the way Corrosive works is it gives you 100k penetration. That's how it guarentees you ingore all resistances I guess. Useless trivia.

But in response to your suggestion about it should be a defensive ult with a little offense, I can't agree, and one of the things that really annoys me is when two morphs do almost the same thing which means one is always picked over the other.

I would much rather Corrosive be a offensive ult - especially given the name, which they could always change - and Magma Shell be the defensive ult, like how it is used in PvE. Then if Magma Shell is never used (in PvP) then that can be looked at how to make it more viable.

Urzigurumash

Major_Toughness wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

The mythic is really fun to use in a duo. As others have pointed out, using two ultimates back to back is rough, but corrosive really shines with the full pen.
Can any other ultimate compare as an opener? Knowing you will get 500 or enough to use another ultimate after going corrosive, what could be better?

Thrives In Chaos into another ult has the potential to juice the damage of the second ulti by 36%.

Colossus would have a similar effect of boosting the damage of your second ulti, albeit by a bit less.

Kinda funny how Turning Tide gives you more uptime on Major Vuln than Colossus yet no set gives you close to the Pen that Corrosive does (15k to 25k or so in most cases probably). Shell Splitter at full stacks is still less, for Hew and Sunder it would take more than a full group in the proc area to match it. I main Cro and the cost reduction to Colossus is quite nice so far - but I still see at least as much Purple Mist from Turning Tide out there as I do Cros, probably more.

People keep talking about making the morph purely offensive but the defensive side isn't so much what's overpowered about this Ult, the Pen buff is much too strong now that DK has an 18% Buff to damage from prior to '21. (World in Ruin 5% + Vampire Stg 3 Penalty 13%). Corrosive on MagDK (nka DK) might not have been so strong before that 18% buff.

Like I've gone on about in Corrosive threads, the Ult it should compare to is Goliath, not Colossus. A defensive Ult with a little offense to go with it.

According to CMX, the way Corrosive works is it gives you 100k penetration. That's how it guarentees you ingore all resistances I guess. Useless trivia.

But in response to your suggestion about it should be a defensive ult with a little offense, I can't agree, and one of the things that really annoys me is when two morphs do almost the same thing which means one is always picked over the other.

I would much rather Corrosive be a offensive ult - especially given the name, which they could always change - and Magma Shell be the defensive ult, like how it is used in PvE. Then if Magma Shell is never used (in PvP) then that can be looked at how to make it more viable.

Well the thing is the Pen is the disastrously OP part. Corrosive makes you no tougher than Vamp Ult or Goliath. Even disabling Ult Gen like those two wouldn't bring Corrosive in line.

You can read my full thoughts in a very long thread from the past year about Corrosive, but the short of it is a Pen Only morph would still be OP and would lend itself to the sort of over the top damage dealing which characterizes DK these days - rather than the obnoxious tankiness which has characterized DK since Day 1. I'm massively opinionated since I mained sDK from launch until the DK bandwagon and always slotted Corrosive, but in my view, so long as Corrosive remains the best defensive Ult for PvP DK and Magma the best for PvE Tank, then things are as they should be. DK as the bomber class just doesn't sit right with me, but again I'm deeply biased.

Urzigurumash

Another important point, to try and be concise, I swear Corrosive's Pen was designed in light of Sorc's 5% Physical Damage Done and DK and Sorc both relying on Uppercut. StamDK needed something to be able to beat StamSorc 1v1 and this was it.

Completely obviated by the hybridization of Molten Whip and the change to World in Ruin as a universal 5% Flame Damage Done.

It no longer has a balanced purpose, it should be the thing to go, not the core function of the ult.

"They said Whip would save StamDK", I cry myself to sleep with these words every night

jbrianj

OBJnoob wrote: »

I've been seeing reports lately of DKs going Corrosive, being given Ulti by a teammate through some 5-piece gear (cryptcannon vestments I think?) And being able to Take Flight while their Corrosive is still active.

I would assume this is what happened to you.

I find it amazing than people are able to abuse certain mechanics to its maximum potential. I'm not even mad at this. Does it need to be nerfed? Yes. Is it very awesomely creative? Yes

Theignson

There is also more to this particular build than just leap with corrosive. I've noticed over 50% crit rate. A tick of a Dot hitting for 7-9k? I never see that in Corrosive, ever. Engulfing flames usually doesn't hit that hard, but this particular build can do it, plus Deep Breath hitting for 8k-- in corrosive this skill doesn't usually hit anywhere near that hard for me.

It isn't just Corrosive, there is something every unique about this build that gets >50 critical chance, plus high critical damage, plus very tanky. Not sure how to build this , anyone have ideas? MY DKs tend to run relatively low crit chance

Oblivion_Protocol

Theignson wrote: »

There is also more to this particular build than just leap with corrosive. I've noticed over 50% crit rate. A tick of a Dot hitting for 7-9k? I never see that in Corrosive, ever. Engulfing flames usually doesn't hit that hard, but this particular build can do it, plus Deep Breath hitting for 8k-- in corrosive this skill doesn't usually hit anywhere near that hard for me.

It isn't just Corrosive, there is something every unique about this build that gets >50 critical chance, plus high critical damage, plus very tanky. Not sure how to build this , anyone have ideas? MY DKs tend to run relatively low crit chance

Mechanical Acuity. It basically gives you a 100% crit chance every 20 seconds or so. That’s part of how you’re seeing all these huge crit hits.

CameraBeardThePirate

Theignson wrote: »

There is also more to this particular build than just leap with corrosive. I've noticed over 50% crit rate. A tick of a Dot hitting for 7-9k? I never see that in Corrosive, ever. Engulfing flames usually doesn't hit that hard, but this particular build can do it, plus Deep Breath hitting for 8k-- in corrosive this skill doesn't usually hit anywhere near that hard for me.

It isn't just Corrosive, there is something every unique about this build that gets >50 critical chance, plus high critical damage, plus very tanky. Not sure how to build this , anyone have ideas? MY DKs tend to run relatively low crit chance

Most DKs running a corrosive build nowadays will pair it with Acuity to have a ~100% crit chance alongside 100% pen.

Kartalin

Exactly, since they don't have to build into penetration at all they can instead focus on crit and crit damage. Whether that's Acuity, or just some other combination that gets them to at least 50% crit/100% crit dam modifier, it's ridiculously OP.

Regarding the ability to combine Corrosive with other ultimates, I think that's fine but the issue is still fundamentally with corrosive itself giving full penetration while minimizing incoming damage.

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DK "Friend" Build concept: Cryptcanon Vestments mythic (which includes minor heroism), 5 piece Arkasis (can be single barred), 5 piece buff set (e.g Rallying Cry, also single barred), 1 trainee, and bloodspawn. Run on Warden with high health and recovery (polar wind heal cheese) and use Shimmering shield for major heroism. It'd be an ultimate generation machine with fat heals. Swift jewelry with 3 potion cost reduction glyphs for best use of Arkasis

Elendir2am

Many guys blame corrosive her without looking at death recap. When DK use take a fly ulti, than they dont use corrosive. This just show how many players blame corrosive without any footing.

to OP, did you cast that skill after you was knocked by DK ulti? That is probably your answer.

chessalavakia_ESO

Elendir2am wrote: »

Many guys blame corrosive her without looking at death recap. When DK use take a fly ulti, than they dont use corrosive. This just show how many players blame corrosive without any footing.

Here is a recap of the same guy with both Ults in use at the same time that is clearly visible in the recap.

Mr_Jord_Joe

Elendir2am wrote: »

Many guys blame corrosive her without looking at death recap. When DK use take a fly ulti, than they dont use corrosive. This just show how many players blame corrosive without any footing.

to OP, did you cast that skill after you was knocked by DK ulti? That is probably your answer.

@Elendir2am My ultimate is 8 seconds long, it was during, I'm absolutely sure, and yes, he used corrosive, it just didn't appear in this specific death recap, and I've already investigated, it's exactly what people are reporting here!

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Elendir2am wrote: »

Many guys blame corrosive her without looking at death recap. When DK use take a fly ulti, than they dont use corrosive. This just show how many players blame corrosive without any footing.

Here is a recap of the same guy with both Ults in use at the same time that is clearly visible in the recap.

Oh, thanks soo much @chessalavakia_ESO