How do you aim .. move ... and use skills at same time?

lypheb16_ESO

Ok, so I need to use my keyboard to move. I need to use my mouse to aim and for basic hack/slash. That's two hands. Now I've also got a skill bar ... how are other people using that while fighting???

Seems like I either need to stop moving and press a button ... or ... well. I'm sure I'm missing something simple here. But it currently feels like I need three hands.

Any help?

kijima

Just grow another hand, simple!

It'll take some getting used to, I found it a little 'off' in the first beta I played, I did however get used to it quickly. Now it feels second nature, although when the console version comes out for PS4 I'll be giving that a bash just for pure comfort factor alone. (Come on ZOS, make with the PS4 beta's already )

Just so you know, In the settings menu you can change your keybinds to make things more comfortable for your play style. This might help you, it might not. I've been told from a few lefty's that changing key bindings is very important.

My playstyle is left hand on keyboard, with mouse control in my right. Works for me okay.

lypheb16_ESO

Hmmmm.

Guess the part I'm having a problem with is that I either leave my movement keys to use a skill or leave my mouse aiming to use a skill. Loving the game so far, but really not sure how to make this part work properly. Only thing I can think of is to pick up a razor mouse with the keys on it

Nox_Aeterna

I dont understand OP.

You use , WASD to move , and press 12345 + Q + R for skills, you can add a second set of skills, but that is still almost nothing and it does not add more buttons.

If anything , this MMO got very few buttons you need to worry about.

Castielle

Some users are using controllers to play. There is a guide here on how to set one up. If you don't want to use a controller I'd advise investing in a gaming mouse like a Naga.

Cas

Yasha

Usually my middle finger rests on "w" with ring and index on "a" and "d". If I am strafing to the right for example and want to use an ability, I will be pressing the "d" key (for strafing to the right) then use one of my other four fingers to press an ability skill.

It can be easier if you remap your abilities to different keys if the number keys 1-5 are too hard to reach while holding down a movement key.

Greydog

It's not as intuitive as the usual "move with mouse/press hoykeys" type of fighting as the previous poster noted, you do get used to it.

I suggest rekeying dodge to your s key then use dodge/block when needed and standing your ground when ever you can.

Epona222

Touch-typist for 30 years here, can easily reach the appropriate number keys (especially since only 1-5 are in use!) from the WASD position with my left hand without having to look. How do you think typists and data-entry people manage to type both words and numbers at high speeds?

driosketch

This is a set up players of the Elder Scrolls games on PCs, or even FPSs, are going to be familiar with. It takes practice and a while to get used to. Like a touch typer, you basically need to stretch and hit the hot key, then return quicly to your WASD home position.

That said, a multi button mouse is a great idea. I have two thumb buttons on mine, one of them set as a dodge button.

lypheb16_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I dont understand OP.

You use , WASD to move , and press 12345 + Q + R for skills, you can add a second set of skills, but that is still almost nothing and it does not add more buttons.

If anything , this MMO got very few buttons you need to worry about.

Yea, but to use a button - you still need to leave your movement keys. It's counter-intuitive to good fighting. You want to be able to move at all times, and not give that up to press a button.

I think this post has answered my question tho. I'm not missing anything, but I probably do need a naga or razor mouse.

Cheers

vanillexhope

I have a Razer Naga gaming mouse. It has a number pad on the inside of the mouse, where the thumb rests. So my abilities are keybound to my mouse.

EDIT: I will admit that 12 buttons is overkill for this game. So you can definitely buy something with fewer buttons.

Soracia

I have no issue with pressing as few keybinds as ESO allows on the keyboard, but my left hand got nimbler than it used to be, over the years. I still remember the pain I felt when Morrowind came out and I had to learn how to move with my left hand, I had always used my right hand and the arrow keys before but now I needed to move and use the mouse to aim.

Bottom line, with some patience you can train your hands to juggle this many keys.

On the other hand a gaming mouse with extra buttons - especially for your currently 'idle' thumb - will probably help. You still have to train yourself a little, but I think it'd be easier.

Epona222

lypheb16_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I dont understand OP.

You use , WASD to move , and press 12345 + Q + R for skills, you can add a second set of skills, but that is still almost nothing and it does not add more buttons.

If anything , this MMO got very few buttons you need to worry about.

Yea, but to use a button - you still need to leave your movement keys. It's counter-intuitive to good fighting. You want to be able to move at all times, and not give that up to press a button.

I think this post has answered my question tho. I'm not missing anything, but I probably do need a naga or razor mouse.

Cheers

You shouldn't be having to leave your movement keys for more than a split second. Practice will help a lot, find some low level mobs and just practice on them for a while until it becomes second nature

Oh and make sure you are using 1-5 on the row above QWERTY, not the number pad of your keyboard, that would be impossible!

Yasha

Greydog wrote: »

It's not as intuitive as the usual "move with mouse/press hoykeys" type of fighting as the previous poster noted, you do get used to it.

I suggest rekeying dodge to your s key then use dodge/block when needed and standing your ground when ever you can.

I hate to directly disagree with people, but don't do what Greyhound suggested.

You need the "s" key to move backwards and double tapping a movement key to dodge saves you from having to remember another keybind.

However, most importantly, always try to keep moving when you are fighting even in easy battles. Even as melee practice strafing around the enemy while attacking. This will make your fights more interesting, improve your skills, help you to stay mobile to move out of enemy aoe attacks, and if you ever go and do pvp you won't be a free kill.

Erlqueen

As kijima said you do get used to it. I found in the short time I've been in game (so no expert by far) that as long as I'm facing the mob the skill buttons are easy to use if your play style is also left hand on keyboard AWSD buttons. Still find I hit the wrong keys occasionally.

Worse thing is hitting a key, don't know which one, and I find that I've drawn my weapon and I'm trying to hack other players to bits. Eventually noticed other players also doing this as well but I swear they are being polite and do this so that I don't feel such a plank!

Nox_Aeterna

lypheb16_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I dont understand OP.

You use , WASD to move , and press 12345 + Q + R for skills, you can add a second set of skills, but that is still almost nothing and it does not add more buttons.

If anything , this MMO got very few buttons you need to worry about.

Yea, but to use a button - you still need to leave your movement keys. It's counter-intuitive to good fighting. You want to be able to move at all times, and not give that up to press a button.

I think this post has answered my question tho. I'm not missing anything, but I probably do need a naga or razor mouse.

Cheers

Then do the following , change the:

1 <> Z , 2 <> X , 3 <> C , 4 <> V , 5 <> B

Once you done this , you can use the skills in combat without taking you hands from the WASD and use the skills. Now the 12345 will be just stuff you dont need in combat. I dont think just the ult would be much of a problem.

Lucardes

Its called skillzzz lol

Jerek77

using basic keyboard and mouse my setup is:
asdw is movement
shift is block ( as i pretty much dont bother sprinting i bound it to numpad
enter, i save stamina for combat)
lmb is attack
mousewheel scroll up is ability 1
mousewheel scroll down is ability 2
mousewheel button click is dodge
rmb is ability 3
f is ability 4
alt is ability 5
ctrl is interrupt

this works for me.

kijima

Epona222 wrote: »

Touch-typist for 30 years here, can easily reach the appropriate number keys (especially since only 1-5 are in use!) from the WASD position with my left hand without having to look. How do you think typists and data-entry people manage to type both words and numbers at high speeds?

30 years experience? You are showing your age Epona

/joke by the way, good to see you here.

Greydog

@Yasha Double tap only works sporadically for me and I never go back

I got used to that type of dodge setup in Neverwinter. It is bound to the shift key there. Also I dodge at a 100% rate with that setup.

btw ..it's ok to disagree ..no worries

WebBull

Well I have to admit while I love the game so far I absolutely hate the UI. I have played in the last three betas and still can't get used to this. It is far slower at least for me, than a standard MMO UI.
Seeing that this game is so heavily PvP based, I hope that Zen comes up with another interface option (or maybe add-ons, I don't know) that players can have the choice of a traditional MMO option or traditional TES option.

Deumont

I use a razor naga mouse with little key pad at my thumb. Took a lot of getting used to but now I don't know how I would play most games with out it.

Yshaar

lypheb16_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I dont understand OP.

You use , WASD to move , and press 12345 + Q + R for skills, you can add a second set of skills, but that is still almost nothing and it does not add more buttons.

If anything , this MMO got very few buttons you need to worry about.

Yea, but to use a button - you still need to leave your movement keys. It's counter-intuitive to good fighting. You want to be able to move at all times, and not give that up to press a button.

I think this post has answered my question tho. I'm not missing anything, but I probably do need a naga or razor mouse.

Cheers

Try that:

When moving always move left with A (ring finger), then you will have two more fingers to cast away! usually moving ALL the time is really not needed in this game and sometimes even not wise.

vanillexhope

Deumont wrote: »

Took a lot of getting used to but now I don't know how I would play most games with out it.

This just happened in my house:

hubby: "I'm going to need to borrow your Naga mouse."
me: "Um... no. Go buy your own."

Yeah, I really don't know what I'd do without it. I hate to say it, but I just sucked before I got it. In this game at least. I usually rely on clicking on the hotbars in games.

slymerub17_ESO

Haven't really had any issues other than I bound Sneak to my middle mouse button because I have a hard time reaching CTRL with my pinky

decompiler

@lypheb16_ESO, if you're coming from an Elder Scrolls console background, these keyboard controls can be quite daunting... There are several of us around here using 3rd party software like Xpadder (Windows) and ControllerMate (Mac OS) to pay with XBOX 360, DualShock 3/4, and other controllers.

If you're interested in using a controller, what platform are you on (Win/Mac) and what kind of controllers do you have (if any)?

Epona222

kijima wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Touch-typist for 30 years here, can easily reach the appropriate number keys (especially since only 1-5 are in use!) from the WASD position with my left hand without having to look. How do you think typists and data-entry people manage to type both words and numbers at high speeds?

30 years experience? You are showing your age Epona

/joke by the way, good to see you here.

I am 43 years young today (at least today in my time zone - April 2nd)
But back in the day a lot of us (especially girls) were taught to touch-type at school!

kijima

Happy birthday!

So you have 22 years experience at being 21 then.

fosley_ESO

There really are very few buttons to coordinate with your movement compared to some other games, and in all reality you only need one finger to move with at any given time. It's just a matter of learning how to twist your hand to hit different keys at the same time, and tap-dancing across the keyboard.

I have something like 20 keys I use concurrently with movement in other games like WoW, EQ2, and TOR. That's before I include things like targeting, action bar paging, inventory management, etc., and doesn't include the various combinations of those keys I press to get different results, or any mouse bindings.

Even in Skyrim I have 16-18 keys. 8 for the standard hotkeys, 4 for the SkyUI hotkeys, and several for my BetterVampires hotkeys. Then are all the standard keys for things like sneaking, sheathing weapons, and accessing the quick menu.

Once you get used to having abilities to use and keys to activate them, ESO seems very simple.

S1D3FX

I have a Razer Naga Epic with 12 buttons on the side of the mouse that I use to hot-key abilities. I've had it since my WoW days, and a brief stint with GW2. If you have the coin, it's a good investment IMO. They make a less "epic" version as well which has 6? buttons on the side if I remember right. I will admit there is a bit of a learning curve with committing the location of those 12 buttons to muscle memory, but once you get use to it, it's really convenient. Hope that helps.

You can check it out here:
https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga-epic

lupusrex

I just split the movement and hotbar between different fingers of the left hand depending on which are in use. I guess it takes practice, but I've been playing MMOs for a while.

If it helps, you don't need to be too concerned about aiming. Press tab until the white corners outline your target, then you can get away with just sort of facing in that direction.