Scrying is boring and slow .....for new player

WrathOfInnos

SilverBride wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

The Greymoor chapter was released May 2020, so all the development would have been done pre-COVID.

We got our first covid patients at my hospital in February 2020, so while most of the development was probably done before that it would have still been on the PTS and being worked on.

Yep, we were definitely in full quarantine before and during that PTS cycle. I would not be surprised if there was a larger and better new system planned, but it had to be scrapped and replaced with "Scrying" when the world went into panic.

Kyne's Aegis also felt unfinished, more than any other trial before or after.

spartaxoxo

Elsonso wrote: »

drakeos99 wrote: »

Would LOVE to skip this leveling proccess cause it's TOO slow and boring and unfun and plus dont have the time/pateint

They could have done stuff to make it easier on the newer players to level this up. I guess they decided to monetize people who have already done it, instead.

It's already easier on new players because they can dig the purple treasures.

boi_anachronism_

SilverBride wrote: »

Leveling scrying and excavating is the most tedious thing in this game. I work to level 7 for the glowing chests then slow down and let it level more naturally until I eventually reach 10.

Receiving 1 skill point for a green lead is beyond frustrating. Since only the first character on an account can uncover a purple lead in every zone they should at least double the amount of skill points gained from each lead for subsequent characters.

I disagree. Scrying is a pain but maxing mages guild is torturous. Ive done it... on many many toons.

TaSheen

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Leveling scrying and excavating is the most tedious thing in this game. I work to level 7 for the glowing chests then slow down and let it level more naturally until I eventually reach 10.

Receiving 1 skill point for a green lead is beyond frustrating. Since only the first character on an account can uncover a purple lead in every zone they should at least double the amount of skill points gained from each lead for subsequent characters.

I disagree. Scrying is a pain but maxing mages guild is torturous. Ive done it... on many many toons.

MG is another one I don't mind much. My girls read every book they come across anyway, though I only do damned Sheo's stupid quests on those who really need them.... which isn't many; the main on each account both pc megaservers is quite enough.

Elsonso

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WrathOfInnos wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

The Greymoor chapter was released May 2020, so all the development would have been done pre-COVID.

We got our first covid patients at my hospital in February 2020, so while most of the development was probably done before that it would have still been on the PTS and being worked on.

Yep, we were definitely in full quarantine before and during that PTS cycle. I would not be surprised if there was a larger and better new system planned, but it had to be scrapped and replaced with "Scrying" when the world went into panic.

Unlikely. Not based on what ZOS has said about how long it takes them to do things. They like to give themselves a lot of room on the calendar. The concept and design for Antiquities was probably agreed on a year before the COVID lock downs, with most of the work being done in 2019. I expect that by the time the lock downs hit they were play testing it internally, which means that Scrying and Excavating was working, but just not polished.

WhoRU

Kappachi wrote: »

I think the people who find it grindy are trying to exclusively do scrying and nothing else, it was not meant to be that way. Scry when you have leads and occasionally do the free green/blues/purples for some extra gold here and there. I never once grinded out scrying and I reached level 10 and the ability to find all the stuff I needed for mythics just through regular gameplay. This is an MMORPG, there's more features available than just scrying, and as stated before you only need max level scrying/excavating on a single character, after which when you find a lead on any of your characters you can go back to your scrying character to dig it up.

However, if you are a console player and find the "keen eye treasure chests" useful, as I certainly do, then you have to level up each character to at least level 7. Level 9 to extend the range.

After the first having easier access to purple leads on subsequent characters would be a great help.

I'm currently levelling my 11th character so can advise that it only gets worse!

Elsonso

WhoRU wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

I think the people who find it grindy are trying to exclusively do scrying and nothing else, it was not meant to be that way. Scry when you have leads and occasionally do the free green/blues/purples for some extra gold here and there. I never once grinded out scrying and I reached level 10 and the ability to find all the stuff I needed for mythics just through regular gameplay. This is an MMORPG, there's more features available than just scrying, and as stated before you only need max level scrying/excavating on a single character, after which when you find a lead on any of your characters you can go back to your scrying character to dig it up.

However, if you are a console player and find the "keen eye treasure chests" useful, as I certainly do, then you have to level up each character to at least level 7. Level 9 to extend the range.

After the first having easier access to purple leads on subsequent characters would be a great help.

I'm currently levelling my 11th character so can advise that it only gets worse!

That is why they monetized it so that you could do it once and then just pay them for any additional characters that you want to also have that skill line. Now, if they do anything that makes it easier to do that first one, it will also make it easier to do the second, third, fourth...etc. That will reduce the need for the Crown Store item.

SilverBride

Elsonso wrote: »

That is why they monetized it so that you could do it once and then just pay them for any additional characters that you want to also have that skill line. Now, if they do anything that makes it easier to do that first one, it will also make it easier to do the second, third, fourth...etc. That will reduce the need for the Crown Store item.

Not necessarily. Having to log on one character to find and scry the lead, then log them off and log on the character that will excavate, with a lot of failures until they reach level 5 and can use the auger, is faster than digging up multiple green and blue leads, but it still isn't fast.

I think there would be plenty who would still opt for buying the skill line if it were available.

WhoRU

Elsonso wrote: »

WhoRU wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

I think the people who find it grindy are trying to exclusively do scrying and nothing else, it was not meant to be that way. Scry when you have leads and occasionally do the free green/blues/purples for some extra gold here and there. I never once grinded out scrying and I reached level 10 and the ability to find all the stuff I needed for mythics just through regular gameplay. This is an MMORPG, there's more features available than just scrying, and as stated before you only need max level scrying/excavating on a single character, after which when you find a lead on any of your characters you can go back to your scrying character to dig it up.

However, if you are a console player and find the "keen eye treasure chests" useful, as I certainly do, then you have to level up each character to at least level 7. Level 9 to extend the range.

After the first having easier access to purple leads on subsequent characters would be a great help.

I'm currently levelling my 11th character so can advise that it only gets worse!

That is why they monetized it so that you could do it once and then just pay them for any additional characters that you want to also have that skill line. Now, if they do anything that makes it easier to do that first one, it will also make it easier to do the second, third, fourth...etc. That will reduce the need for the Crown Store item.

I do not think this skill line is available to buy in the store? That in itself is quite surprising given how keen they usually are to have us making purchases. Still the grind keeps us engaged for quite awhile!

boi_anachronism_

WhoRU wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

WhoRU wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

I think the people who find it grindy are trying to exclusively do scrying and nothing else, it was not meant to be that way. Scry when you have leads and occasionally do the free green/blues/purples for some extra gold here and there. I never once grinded out scrying and I reached level 10 and the ability to find all the stuff I needed for mythics just through regular gameplay. This is an MMORPG, there's more features available than just scrying, and as stated before you only need max level scrying/excavating on a single character, after which when you find a lead on any of your characters you can go back to your scrying character to dig it up.

However, if you are a console player and find the "keen eye treasure chests" useful, as I certainly do, then you have to level up each character to at least level 7. Level 9 to extend the range.

After the first having easier access to purple leads on subsequent characters would be a great help.

I'm currently levelling my 11th character so can advise that it only gets worse!

That is why they monetized it so that you could do it once and then just pay them for any additional characters that you want to also have that skill line. Now, if they do anything that makes it easier to do that first one, it will also make it easier to do the second, third, fourth...etc. That will reduce the need for the Crown Store item.

I do not think this skill line is available to buy in the store? That in itself is quite surprising given how keen they usually are to have us making purchases. Still the grind keeps us engaged for quite awhile!

Its gonna be with the next update i think

katanagirl1

cyberjanet wrote: »

You only need one character with scrying skills. Once a lead has been scried, any character can dig it up. So the main scryer can scry the gold leads, and other characters can dig the gold leads, and it is entirely possible with just a trowel. This way you can level the alts much faster than one green dig at a time.

I have done this seven times already and even on my antiquity expert I just have the trowel now. You just need squared paper so you can draw the venn diagrams to know where to dig, that is the hardest part.

This is true UNLESS your character with the scrying leveled up is a different alliance than your PvP characters in Cyrodiil and you need to dig up a Dwarven lancer. As soon as the scrying toon (in my case, my main is AD) picks up the container, it becomes an Aldmeri Dominion lancer. Not useable by my DC PvP toons.

This is something the devs either never thought of, or didn’t think was worth changing.

So now I have a main AD toon with everything maxed out, one DC toon with digging maxed out, and every new DC toon has to pick up the lancer from the bank after it has been scryed by my main AC too, dug up by the first DC toon, and put in the bank. I don’t have enough skill points on my PvP toons to do all antiquity stuff.

I don’t even know why these lancers are specifically different Alliance siege. I am pretty sure they all look the same visually.

EDIT: clarification

bmnoble

It will probably end up in the crown store at some point, even then you still will have had to do it once.

Far as I am concerned just move the keen eye for chests perk to level 1 of the skill line like with the portals for the Psijic skill line and maybe I will bother to get it on all my alts. If not once on my main was more than enough for levelling those two skill lines up got no desire to ever do it again.

Balibe

bmnoble wrote: »

It will probably end up in the crown store at some point, even then you still will have had to do it once.

Arrives in the Crown Store this month, it is in the showcase ......

Antiquities Skill Lines will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms starting August 21 at 10AM EDT for PC/Mac and September 5 at 10AM EDT for Consoles.

Zabagad

SilverBride wrote: »

Having to log on one character to find and scry the lead, then log them off and log on the character that will excavate, with a lot of failures until they reach level 5 and can use the auger, is faster than digging up multiple green and blue leads, but it still isn't fast.

I just did it a few minutes ago and it was a jump from level 3 to 4 in maybe ~7min.
Sure Augur 2/2 will help to prevent the 3 fails I had, but that was an awesome way and I just can only say a big ty to @cyberjanet

cyberjanet wrote: »

YOnce a lead has been scried, any character can dig it up. So the main scryer can scry the gold leads, and other characters can dig the gold leads

Thank you so much for sharing this - I never heard before that this is possible.
It was even much more fun because of the missing Augur then the stupid green/blue grind.
And so much faster - I need more gold leads now

Elsonso

SilverBride wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

That is why they monetized it so that you could do it once and then just pay them for any additional characters that you want to also have that skill line. Now, if they do anything that makes it easier to do that first one, it will also make it easier to do the second, third, fourth...etc. That will reduce the need for the Crown Store item.

Not necessarily. Having to log on one character to find and scry the lead, then log them off and log on the character that will excavate, with a lot of failures until they reach level 5 and can use the auger, is faster than digging up multiple green and blue leads, but it still isn't fast.

I think there would be plenty who would still opt for buying the skill line if it were available.

Sure... "reduce" does not mean "eliminate"...

There are people who suffer through leveling Antiquities. And Psijic. We know there are people who will do a considerable amount of suffering to avoid paying for in-game monetization. All they need is a way to do it. If ZOS makes it easier to level, that lowers the bar. Someone who would have followed the preferred monetization path may now find the suffering to be acceptable enough to go it without monetization.

Of course, not everyone thinks of it as "suffering", but chances are those people are not going to be on the Crown Store path.

As for "plenty"... well... very subjective.

TaSheen

Zabagad wrote: »

cyberjanet wrote: »

YOnce a lead has been scried, any character can dig it up. So the main scryer can scry the gold leads, and other characters can dig the gold leads

Thank you so much for sharing this - I never heard before that this is possible.
It was even much more fun because of the missing Augur then the stupid green/blue grind.
And so much faster - I need more gold leads now

Run around Hollow City in Coldharbour, picking flowers. Only takes a couple or three, almost a guaranteed gold lead. Also, I've found that gold leads drop like rain in Telvanni Peninsula.... I found half a dozen on the first character I was just wandering around on grabbing skyshards and wayshrines!

Haenk

Leveling in Artaeum is pretty forward, as there are only a few possible spots.

I really like digging up treasures and leads, however it is not very rewarding (at least give us some exp., please) - and is too easy.
I maybe have failure rate of 5% on the most difficult leads; in theory close to 0% on all other leads, with the occasional mis-click and lack of attention.

Finding the leads is the only (really annoying) challenge.

illusiouk

Of course its boring like most skill lines, hence why ZOS likes to offer it for cash in the future. Cha Ching !

zaria

SilverBride wrote: »

Leveling scrying and excavating is the most tedious thing in this game. I work to level 7 for the glowing chests then slow down and let it level more naturally until I eventually reach 10.

Receiving 1 skill point for a green lead is beyond frustrating. Since only the first character on an account can uncover a purple lead in every zone they should at least double the amount of skill points gained from each lead for subsequent characters.

Agree. Its two tips here.
First time you get an purple drop in any zone. Do not use all of them on your main grinding to level 10.
Once you get 7 go to cold harbor, pick some flowers in hollow city, get the crystal thing lead and dig it up, repeat until 10 or 9.
Leaves the purples for the alts.

Now back then we got the system you could scry gold leads at level 5. Even if you had many fails back then it was faster than the 1 and to 2 xp diggings

Kappachi

WhoRU wrote: »

Kappachi wrote: »

I think the people who find it grindy are trying to exclusively do scrying and nothing else, it was not meant to be that way. Scry when you have leads and occasionally do the free green/blues/purples for some extra gold here and there. I never once grinded out scrying and I reached level 10 and the ability to find all the stuff I needed for mythics just through regular gameplay. This is an MMORPG, there's more features available than just scrying, and as stated before you only need max level scrying/excavating on a single character, after which when you find a lead on any of your characters you can go back to your scrying character to dig it up.

However, if you are a console player and find the "keen eye treasure chests" useful, as I certainly do, then you have to level up each character to at least level 7. Level 9 to extend the range.

After the first having easier access to purple leads on subsequent characters would be a great help.

I'm currently levelling my 11th character so can advise that it only gets worse!

as a PC player I use that keen eye too, but only on my main. if i wanna find chests/harvestable nodes/etc, i do it on my main who has all the skill points to see all that stuff from like 30 meters away, then each of my other chars specialize in 1 specific thing, like crafting or pure healer in dungeon, etc. i see no issue and feel no need to repeat the line on any of my alts.

SilverBride

Elsonso wrote: »

We know there are people who will do a considerable amount of suffering to avoid paying for in-game monetization.

I am one of those. I will not pay for wayshrines or skyshards or skill lines of any kind. I would like to play through these myself.

Ishtarknows

It's boring and slow for all players. Even more so for players levelling alts in scrying. At least first timers get purple leads for every zone to help.

Kite42

I'm the opposite of the original poster - I was okay with it on my main, found it painful on my second character, and detest it on characters 3 through n.

ShadowPaladin

Hm...

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Seriously..! If you - as a NEW PLAYER, who is playing ESO for the 1st time - don't want to level-up something, don't want to learn certain skill lines, don't want do to certain things, etc., then you should do one of the two following things:

1. If possible don't do those things while playing. (That could be a bit difficult, if its about leveling a Char and certain skills, which are needed to play .)
   [snip]
   
   If you are not a *New Player*, playing ESO for the 1st time, but instead a player who does want to level certain skill lines on an alt/twink char, then you can bear with it and get through it or wait for ZOS to release a *fast track option* via the Crown-Store . As some already mentioned. This will happen for Scrying and Co. with the next update!
   
   [edited for baiting]

Elsonso

zaria wrote: »

First time you get an purple drop in any zone. Do not use all of them on your main grinding to level 10.
Once you get 7 go to cold harbor, pick some flowers in hollow city, get the crystal thing lead and dig it up, repeat until 10 or 9.
Leaves the purples for the alts.

Why? If you are doing it on multiple characters, what does it matter? The alts can farm zones, too...

SilverBride wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

We know there are people who will do a considerable amount of suffering to avoid paying for in-game monetization.

I am one of those. I will not pay for wayshrines or skyshards or skill lines of any kind. I would like to play through these myself.

Same here. I'd do it with with multiple characters if ZOS allowed character-specific achievements.

ShadowPaladin wrote: »

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Yeah, but ZOS went and buried (pun intended) items key to many builds that new players are seeing.

We can infer that the reason that a new player wants Antiquities so bad is because one or more attractive looking builds use some Mythic item as the base (*cough* Oakensoul *cough*). Because many, if not most, of the popular build websites start with an assumption of intimate knowledge of the game, and plenty of CP to back that up, new players can be left with a shopping list of end game items for their build. A few publish the "poor man's" version of the builds, true, but are the new players going to find those builds?

So... Oakensoul ends up on that shopping list, along with the need to be at CP 160 and a crate full of dungeon and trial gear at CP 160. Getting the Mythic is one that can be done before they get to CP 160.

[edited to remove quote]

zaria

Kite42 wrote: »

I'm the opposite of the original poster - I was okay with it on my main, found it painful on my second character, and detest it on characters 3 through n.

Yes, benefit on first is all the purple leads in zones who I foolishly wasted leveling her to 10 instead of saving for alts.

TaSheen

Ishtarknows wrote: »

It's boring and slow for all players. Even more so for players levelling alts in scrying. At least first timers get purple leads for every zone to help.

It's not boring for me. I love it, and I scry/excavate on all my characters, eventually leveling them all to 10. It's a hell of a lot more fun than writs or stupid quests with Jakarn and Eveli....

ApoAlaia

The biggest issue - for me - is that the first time per account is kinda grindy but OK however every character thereafter is either really protracted (if one wants to 'spice up' the levelling up process by leaving Artaeum) or mind numbingly boring (if one decides to stay in Artaeum).

We used to get a nice skill line(s) XP boost from achievements too which cut some of the grind, but that went bye bye with AwA and was replaced with... nothing, just more grind.

However with the skill line(s) soon hitting the crown store ZOS shaving off some of the tedium, at least in the short-mid term is very unlikely.

For comparison TG/DB were released in spring 2016 and only now, 7 years and change later, are they going to allow completing the questline without the relevant Covetous Countess/Killing Spree palaver, and that palaver is arguably a fraction of what levelling antiquities entails.

So yeah, see you in 2027, maybe.

Mesite

I am only levelling up scrying on one (maybe 2) of my characters . But I've taken some advice from here and started doing a couple of leads a day for fun, rather than more grinding.

belial5221_ESO

It takes time,but can go a liitle faster if you wear coward gear,and can move as fast as possible, and farm Bal Foyen or Arteum since small area faster to find til you can unlock blues,then goto every zone,and farm the greens,then back to bal foyen or arteum and farm green/blue til you can unlock purples,then go around and farm all other zones blues/purples.This way you don't farm green ones multiple times per zone.Shaves off some time,but probably not enough to everyone.