2 extremely low-effort PvP QoL changes

gariondavey

Dear developers,

Please add "tri-pots" (health + stam + mag) to the pvp rewards vendor. It could replace the existing "health draught" that gives hp + invis + unstoppable, or it could be a new item entirely.

Please change "daily bg" reward to align with "daily random dungeon" reward by giving 10 transmute crystals. A bg takes about the same time as a random dungeon so this would be fair in terms of time invested. It would also increase interest in bgs.

Thank you.

@ZOS_Kevin

Edit: please hit agree to show your support so zos can see player agreement to these simple yet effective changes.

Jierdanit

Yes to both of those, players should be able to get everything they need to keep PvPing in PvP instead of having to do RNDs etc.
But it won't happen cause PvE players start to cry as soon as PvP players get stuff that's nice and they don't get it for free.

gariondavey

This would benefit pvers. Tanks use tri pots in trials, as do some dps and healers in various pve content.

ketsparrowhawk

Totally agree! Both are small things that would be hugely appreciated by the BG community! Tripots are basically the only thing I spend gold anymore. And a guaranteed 10 transmutes would ensure a healthy BG population. Maybe it would even allow us to have DM queue again (one can dream).

JerBearESO

I wouldn't mind tripots on that vendor, but wouldn't want to lose the current pot. All in all the vendor should simply give more options altogether.

Necrotech_Master

i dont have a lot of opinion on the tripots (i have like 3000 some crown tripots sitting in my bank right now lol)

but i would agree on the transmutes for BGs, its nice to have options

Necrotech_Master

Dekrypted wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont have a lot of opinion on the tripots (i have like 3000 some crown tripots sitting in my bank right now lol)

but i would agree on the transmutes for BGs, its nice to have options

Curious question. When you pvp, what type of potions do you typically use? I'm always running low on tri pots and I know they can be used in pve as well, which may be a driver for the cost being so high.

Personally I think adding even a slightly weaker version of the standard tri pots into the alliance merchant system would help reign in prices while not dramatically eliminating markets.

if im trying to do better, the crown tripots that just restore all 3 resources

if i dont care much, ill just run generic health pots lol

dont really play pvp competitively but it works for me (and is super cheap to maintain)

Amottica

I assume that OP is asking for the tri-restoration pots, as Zenimax calls it, that restore all three resources since an HP+Invis+Unstopable is also a tri-pot by definition.

I suggest being clear about that in the OP since any potion that provides three things is a tri-pot.

Good luck with the suggestion.

gariondavey

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont have a lot of opinion on the tripots (i have like 3000 some crown tripots sitting in my bank right now lol)

but i would agree on the transmutes for BGs, its nice to have options

In a pvp environment you usually use potion on cooldown.
This means you will go through a stack of 200 potions in 2.5 hours. If zos gave the option of choosing your daily reward so that you could only get tri pots instead of crown food, riding lessons, etc, then people who do intense pve and pvp content would not be in the situation we are currently in.
If I play a couple hours of bgs or ic in the evening, I can go through 5+ stacks of potions by the time a week is over. That's millions of gold worth of potions.
People who have stacks of potions sitting around don't partake in enough intense combat situations to have this be an issue to them.
This is all inconsequential anyway. There are 3 potions you can buy with alliance points, and the addition of a tri pot would do wonders for pvpers and pvers alike.

gariondavey

Amottica wrote: »

I assume that OP is asking for the tri-restoration pots, as Zenimax calls it, that restore all three resources since an HP+Invis+Unstopable is also a tri-pot by definition.

I suggest being clear about that in the OP since any potion that provides three things is a tri-pot.

Good luck with the suggestion.

It should be pretty clear which potions I'm talking about. Essence of health (hp mag stam) is the technical name I believe (and that shares a name with just plain health potion I believe).

Necrotech_Master

gariondavey wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont have a lot of opinion on the tripots (i have like 3000 some crown tripots sitting in my bank right now lol)

but i would agree on the transmutes for BGs, its nice to have options

In a pvp environment you usually use potion on cooldown.
This means you will go through a stack of 200 potions in 2.5 hours. If zos gave the option of choosing your daily reward so that you could only get tri pots instead of crown food, riding lessons, etc, then people who do intense pve and pvp content would not be in the situation we are currently in.
If I play a couple hours of bgs or ic in the evening, I can go through 5+ stacks of potions by the time a week is over. That's millions of gold worth of potions.
People who have stacks of potions sitting around don't partake in enough intense combat situations to have this be an issue to them.
This is all inconsequential anyway. There are 3 potions you can buy with alliance points, and the addition of a tri pot would do wonders for pvpers and pvers alike.

i certainly dont go through pots that fast, the way i use them lol, ill usually use them only if the fight is dragging on and im low on resources, or i need a quick burst heal to help me get through

other than that i pretty much never use them (like ive mentioned i dont play pvp seriously or competitively lol)

gariondavey

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i dont have a lot of opinion on the tripots (i have like 3000 some crown tripots sitting in my bank right now lol)

but i would agree on the transmutes for BGs, its nice to have options

In a pvp environment you usually use potion on cooldown.
This means you will go through a stack of 200 potions in 2.5 hours. If zos gave the option of choosing your daily reward so that you could only get tri pots instead of crown food, riding lessons, etc, then people who do intense pve and pvp content would not be in the situation we are currently in.
If I play a couple hours of bgs or ic in the evening, I can go through 5+ stacks of potions by the time a week is over. That's millions of gold worth of potions.
People who have stacks of potions sitting around don't partake in enough intense combat situations to have this be an issue to them.
This is all inconsequential anyway. There are 3 potions you can buy with alliance points, and the addition of a tri pot would do wonders for pvpers and pvers alike.

i certainly dont go through pots that fast, the way i use them lol, ill usually use them only if the fight is dragging on and im low on resources, or i need a quick burst heal to help me get through

other than that i pretty much never use them (like ive mentioned i dont play pvp seriously or competitively lol)

Yeah competitive people chug those potions like mountain dew at a 10 year old kid's birthday party

preevious

I'm actually surprised it isn't the case for BG
I thought it was.

I wholeheartedly support.

React

Both of these would take no time whatsoever to implement and would be greatly appreciated by PVP and PVE players alike.

maxjapank

Would be nice to choose which scroll quest you want.

OBJnoob

Yes to the BG transmutes but no to the tripots I think.

Don't get me wrong tripots are my main potion as well, and all I do is pvp, so this would help me immensely. But I think this is a viable gold sink. They're only so expensive because people buy them. Which means they're either very valuable, people have too much money, or both. In this case I think it's clearly both.

People farm these ingredients, either in overland or in IC, specifically to sell.

I do think, from a PvP perspective, this would be a good quality of life improvement. Obviously. But is it worth eliminating a healthy sector of the economy and making valuable things found in-game worthless?

xDeusEJRx

The tri-restore potions definitely should be added to pvp vendors.
The BG transmute change would be greatly appreciated but I don't expect it to happen

StaticWave

Adding Tri-pots to PvP vendor would help PvPers self-sustain by just PvPing. This should be on top of the list of PvP QoL changes.

SaffronCitrusflower

They sell this item in the crown store, so, ya, they are trying to get you to buy it with crowns or endeavors.

Lebkuchen

After so many years you should know what they think of the PvP community. It would be best if one of you could just buy Cyrodiil and fix it with the help of another dev team. Make a whole new game. I would buy it.

gariondavey

Lebkuchen wrote: »

After so many years you should know what they think of the PvP community. It would be best if one of you could just buy Cyrodiil and fix it with the help of another dev team. Make a whole new game. I would buy it.

Yeah I feel you. But something like these requests should hopefully be doable

Jaraal

maxjapank wrote: »

Would be nice to choose which scroll quest you want.

Or which Conquest Mission.


And yes to tri-resto pots being purchasable with AP, and sellable like the Alliance spell pots.

M0ntie

BGs used to give 10 transmutes. I wonder why ZoS removed that? I can't see anyone complaining about an easy quick way to get more transmutes.
Plus it would encourage more people back to BGs, not just super sweaty BG'ers, which would make it more fun.

xDeusEJRx

M0ntie wrote: »

BGs used to give 10 transmutes. I wonder why ZoS removed that? I can't see anyone complaining about an easy quick way to get more transmutes.
Plus it would encourage more people back to BGs, not just super sweaty BG'ers, which would make it more fun.

Reason I don't see transmute thing happening is because PVE players will complain that they feel "forced" to PvP to get transmutes because of it's about comparable with the rewards you'd get from a random normal dungeon without the long wait time from finding roles.

Obviously I don't believe that one bit but that's the argument I will see being tossed around

Jierdanit

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

BGs used to give 10 transmutes. I wonder why ZoS removed that? I can't see anyone complaining about an easy quick way to get more transmutes.
Plus it would encourage more people back to BGs, not just super sweaty BG'ers, which would make it more fun.

Reason I don't see transmute thing happening is because PVE players will complain that they feel "forced" to PvP to get transmutes because of it's about comparable with the rewards you'd get from a random normal dungeon without the long wait time from finding roles.

Obviously I don't believe that one bit but that's the argument I will see being tossed around

Yeah as soon as PvP gets rewards comparable to PvE they start whining, cause lots feel like they are entitled to everything in the game.

Tons of good sets for PvP are locked behind doing PvE, but you don't see PvP players complain about that for some reason.

Aka_

gariondavey wrote: »

This would benefit pvers. Tanks use tri pots in trials, as do some dps and healers in various pve content.

Okay, and?

Turtle_Bot

gariondavey wrote: »

Dear developers,

Please add "tri-pots" (health + stam + mag) to the pvp rewards vendor. It could replace the existing "health draught" that gives hp + invis + unstoppable, or it could be a new item entirely.

Please change "daily bg" reward to align with "daily random dungeon" reward by giving 10 transmute crystals. A bg takes about the same time as a random dungeon so this would be fair in terms of time invested. It would also increase interest in bgs.

Thank you.

@ZOS_Kevin

Edit: please hit agree to show your support so zos can see player agreement to these simple yet effective changes.

surprised this hasn't been done already tbh. they give out tri-pots for free from log ins, character levelling, and so many other sources already.

Make them available for gold and AP (like the other pots are) so that way both PvPers and PvErs can spend their common currency on them.

Probably make for a nice gold sink as well (when spending gold to buy them in PvP zones) as an opportunity to make some gold as well for players to sell them on guild stores when buying them with AP.

jecks33

gariondavey wrote: »

Please add "tri-pots" (health + stam + mag) to the pvp rewards vendor.

this would be great!!

JerBearESO

Lebkuchen wrote: »

After so many years you should know what they think of the PvP community. It would be best if one of you could just buy Cyrodiil and fix it with the help of another dev team. Make a whole new game. I would buy it.

This is an interesting point of view. I have always felt that the cryo concept done right could be it's very own amazingly successful stand alone title. I wonder why they overlook just how big a thing this could be.

I would say their current design attracts well under a percent of it's potential, as far as player base. This has always been the thing that is perpetually ALMOST the biggest thing in gaming, from my point of view. It's like they honestly have no idea of the gold mine they are sitting on....

Tyrant_Tim

JerBearESO wrote: »

Lebkuchen wrote: »

After so many years you should know what they think of the PvP community. It would be best if one of you could just buy Cyrodiil and fix it with the help of another dev team. Make a whole new game. I would buy it.

This is an interesting point of view. I have always felt that the cryo concept done right could be it's very own amazingly successful stand alone title. I wonder why they overlook just how big a thing this could be.

I would say their current design attracts well under a percent of it's potential, as far as player base. This has always been the thing that is perpetually ALMOST the biggest thing in gaming, from my point of view. It's like they honestly have no idea of the gold mine they are sitting on....

I brought it up awhile ago, but if you look at the list of games being sold, the best selling games tend to all be PvP games. Regardless of where you look, it will take quite some time before you find a singleplayer or an only cooperative one.

Last I checked, Hogwarts Legacy was the only one on that list, and that’s singleplayer, which begs the question; why do people believe cooperative games sell better than PvP ones?

SerLoras

Yes, they definitely need to add a Tri-Pot option to the AP vendor. The vendor already sells the Spell Power and Weapon Power pots that most Magicka and Stamina DPS use in PvE. It's only fair that tanks and healers should be able to buy their Tri-Pots with AP too.