Are we still due to get the Nerf of Zenithar event?

joergino

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

Since the Zeal of Zenithar event is a crafting event it makes sense that players would bank crafting writs to use during a crafting event that rewards completing writs just like people bank transmutes ahead of an expansion in case we need to recreate armor sets due to the meta shifting. Basically they are just planning ahead based upon the expectations of the festival.

This year it is only a crafting event by the badly outdated "work hard" description. It's been annihilated

Peppo_Lives

i'm not surprised tbh, zos is getting the habit of ruining erm.... twisting everything in weird ways [caustic sarcasm ON] devs want less spam of master writ? they already forgot they have replaced the servers? [caustic sarcasm OFF]

tsaescishoeshiner

I'm still really happy about this change because I don't have to hoard writs all year just to optimize the event. Now I just hoard them because I'm procrastinating. Much better imo

Lord_Graas

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just as a follow up here, we also posted on our official thread as well. We have left a quote from that thread below.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

Thanks for ruining this event by limiting the writs.

We wanted to touch on this as we've seen the feedback around this change. The intention here was not to "ruin" the event, but rather bring it inline with team expectations. The writs are limited this time around to reduce the amount of writ spamming that occurred during the last event. The amount of spamming did not line up with the team's intention for the event. While we know this a frustrating change for some, it was a change made with careful consideration for the overall health of the event.

That being said, there is always room for adjustment in the future, so please continue to share your feedback.

I've been hoarding master writs for a hole year since last Zenithar event. Just for next event. I'm disappointed now
Remember, Zenithar would not approve of such a decision.

WreckfulAbandon

The type of players who hoard writs for the event are likely the same types who monitor TTC religiously to buy anything under market value so they can put it up for sale at a higher price. Thanks for the 46k dreugh wax prices and enjoy the new version of the Zenithar event nerds 👍

jaws343

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The type of players who hoard writs for the event are likely the same types who monitor TTC religiously to buy anything under market value so they can put it up for sale at a higher price. Thanks for the 46k dreugh wax prices and enjoy the new version of the Zenithar event nerds 👍

Not to mention, they started hoarding writs for an event they didn't even know was coming back.

SeaGtGruff

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The type of players who hoard writs for the event are likely the same types who monitor TTC religiously to buy anything under market value so they can put it up for sale at a higher price. Thanks for the 46k dreugh wax prices and enjoy the new version of the Zenithar event nerds 👍

Yep, they did it to themselves-- and, unfortunately, to the rest of us as well. So now, as usual, ZOS has to be the bad guy.

Lord_Graas

Zenimaks spent a lot of time creating a unique festival grounds in Craglorn with lots of shops and characters, including special guests, they also added random events throughout Tamriel. It was obvious to all players (except perhaps for a couple of toxic ones) that Zenimax would continue to hold the Zenithar event further and possibly complement it.
So why not prepare ahead of time? Especially if you are playing solo and crafting writs are almost the only chance to get event boxes.

vsrs_au

Lord_Graas wrote: »

Zenimaks spent a lot of time creating a unique festival grounds in Craglorn with lots of shops and characters, including special guests, they also added random events throughout Tamriel. It was obvious to all players (except perhaps for a couple of toxic ones) that Zenimax would continue to hold the Zenithar event further and possibly complement it.
So why not prepare ahead of time? Especially if you are playing solo and crafting writs are almost the only chance to get event boxes.

According to the official event page, event boxes drop from various sources:
- writs
- master writs
- thieves troves
- group events

As a solo player, I'll be taking full advantage of the first 3 sources of event boxes, so I'm happy enough with the event setup.

Ragnarok0130

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The type of players who hoard writs for the event are likely the same types who monitor TTC religiously to buy anything under market value so they can put it up for sale at a higher price. Thanks for the 46k dreugh wax prices and enjoy the new version of the Zenithar event nerds 👍

That just sounds like sour grapes topped off by an insult TBH. You too can be an Imperial City business mogul if you want with a little time and effort and by joining a trading guild. I personally don't like playing that way and do writs and crafting surveys to upgrade my raiding gear but I don't try to portray the players who enjoy participating in the trader side of the game as bad.

Necrotech_Master

vsrs_au wrote: »

Lord_Graas wrote: »

Zenimaks spent a lot of time creating a unique festival grounds in Craglorn with lots of shops and characters, including special guests, they also added random events throughout Tamriel. It was obvious to all players (except perhaps for a couple of toxic ones) that Zenimax would continue to hold the Zenithar event further and possibly complement it.
So why not prepare ahead of time? Especially if you are playing solo and crafting writs are almost the only chance to get event boxes.

According to the official event page, event boxes drop from various sources:
- writs
- master writs
- thieves troves
- group events

As a solo player, I'll be taking full advantage of the first 3 sources of event boxes, so I'm happy enough with the event setup.

the problem with that though is how many event boxes you can get

• daily writs: 1 event box per day from 1 daily writ (not per craft, 1 box total from this source per day)
• master writs: 1 box per craft per day (max of 7 boxes from this source per day)
• thieves troves: fairly rare/random, good luck trying to farm them
• WBs: unlimited boxes per day (limited only by the 3 min boss loot timer, which ironically is basically the same as the witches festival)

vsrs_au

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

Lord_Graas wrote: »

Zenimaks spent a lot of time creating a unique festival grounds in Craglorn with lots of shops and characters, including special guests, they also added random events throughout Tamriel. It was obvious to all players (except perhaps for a couple of toxic ones) that Zenimax would continue to hold the Zenithar event further and possibly complement it.
So why not prepare ahead of time? Especially if you are playing solo and crafting writs are almost the only chance to get event boxes.

According to the official event page, event boxes drop from various sources:
- writs
- master writs
- thieves troves
- group events

As a solo player, I'll be taking full advantage of the first 3 sources of event boxes, so I'm happy enough with the event setup.

the problem with that though is how many event boxes you can get

• daily writs: 1 event box per day from 1 daily writ (not per craft, 1 box total from this source per day)
• master writs: 1 box per craft per day (max of 7 boxes from this source per day)
• thieves troves: fairly rare/random, good luck trying to farm them
• WBs: unlimited boxes per day (limited only by the 3 min boss loot timer, which ironically is basically the same as the witches festival)

It doesn't bother me. I'll just accept whatever event boxes I happen to get. I'm not going into this event with high expectations.

WreckfulAbandon

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

That just sounds like sour grapes topped off by an insult TBH. You too can be an Imperial City business mogul if you want with a little time and effort and by joining a trading guild. I personally don't like playing that way and do writs and crafting surveys to upgrade my raiding gear but I don't try to portray the players who enjoy participating in the trader side of the game as bad.

To each their own. There are paths to getting a billion gold that don't involve price gouging essential items. And I wouldn't go so far as to call them "bad" but maybe not too far from it 😉

Sarannah

jaws343 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The type of players who hoard writs for the event are likely the same types who monitor TTC religiously to buy anything under market value so they can put it up for sale at a higher price. Thanks for the 46k dreugh wax prices and enjoy the new version of the Zenithar event nerds 👍

Not to mention, they started hoarding writs for an event they didn't even know was coming back.

Going to respond to both of the quoted:
First of all, I do not use add-ons, nor am I in a guild. (Not ready to join or start a guild yet, still have solo things to do.)

Second, this event was announced about a month ago. And since most events are yearly, it was not crazy to expect it to return. I believe they even said this last year, that they wanted Zenithar to become a yearly event.

Right now I have no way to farm any boxes at all. I can only do the crafting writ one, and the master writ ones(eight total). The troves can't really be farmed. And I am not in a guild, which excludes me from getting any more boxes.

For me, a crafter, this crafting event is totally and completely ruined.

ankerous

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Yep, they did it to themselves-- and, unfortunately, to the rest of us as well. So now, as usual, ZOS has to be the bad guy.

Maybe.....just maybe having an event where it is easy to essentially farm infinite boxes should never have happened in the first place. It isn't like it was the first event ever held nor is it the first or last time people have taken advantage of something as much as they can in the game.

I feel like ZOS has to get it right the first time a little bit more often. The more they do this kind of thing, the initial pumped up stats/drops/etc followed by a massive nerf, the more they will anger players who might end up leaving.

Carcamongus

I don't see what the problem is with writ spamming, I think that's the term Kevin used. This is the event of hard work and it sure is hard work to arrange room in the inventory for the writs and then to complete them all. It's obvious people would hoard the master writs. Now, one can say it's also hard work to kill world bosses. After all, being a witcher isn't easy. Oh, wrong universe. Why, though, should that hard work only be rewarded if done with a guildmate? For many people, many of the bosses already require a group to be beaten, especially the new ones from Necrom. Please, stop pushing this "complete X with a guildmate" garbage.

Braffin

Carcamongus wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is with writ spamming, I think that's the term Kevin used. This is the event of hard work and it sure is hard work to arrange room in the inventory for the writs and then to complete them all. It's obvious people would hoard the master writs. Now, one can say it's also hard work to kill world bosses. After all, being a witcher isn't easy. Oh, wrong universe. Why, though, should that hard work only be rewarded if done with a guildmate? For many people, many of the bosses already require a group to be beaten, especially the new ones from Necrom. Please, stop pushing this "complete X with a guildmate" garbage.

According to lore Zenithar isn't only the god of labor but also god of traders, communication and community. Seems fitting to reward more social players.

RevJJ

Braffin wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is with writ spamming, I think that's the term Kevin used. This is the event of hard work and it sure is hard work to arrange room in the inventory for the writs and then to complete them all. It's obvious people would hoard the master writs. Now, one can say it's also hard work to kill world bosses. After all, being a witcher isn't easy. Oh, wrong universe. Why, though, should that hard work only be rewarded if done with a guildmate? For many people, many of the bosses already require a group to be beaten, especially the new ones from Necrom. Please, stop pushing this "complete X with a guildmate" garbage.

According to lore Zenithar isn't only the god of labor but also god of traders, communication and community. Seems fitting to reward more social players.

I think we can conclude that ZOS are not followers of Zenithar 😉

Braffin

RevJJ wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is with writ spamming, I think that's the term Kevin used. This is the event of hard work and it sure is hard work to arrange room in the inventory for the writs and then to complete them all. It's obvious people would hoard the master writs. Now, one can say it's also hard work to kill world bosses. After all, being a witcher isn't easy. Oh, wrong universe. Why, though, should that hard work only be rewarded if done with a guildmate? For many people, many of the bosses already require a group to be beaten, especially the new ones from Necrom. Please, stop pushing this "complete X with a guildmate" garbage.

According to lore Zenithar isn't only the god of labor but also god of traders, communication and community. Seems fitting to reward more social players.

I think we can conclude that ZOS are not followers of Zenithar 😉

That's for sure.

SeaGtGruff

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The type of players who hoard writs for the event are likely the same types who monitor TTC religiously to buy anything under market value so they can put it up for sale at a higher price. Thanks for the 46k dreugh wax prices and enjoy the new version of the Zenithar event nerds 👍

Yep, they did it to the

ankerous wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Yep, they did it to themselves-- and, unfortunately, to the rest of us as well. So now, as usual, ZOS has to be the bad guy.

Maybe.....just maybe having an event where it is easy to essentially farm infinite boxes should never have happened in the first place. It isn't like it was the first event ever held nor is it the first or last time people have taken advantage of something as much as they can in the game.

I feel like ZOS has to get it right the first time a little bit more often. The more they do this kind of thing, the initial pumped up stats/drops/etc followed by a massive nerf, the more they will anger players who might end up leaving.

Well, maybe a lot of the players should be more willing to accept that their choices and actions within the game do have some consequences, instead of always deflecting any blame onto ZOS and refusing to shoulder any of the blame themselves. We are why we can't have nice things.

Tra_Lalan

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We wanted to touch on this as we've seen the feedback around this change. The intention here was not to "ruin" the event, but rather bring it inline with team expectations. The writs are limited this time around to reduce the amount of writ spamming that occurred during the last event. The amount of spamming did not line up with the team's intention for the event. While we know this a frustrating change for some, it was a change made with careful consideration for the overall health of the event.

That being said, there is always room for adjustment in the future, so please continue to share your feedback.

Thanks for the info Kevin.

Then I guess the team expectations for this event was to make it not fun for me.

I really don't get this decision. So no limits on WB or stealing are ok? But not for master writs?
Also what is the team protecting here? Market prices for blue recipes? Last year I made hudreds of master writs, and opened hundreds of boxes. There really wasnt anything great in them, but it was quite fun just to process it.

I guess no fun this time. Those writs will have to wait for the next double XP thing.

preevious

To be fair, Teso has, in my opinion far too many events, yielding far too many rewards.
The guild stores a filled to the gills with the sames yellow style pages that no one will buy anymore and that are worth nothing since we're drowning in them.

Limiting the reward boxes but increasing the xp gained for the writs would be enough. The limit is fine by me.

ankerous

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Well, maybe a lot of the players should be more willing to accept that their choices and actions within the game do have some consequences, instead of always deflecting any blame onto ZOS and refusing to shoulder any of the blame themselves. We are why we can't have nice things.

It is literally the fault of ZOS. They created an event where you could get infinite boxes assuming you are willing to put in the time/effort/gold to do so. Players will always take advantage of things that they can take advantage of in games. Yes, the consequences of people doing tons of master writs led to this but it should never have led to anything if ZOS hadn't made infinite boxes a possibility in the first place.

People take advantage of anything in all walks of life if things aren't spelled out entirely or if no restrictions are put in place. This is just an example of that.

jad11mumbler

pklemming wrote: »

Did they change their minds and give us the normal event we have had for years....

"For years"

You mean the one, single other time this event has ran?

Either way the rewards weren't even worth it last time, and I did well over 2000 master writs during the last ZoZ.
So it's not a big loss IMO.

Daily crafting writs alone are much more rewarding than anything from the event.

Four_Fingers

Really love the CP10 food recipes dropping in the boxes on a CP2000+ character. lol

Adaarye

As I posted in another thread, this event is gutted for me.

I can't speak for the rest of the players that are mainly into crafting/housing/trading but I do feel certain I'm not the only player frustrated by the crafting event of the year being turned into a social kill this kill that event.

S'okay. I can do what I can do then log off and play something else.

OsUfi

I get the writ spamming was not intended last time around, however, daily writs could have been at least 1 per trade a day. This has turned the event into a non-event for me. Event tickets daily and move on.

Katheriah

Me and my 18 master crafters are grumpy

Zachary_Shadow

Although I understand the reasoning behind the master writ cap, the crafting daily quest cap should at the very least be reverted. It was the only reason I bothered to level up my other characters' crafting through the crafting quests. This event, once a favorite, is just now one I will likely ignore due to it being more group-oriented, something that ZOS is seemingly pushing more and more with the new endeavors and other changes in the PTS. As a solo player, what is the point of participating in this event besides a few daily parcels? I understand I have a chance to earn one from stealing, but I truly don't understand this change. An event that lasted two weeks was being "spammed" just from the crafting dailies? For a game that has always promoted its "play how you want" style, I haven't felt that in some time and have found myself playing less and less since Blackwood.

XoXJulietteXoX

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just as a follow up here, we also posted on our official thread as well. We have left a quote from that thread below.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

NoxiousBlight wrote: »

Thanks for ruining this event by limiting the writs.

We wanted to touch on this as we've seen the feedback around this change. The intention here was not to "ruin" the event, but rather bring it inline with team expectations. The writs are limited this time around to reduce the amount of writ spamming that occurred during the last event. The amount of spamming did not line up with the team's intention for the event. While we know this a frustrating change for some, it was a change made with careful consideration for the overall health of the event.

That being said, there is always room for adjustment in the future, so please continue to share your feedback.

@ZOS_Kevin thank you for the post, can you define "writ spamming" and what makes it a negative in the development team's eyes?

Since the Zeal of Zenithar event is a crafting event it makes sense that players would bank crafting writs to use during a crafting event that rewards completing writs just like people bank transmutes ahead of an expansion in case we need to recreate armor sets due to the meta shifting. Basically they are just planning ahead based upon the expectations of the festival.

EXACTLY. They do everything they can to bust crafter's bubbles.