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Crushing Shock needs a cast time
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With the previous change to Crushing Shock, it now delivers 3X more damage than it used to because it now hits for Flame, Frost and Shock damage simultaneously. As a result in Update 38 we're now seeing all sorts of silly one button Crutching Shock spamming ganker builds that only succeed because of this change. If this ability is going to do so much damage going forward, why doesn't it now deserve a cast time? Lethal Arrow with a bow requires a 0.8 second cast time. Shouldn't this new version of this ability require one too?
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MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭It’s always hit for three damage types at once. But on a side note I think they should ditch it altogether and put in a new skill that matches the damage type of the staff used.15 -
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✭✭✭✭it now delivers 3X more damage than it used to ?
This is not true.
Crushng Shock's tooltip value is and long has been in line with other single-target spammables', including those that (unlike Crushing Shock) do considerable damage to secondary targets.Edited by FrancisCrawford on July 21, 2023 1:17AM15 -
thesarahandcompany✭✭✭✭Crushing shock doesn't do more damage. Other things are boosting damage of the ability. Ex: Draugrkin's grip. Each of the three damage procs from pulse gains the value from Draugrkin's grip. If it applies status effects, those status effects get the bonus too.Sarahandcompany
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SandandStars✭✭✭✭✭crushing shock is only useful as an interrupt.
you literally can’t make it do any damage.
mediocre as it is, it’s still a better pvp spammable than cliff racers, skulls, or frags because it’s the only existing ranged magicka spammable that’s fast enough to actually hit a player.
go ahead and nerf it though.
along with the 10% dmg reduction to fire staves.
if you’re gonna make staves even more useless in pvp, do it right.
Edited by SandandStars on July 21, 2023 2:54AM11 -
Janni✭✭✭✭SandandStars wrote: »crushing shock is only useful as an interrupt.
you literally can’t make it do any damage.
mediocre as it is, it’s still a better pvp spammable than cliff racers, skulls, or frags because it’s the only existing ranged magicka spammable that’s fast enough to actually hit a player.
go ahead and nerf it though.
along with the 10% dmg reduction to fire staves.
if you’re gonna make staves even more useless in pvp, do it right.
It's def more powerful than the tooltip makes it look. It's one of the best spammables due to the range, the status effects, and the multiple sources of damage which can chew right through absorption spells like they were made of ice cream. Erm, does that analogy make sense? I think I just want ice cream actually. Anyway if you lead up with a heavy attack into it you are on par with a heavy dual wield into rending slashes with easily 6 sources of damage right there.
EDIT -> Whoops, dunno why I read that wrong, you were talking about crushing shock. Which I agree is a good bit less powerful than force pulse. Still annoying when people on rooftops hit you with it while you're trying to siege or res someone tho.
In response to the OP, it doesn't need a cast time because it has a travel time, which is the main weakness of it. Which is fine, because without that it would be way too powerful.
Edited by Janni on July 21, 2023 10:48AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SandandStars wrote: »crushing shock is only useful as an interrupt.
you literally can’t make it do any damage.
mediocre as it is, it’s still a better pvp spammable than cliff racers, skulls, or frags because it’s the only existing ranged magicka spammable that’s fast enough to actually hit a player.
go ahead and nerf it though.
along with the 10% dmg reduction to fire staves.
if you’re gonna make staves even more useless in pvp, do it right.
Crushing shock and force pulse do the exact same single target damage.1 -
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✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
It actually does slightly less tooltip damage than otherwise similar skills with cast times like Crystal Fragments or Dark Flare. That said, its much shorter travel time and the fact that its damage is divided into 3 separate hits makes it way better than either of them (or pretty much any of the other ranged Magicka spammables).
The power of the 3 separate hits is that it's one of very few ways to average more than 2 instances of single target direct damage per second, which is extremely good for proccing things like sets and status effects.0 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭With the previous change to Crushing Shock, it now delivers 3X more damage than it used to because it now hits for Flame, Frost and Shock damage simultaneously. As a result in Update 38 we're now seeing all sorts of silly one button Crutching Shock spamming ganker builds that only succeed because of this change. If this ability is going to do so much damage going forward, why doesn't it now deserve a cast time? Lethal Arrow with a bow requires a 0.8 second cast time. Shouldn't this new version of this ability require one too?
Crushing shock has always dealt all 3 types of damage. The only thing that's changed is that Draugrkin builds have gotten significantly more popular over the last year.9 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If anything bow Focused Aim/Lethal Arrow in bow should have its cast time removed since ZOS changed it to a spammable.
Crushing Shock builds are popular because they work with one bar builds which saves you from performance issues with bar swaps, gets rid of wasted GCD refreshing buffs, and still does adequate damage for a group/zerg player.Edited by katorga on July 21, 2023 4:04PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭aurelius_fx wrote: »how are you getting ganked with crushing shock
Because it's ridiculously strong right now? A Draugrkin ganker with Crushing Shock will delete healthbars.1 -
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✭✭✭JerBearESO wrote: »Sounds like status effect focused build with draugrkin
They will nerf the set, not the skill.Fear is the Mindkiller2 -
Janni✭✭✭✭aurelius_fx wrote: »how are you getting ganked with crushing shock
Maybe it was me? lol I've been using it on my nightblade for a very long time now. Elemental weapon and crushing shock with a torug's enchantment is pretty decent and makes a lot of numbers pop up over people's heads.Edited by Janni on July 21, 2023 9:59PM5 -
JerBearESO✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »JerBearESO wrote: »Sounds like status effect focused build with draugrkin
They will nerf the set, not the skill.
I hope so. Draugrkin, and dragons appetite, both disobey 2 key rules of proc sets:
1. They offer flat damage, not scaling to wep/spell damage.
2. They work WITH other procs.
Though with an appropriate nerf I would hope they would remove the healing penalty. So wonky having to frontbar only....1 -
aurelius_fx✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »aurelius_fx wrote: »how are you getting ganked with crushing shock
Because it's ridiculously strong right now? A Draugrkin ganker with Crushing Shock will delete healthbars.
21k health bars on horses? draugrkin has been changed for months now and there have been no changes to crushing shockaurelius_fx wrote: »how are you getting ganked with crushing shock
Maybe it was me? lol I've been using it on my nightblade for a very long time now. Elemental weapon and crushing shock with a torug's enchantment is pretty decent and makes a lot of numbers pop up over people's heads.
didn't they make it so ele weap pulls you out of stealth?0 -
Janni✭✭✭✭aurelius_fx wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »aurelius_fx wrote: »how are you getting ganked with crushing shock
Because it's ridiculously strong right now? A Draugrkin ganker with Crushing Shock will delete healthbars.
21k health bars on horses? draugrkin has been changed for months now and there have been no changes to crushing shockaurelius_fx wrote: »how are you getting ganked with crushing shock
Maybe it was me? lol I've been using it on my nightblade for a very long time now. Elemental weapon and crushing shock with a torug's enchantment is pretty decent and makes a lot of numbers pop up over people's heads.
didn't they make it so ele weap pulls you out of stealth?
Oh yeah, I think you are right! It's probably been a patch or so since I really played my nightblade for more than the tier1. I probably didn't even notice tbh and just assumed they were using detect pots lol1 -
JerBearESO✭✭✭✭I don't think ele wep is supposed to destealth, or mages guild dot, or rending slashes.... It feels like bugs to me, especially since it has been fixed and rebroken in the past ....0
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aurelius_fx✭✭✭JerBearESO wrote: »I don't think ele wep is supposed to destealth, or mages guild dot, or rending slashes.... It feels like bugs to me, especially since it has been fixed and rebroken in the past ....
iirc the change wasn't even documented. i don't think anyone at zos is gonna be shedding a tear over gankers, though0