Lead: Inkwood Box (Glyphic Secrets music box) - ToT only source?

ApoAlaia

Some leads have multiple sources, I was wondering if anyone has gotten this lead from any source other than the ToT daily quest reward coffer?

freespirit

I haven't but if it's any consolation it dropped from the NPC dailies for me on my second set!

Display Leads Addon atm only shows ToT reward coffers as the source too.

MafiaCat115

I doubt it has any other source, but I'd love to know what rarity it can drop from. Does it always have to be after three victories, or is one or two enough? Seems like I've only heard of it dropping after three wins to get the top tier coffer.

Luke_Flamesword

I got it today from purple coffer - it was something like 8 purple and 3 times more greenies before finally get it.

ApoAlaia

Thanks for the replies beautiful people.

One could only hope

Oh well...

freespirit

MafiaCat115 wrote: »

I doubt it has any other source, but I'd love to know what rarity it can drop from. Does it always have to be after three victories, or is one or two enough? Seems like I've only heard of it dropping after three wins to get the top tier coffer.

I think I was quite lucky several friends played many set of games before they got their lead.

As far as I know atm all those I know who have received the lead got it from the purple coffer not the green ones.

Edit:- I never play against other players so I cannot pass comment on those coffers.

Silaf

At least yours is not bugged -__-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/636639/necrom-antiquity-leads-bugged#latest

Hapexamendios

A lead in ToT? That's not welcome.

TaSheen

Hapexamendios wrote: »

A lead in ToT? That's not welcome.

Shouldn't be a surprise. I'm not interested in the music box, so it's not affecting me. But it's iindicative of the progression of this sort of gatekeeping.

ZOS_Hadeostry

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AlienSlof

Looks like I will never finish that one then, I have 0 interest in playing that card game.

ApoAlaia

AlienSlof wrote: »

Looks like I will never finish that one then, I have 0 interest in playing that card game.

I am in two minds about this one.

On the one hand there are people in the guild who play ToT so it is feasible to get some assistance, sharing the match on discord or w/e.

On the other, if the antiquity has a lower completion rate due to this lead maybe they will rethink putting leads in ToT in the future.

Is a crapshoot but I don't really have any actual leverage so...

Taggund

AlienSlof wrote: »

Looks like I will never finish that one then, I have 0 interest in playing that card game.

Same for me.

Necrotech_Master

freespirit wrote: »

I haven't but if it's any consolation it dropped from the NPC dailies for me on my second set!

Display Leads Addon atm only shows ToT reward coffers as the source too.

i was lucky too and got it on my first purple coffer

i have heard people getting it in the green coffers, but the chance is far far lower

if you only play npcs you cant get anything higher than a purple coffer

csontos

What a good idea forcing ppl to content what they realy don't like. By forcing i mean Zos don't even make a chance you gather the lead from other content? Why? Becasue they must feed the pvp players and the other low intrested content lover like TOT.

I swear to god i would rather buy it from crown, than i play TOT.

Event ticket's also this theme. (at least it buyable)

SeaGtGruff

There are many, many other leads which drop from specific content that some players have absolutely no interest in, such as fishing, or dungeons, or world bosses, or trials, or harvesting resource nodes, etc. I mean, I know, right? Why would anyone be against harvesting resource nodes or fishing? Yet there are some players who have absolutely no interest in those activities.

Personally, I think it's a great design plan to have various things in the game interconnected in ways that encourage players to venture outside of their usual sandboxes and try something different for a change.

csontos

Sure forcing pvp player's to harvesting ,and fihsing also bad. But i think there's a different between, go get some flower, and enter a pvp zone where some realy sick person hiding and whispering "fresh meat" to murdered durnig farming the lead.
Get a lead from pve stuff it's need only time, but get a lead from pvp, well i think developers who's the idea never in imperial city before.

I wish i could write "respect the exception" but honestly, PVP was far dead if PVE player's not forced to feed this people.

And for stay at the theme, Lead dropped bigger chance out of TOT higher level reward.

SueGale

Yes, there are other leads behind things people don't like to do. The difference with ToT is the time it takes. To get a purple coffer in the NPCs means winning 3 games and each game can take a long time to finish, depending on the decks the NPC chooses. I've had one that went 45 minutes.

Then, you have to actually win the match. I used to win 75-80% of the time... with the increased difficulty its now more like 45-50%.

Then you have to have good RNG and have the lead actually drop! I spend a couple of hours a day playing ToT and still don't have the grrrrrr lead.

Bad design in my playbook. I'm ready to toss in the towel and stop wasting my time.

And the two in the Bastion Nymic aren't much better.

redspecter23

I'm wondering if anyone has gotten a second copy of this lead yet. I've run the green tier one daily 86 times and over 20 purple tier NPC dailies and haven't received a second copy to complete my second music box yet. I'm just looking for confirmation that it can drop. Anyone seen it?

ApoAlaia

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

There are many, many other leads which drop from specific content that some players have absolutely no interest in, such as fishing, or dungeons, or world bosses, or trials, or harvesting resource nodes, etc. I mean, I know, right? Why would anyone be against harvesting resource nodes or fishing? Yet there are some players who have absolutely no interest in those activities.

Personally, I think it's a great design plan to have various things in the game interconnected in ways that encourage players to venture outside of their usual sandboxes and try something different for a change.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Personally I think that locking the chapter music box reward behind niche and unrelated activities is an unwelcome departure from how previous chapter rewards have worked.

Not to mention that we've gone from either three leads that can 'drop' from a multitude of sources, an 'egg hunt' with fixed and known locations (all within the chapter) or five leads that are either obtainable in common base game locations or within the chapter itself to... ten leads with one obtainable only through a completely unrelated activity tied to a completely different chapter.

I think this is a terrible idea.

As a matter of fact trading scavenge hunts for antiquities, which is also tied to a different chapter, was already a questionable choice at best.

Furthermore due to the dev's behaviour ToT has gone [for me] from being 'something that is not for me but hey, as long some people enjoy it...' to 'wish they would remove it from the game altogether'.

Marcus684

I have negative interest in ToT so I'll be forgoing this antiquity.

I also have no problem with ZOS locking it behind this content. Despite some opinions ot the contrary, I don't see it as any different than locking leads behind group dungeons, fishing, or any other specific activity that some players hate to do but ZOS wants us to try out. I would love to complete every antiquity in the game, and really hope they decide to make this lead available elsewhere at some point, but I've learned to accept that I can't always get what I want.

ApoAlaia

Marcus684 wrote: »

I have negative interest in ToT so I'll be forgoing this antiquity.

I also have no problem with ZOS locking it behind this content. Despite some opinions ot the contrary, I don't see it as any different than locking leads behind group dungeons, fishing, or any other specific activity that some players hate to do but ZOS wants us to try out. I would love to complete every antiquity in the game, and really hope they decide to make this lead available elsewhere at some point, but I've learned to accept that I can't always get what I want.

I have no issue with ToT rewarding ToT related stuff.

I do however take issue with a chapter reward being locked behind ToT.

That 'I can't always get what I want' AFAIC should wors both ways; I see what the devs want us to do, but they too shouldn't be able to always get what they want.

Necrotech_Master

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm wondering if anyone has gotten a second copy of this lead yet. I've run the green tier one daily 86 times and over 20 purple tier NPC dailies and haven't received a second copy to complete my second music box yet. I'm just looking for confirmation that it can drop. Anyone seen it?

i havent gotten a 2nd one yet, but i also dont do the tot daily every day either

i also have a history of my 2nd lead taking significantly longer than my first lol

redspecter23

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm wondering if anyone has gotten a second copy of this lead yet. I've run the green tier one daily 86 times and over 20 purple tier NPC dailies and haven't received a second copy to complete my second music box yet. I'm just looking for confirmation that it can drop. Anyone seen it?

i havent gotten a 2nd one yet, but i also dont do the tot daily every day either

i also have a history of my 2nd lead taking significantly longer than my first lol

I bug reported it the other day and am now at 31 purple coffers in addition to the 86 green coffers without a second drop of that lead. At this point, I hope it's bugged as the alternative is potentially hundreds of dailies for a drop and if that's the intended drop rate, I have many, many questions. The biggest one is "why?"

Necrotech_Master

redspecter23 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm wondering if anyone has gotten a second copy of this lead yet. I've run the green tier one daily 86 times and over 20 purple tier NPC dailies and haven't received a second copy to complete my second music box yet. I'm just looking for confirmation that it can drop. Anyone seen it?

i havent gotten a 2nd one yet, but i also dont do the tot daily every day either

i also have a history of my 2nd lead taking significantly longer than my first lol

I bug reported it the other day and am now at 31 purple coffers in addition to the 86 green coffers without a second drop of that lead. At this point, I hope it's bugged as the alternative is potentially hundreds of dailies for a drop and if that's the intended drop rate, I have many, many questions. The biggest one is "why?"

no idea lol

usually for me the first lead is very quick (i actually got the first of this lead drops in my first purple coffer)

i have a ton of other leads i never got a 2nd drop of yet (one of which im still kind of hoping for is the sea elf galleon helm from dreadsail reef, i got 1 drop very early on, but never seen it again yet, and ive 100% the gear collection in that trial since then, so its not like an insignificant amount of runs lol)

redspecter23

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm wondering if anyone has gotten a second copy of this lead yet. I've run the green tier one daily 86 times and over 20 purple tier NPC dailies and haven't received a second copy to complete my second music box yet. I'm just looking for confirmation that it can drop. Anyone seen it?

i havent gotten a 2nd one yet, but i also dont do the tot daily every day either

i also have a history of my 2nd lead taking significantly longer than my first lol

I bug reported it the other day and am now at 31 purple coffers in addition to the 86 green coffers without a second drop of that lead. At this point, I hope it's bugged as the alternative is potentially hundreds of dailies for a drop and if that's the intended drop rate, I have many, many questions. The biggest one is "why?"

no idea lol

usually for me the first lead is very quick (i actually got the first of this lead drops in my first purple coffer)

i have a ton of other leads i never got a 2nd drop of yet (one of which im still kind of hoping for is the sea elf galleon helm from dreadsail reef, i got 1 drop very early on, but never seen it again yet, and ive 100% the gear collection in that trial since then, so its not like an insignificant amount of runs lol)

I'm seeing similar. I'm down to my final 36 leads for the entire codex and have put significant effort into a second copy of the Sea Elf Galleon Helm. Still nothing. It still feels like second copies of some leads take much more grind to acquire. It's hard to say for sure if it's the case and impossible to know if it's intended if so.

Necrotech_Master

redspecter23 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm wondering if anyone has gotten a second copy of this lead yet. I've run the green tier one daily 86 times and over 20 purple tier NPC dailies and haven't received a second copy to complete my second music box yet. I'm just looking for confirmation that it can drop. Anyone seen it?

i havent gotten a 2nd one yet, but i also dont do the tot daily every day either

i also have a history of my 2nd lead taking significantly longer than my first lol

I bug reported it the other day and am now at 31 purple coffers in addition to the 86 green coffers without a second drop of that lead. At this point, I hope it's bugged as the alternative is potentially hundreds of dailies for a drop and if that's the intended drop rate, I have many, many questions. The biggest one is "why?"

no idea lol

usually for me the first lead is very quick (i actually got the first of this lead drops in my first purple coffer)

i have a ton of other leads i never got a 2nd drop of yet (one of which im still kind of hoping for is the sea elf galleon helm from dreadsail reef, i got 1 drop very early on, but never seen it again yet, and ive 100% the gear collection in that trial since then, so its not like an insignificant amount of runs lol)

I'm seeing similar. I'm down to my final 36 leads for the entire codex and have put significant effort into a second copy of the Sea Elf Galleon Helm. Still nothing. It still feels like second copies of some leads take much more grind to acquire. It's hard to say for sure if it's the case and impossible to know if it's intended if so.

my general experience is:

first lead is pretty quick (usually <10 of whatever the activity is, sometimes as soon as the first try)
second lead takes forever (varies per lead, but always takes significantly longer than the first one, usually by a large magnitude)
third+ lead usually seems slower than the first, but more common than the 2nd

there are some leads though which to be extremely common all the time (such as mythic leads from IC bosses, or the void crystal anomaly from harvesting in coldharbour) while other ones tend to be significantly more rare (font of auri el or the brazier of frozen flame for example)