Arcanist Runic Jolt + Morphs Taunt ability....

ElderSmitter

Hi, everyone!

Been running into this more and more and not sure if it's intentional which I do not think it is. Do this many people in the game creating the Arcanist not know what taunt means? These past few weeks I have been seeing more Arcanist's pulling taunt from me when tanking. Then instantly dying. I am a Templar Tanks and DPS so asking all the Arcanist out there does Runic Jolt and its Morph override my Taunts? Thanks, and Cheers!

Sarannah

Haven't had that issue yet, but I have to say as a tank I absolutely LOVE this new taunt ability!

The last taunt to taunt wins, unless different players keep taunting and overtaunt, then the mob goes wild and can go anywhere.

PS: Don't worry if they steal aggro, if they die they learn quickly. hehe

Trejgon

I would like to note, that jolt at least claims in the tooltip to not taunt if it would invoke taunt immunity, so it should not be possible to overtaunt with it... even if it is annoying for the tank.

ElderSmitter

Trejgon wrote: »

I would like to note, that jolt at least claims in the tooltip to not taunt if it would invoke taunt immunity, so it should not be possible to overtaunt with it... even if it is annoying for the tank.

Taunt Immunity is different than overriding taunt. Taunt Immunity is when you go back and forth 5+ times causing Immunity. I am saying if I have taunt on a boss for instance and someone is using Runic Jolt or it's morph, they are pulling taunt from me then dying by a boss hit then i am having to regain taunt and i wonder if it's because so many new Players are using the Arcanist and do not know what a taunt is because they never have had the ability before. Inner Fire, Puncture and Destructive Touch Taunts our not Class abilities. I do not know about the other Classes besides Templar.

That's all just seeing it more and more.

Tenthirty2

I only slotted (never used) that ability long enough to level that skill line a bit faster so I could purchase one of the non-taunt abilities.
Once I was able to do that I visited the shrine and took my skill points back from Runic Jolt

It's kinda odd to me that it they have it as one of the abilities that unlocks at fairly low levels.
Personally at low levels I reeeeeally don't want to draw the attention of the big bad, quite unhealthy for my squishy butt
So I'd think a better shield ability or AoE would be a preferable early unlock vs a taunt. Unless someone is specifically running a Tankanist build.
I agree with you OP as I don't think it's intentional, I think some just aren't paying attention or don't know what it means.

For example in dragon fights I think I see a lot of that going on, several Arcanists on field and the dragon seems to be switching argo\targets a LOT more than normal. PPL running around like "WhY dRaGoN HaTeS mEh HALP!?!?!?"

Makes for interesting fights if nothing else

ElderSmitter

Tenthirty2 wrote: »

I only slotted (never used) that ability long enough to level that skill line a bit faster so I could purchase one of the non-taunt abilities.
Once I was able to do that I visited the shrine and took my skill points back from Runic Jolt

It's kinda odd to me that it they have it as one of the abilities that unlocks at fairly low levels.
Personally at low levels I reeeeeally don't want to draw the attention of the big bad, quite unhealthy for my squishy butt

I agree with you OP as I don't think it's intentional, I think some just aren't paying attention or don't know what it means.

For example in dragon fights I think I see a lot of that going on, several Arcanists on field and the dragon seems to be switching argo\targets a LOT more than normal. PPL running around like "WhY dRaGoN HaTeS mEh HALP!?!?!?"

Makes for interesting fights if nothing else

tomofhyrule

ElderSmitter88 wrote: »

does Runic Jolt and its Morph override my Taunts? Thanks, and Cheers!

Yes. It is a full taunt.

This issue was raised on PTS, but the design of Arcanist was that it would be able to do all roles without even dipping into weapon/guild/etc. skill lines. As such, it does include a full taunt skill that will override taunts from others.

As such, we tanks are going to have to deal with players stealing taunt from us and then complaining about being oneshot. I've even been in groups where I had to ask if others were running it because they just slotted one of their skills without reading that it was a taunt.

TaSheen

I just can't even bother with this one. I don't taunt ANYTHING for ANY REASON. I never play tanks. Leave taunts to the tanks....

ADarklore

TaSheen wrote: »

I just can't even bother with this one. I don't taunt ANYTHING for ANY REASON. I never play tanks. Leave taunts to the tanks....

Trying to understand your point. Are you saying that Arcanist shouldn't have a class taunt, or that people should be more educated in knowing what a taunt is?

As others have noted, putting the taunt high up on the skill list was a poor design, as it should be towards the last, if not the LAST skill that should be made available.

But I've also noticed a lot of players running dolmens using pull abilities, which is just annoying. It seems like they don't know that slotting a skill levels it, you don't actually have to USE the skill to level it.

Dragonredux

It's old HA frost staff tanking issue again and this was brought up during the PTS so now we have to deal with new players AGAIN stealing aggro from tanks unintentionally.

bongtokin420insd16

"IM NOT STEALING TAUNT!"

Says every dps ever lol

KlauthWarthog

ElderSmitter88 wrote: »

Do this many people in the game creating the Arcanist not know what taunt means?

No, they don't, and the game is not telling them in any way or capacity.

TaSheen

ADarklore wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I just can't even bother with this one. I don't taunt ANYTHING for ANY REASON. I never play tanks. Leave taunts to the tanks....

Trying to understand your point. Are you saying that Arcanist shouldn't have a class taunt, or that people should be more educated in knowing what a taunt is?

As others have noted, putting the taunt high up on the skill list was a poor design, as it should be towards the last, if not the LAST skill that should be made available.

But I've also noticed a lot of players running dolmens using pull abilities, which is just annoying. It seems like they don't know that slotting a skill levels it, you don't actually have to USE the skill to level it.

I'm saying it's not a skill I have any interest in using at all. If others playing arcanist want to use it, that's up to them, especially those who are tanking.

Jack-0

Yeah, even with very experienced guild mates, the first few times we did rnds with our arcanists, I (an actual tank) had to ask them if they were using this ability and did they realise it was a taunt. That’s gonna be a nightmare in pugs.

BasP

Though the tooltip would maybe become too long, it'd be nice if it were changed to something along the lines of "The rune taunts for 15 seconds, causing the enemy to target you, if it would not cause taunt immunity."

Tonturri

The taunt info is kind buried in the tooltip too, I believe. People may not even read that far down and just see 'does damage, heals, applies debuff'. Which, to be fair, is rather nice as a spammable, even if the damage is lackluster. Some sort of more obvious marker would be nice so folks know its a taunt.

ElderSmitter

Jack-0 wrote: »

Yeah, even with very experienced guild mates, the first few times we did rnds with our arcanists, I (an actual tank) had to ask them if they were using this ability and did they realise it was a taunt. That’s gonna be a nightmare in pugs.

Exactly what I ran up against Tanking in Moongrave Fane which is why I posted this. I actually had to look it up because I do not even think the DPS knew they were taunting or was playing stupid with me until Grun kept killing them They were an Arcanist.

ElderSmitter

Tonturri wrote: »

The taunt info is kind buried in the tooltip too, I believe. People may not even read that far down and just see 'does damage, heals, applies debuff'. Which, to be fair, is rather nice as a spammable, even if the damage is lackluster. Some sort of more obvious marker would be nice so folks know its a taunt.

On my DPS when i do Solo content i run Inner Beast (Undaunted) all the time for the 10% unique Damage Buff. When I do dungeons on my DPS I switch back to POTL (Templar) or another ability on my DPS. I totally can see folks not realizing the new Arcanist ability has taunt until someone tells them.

N00BxV1

Tried to bring this up when Necrom first dropped on PC (since I don't use PTS). Everyone just gonna have to find out the hard way...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/635388/has-your-tank-been-having-problems-with-aggro-in-dungeons-since-necrom-this-is-probably-why

DizzyMac

you could solve the issue in less time than it takes to post in here.

when you enter a dungeon and there is an arcanist in the group, just type in group chat "Arcanists please make sure you DO NOT use Runic Jolt or either of its morphs during dungeons" .. its that simple

TaSheen

DizzyMac wrote: »

you could solve the issue in less time than it takes to post in here.

when you enter a dungeon and there is an arcanist in the group, just type "Arcanists please make sure you DO NOT use Runic Jolt or either of its morphs during dungeons" .. its that simple

If they're paying attention....

Trejgon

ElderSmitter88 wrote: »

Trejgon wrote: »

I would like to note, that jolt at least claims in the tooltip to not taunt if it would invoke taunt immunity, so it should not be possible to overtaunt with it... even if it is annoying for the tank.

Taunt Immunity is different than overriding taunt. Taunt Immunity is when you go back and forth 5+ times causing Immunity. I am saying if I have taunt on a boss for instance and someone is using Runic Jolt or it's morph, they are pulling taunt from me then dying by a boss hit then i am having to regain taunt and i wonder if it's because so many new Players are using the Arcanist and do not know what a taunt is because they never have had the ability before. Inner Fire, Puncture and Destructive Touch Taunts our not Class abilities. I do not know about the other Classes besides Templar.

That's all just seeing it more and more.

I did specifically mention "overtaunt" because in my understanding of english language "overtaunt" should mean using too much of a taunt -> invoking taunt immunity. If it community consensus on actual usage of the term is short for taunt overriding, then my bad.

That aside, in terms of players not knowing what jolt does, it is fairly well described in it's tooltip, so if people are spamming it unaware how it works it means, they bought a skill, and are using it without ever reading it's tooltip once, which would be quite low for an mmo player if you ask me.

That being said there is this meme about ESO players being alergic to reading so I guess that could be connected....

DizzyMac wrote: »

you could solve the issue in less time than it takes to post in here.

when you enter a dungeon and there is an arcanist in the group, just type in group chat "Arcanists please make sure you DO NOT use Runic Jolt or either of its morphs during dungeons" .. its that simple

if player have not bothered to read the tooltip of the ability he is using (an established thus far pre-requisite for people not knowing what runic jolt and it's morhps do), what makes you think they would be bothered to read chat?