How is Overload Desync still in the game?
Running into zergs of MagSorcs abusing Overload desync in 2023.
If you can not fix the desync from Overload, redesign the skill. Snipe got redesigned, granted still has a desync, but not nearly as bad. How is Overload still in the game with the same abusable desync.
The lack of response to intentionally desyncing opponents in pvp, is why almost every ball group or zerg intentionally organizes around desyncing their opponents. [snip] if I wanted to play in this kind of lag [snip], Id go back to playing Ark. ZoS, don't be Snail Games.
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Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 3, 2023 4:01PM If you can not fix the desync from Overload, redesign the skill. Snipe got redesigned, granted still has a desync, but not nearly as bad. How is Overload still in the game with the same abusable desync.
The lack of response to intentionally desyncing opponents in pvp, is why almost every ball group or zerg intentionally organizes around desyncing their opponents. [snip] if I wanted to play in this kind of lag [snip], Id go back to playing Ark. ZoS, don't be Snail Games.
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✭✭It is a bit much, but far from the most OP skill out there. I kinda miss it when Overload had a third bar, that was awesome.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info5 -
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✭✭It is a bit much, but far from the most OP skill out there. I kinda miss it when Overload had a third bar, that was awesome.
Very much!
The third bar was to compensate for all the Class skills that need to be slotted on both front and back bar or else they'd disappear or end.
ZOS never gave Sorcerers anything back for taking that third bar away (Sorcerer Skills only btw) and all those skills are still dual slot skills.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?6 -
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✭✭✭Overload doesn't desync any more or any less than any other skill in the game. To claim otherwise is pretty silly. Also Overload travels so slowly that you can quite literally outrun it.
MagSorc's toolkit is barely functional compared to most other classes. If you have all your proper buffs rolling, and with the proper skill, you should be able to shrug it off no problem. One suggestion is to integrate more rolling into your defenses, it is highly effective at avoiding sorc bursts.11 -
acastanza_ESO wrote: »Overload doesn't desync any more or any less than any other skill in the game. To claim otherwise is pretty silly. Also Overload travels so slowly that you can quite literally outrun it.
MagSorc's toolkit is barely functional compared to most other classes. If you have all your proper buffs rolling, and with the proper skill, you should be able to shrug it off no problem. One suggestion is to integrate more rolling into your defenses, it is highly effective at avoiding sorc bursts.
LOL wut? Yes it does. You can't be serious. Im not talking about some random players that light attack from Overload a mile away. There are builds that intentionally leverage the desync caused by Overload to land several GCD's of non delayed damage in the span of one GCD.
Against a proper Overload desync build you can't roll away, because they streak, and all the damage registers at point of stun, then you watch as all the animations finish on your dead body.
Bruh, and you stating a MagSorc's toolkit is barely functional, [snip]
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Azrael001✭✭✭HidesInPlainSight wrote: »Against a proper Overload desync build you can't roll away, because they streak, and all the damage registers at point of stun, then you watch as all the animations finish on your dead body.
That's not desync, that's lining up a burst. Overload has travel time. At a precise distance, you can cast overload and then streak with timing such that the overload hits right after, and cast another overload light attack right on top of the target so they land at the same time. It's a slow moving skill and you really have to streak an enemy or be right on top of them to hit most of the time (assuming that enemy is experienced enough to dodge). Note that overload is applied to light attacks, not a skill so you cast it in the same GCD as a skill (in this case, streak).
If you're dying to that combo on its' own and not as an execute, you need to build more tanky for PvP. A nightblade will be able to take you down far quicker and easier with much less warning. Pariah is a good set if you're just starting out.
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HidesInPlainSight wrote: »Against a proper Overload desync build you can't roll away, because they streak, and all the damage registers at point of stun, then you watch as all the animations finish on your dead body.
That's not desync, that's lining up a burst. Overload has travel time. At a precise distance, you can cast overload and then streak with timing such that the overload hits right after, and cast another overload light attack right on top of the target so they land at the same time. It's a slow moving skill and you really have to streak an enemy or be right on top of them to hit most of the time (assuming that enemy is experienced enough to dodge). Note that overload is applied to light attacks, not a skill so you cast it in the same GCD as a skill (in this case, streak).
If you're dying to that combo on its' own and not as an execute, you need to build more tanky for PvP. A nightblade will be able to take you down far quicker and easier with much less warning. Pariah is a good set if you're just starting out.
Again, it is desync, not lag, not burst damage. It is intentionally activating Overload in a manner to cause a desync between their client, the server, and the opponents client.
The majority of time you experience it with Overload, its not Overload that is actually killing you, but other skills activated at the same time as Overload to desync clients, like eating 8 Dizzy Swings in 1 GCD. Overload is the just means to desync the client, not necessary the actual damage received.
There are plenty of skills in the game that can be abused, and are abused to create desync on demand. A very simple desync that small scale groups do, is activating AoE or CC skills from stealth via crouch or potting and dumping at the same time. That causes the servers extra stress and desyncs opponents clients, so all they see is a death screen with the skills going off after you are already dead. If you want to experience desync consistently fight more DK's, they have had numerous desyncs that have been around for years. They currently have a fairly major positional desync on Petrify, Chains to Petrify, and Leap.
I am not new to pvp, Ive won Legends Dueling Tournaments, Ive won them on a under 300 cp account as a meme, and my personal builds have been the reason game mechanics have been changed multiple times over the years. From permanent immobilize from frost staff in Morrowind, Befoul overhaul, Merciless Charge meta, bowsorcs, and more are all my personal builds leaked from the dueling community.1 -
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✭✭✭If you're going to make these claims, you're going to need to provide evidence. Sorc's offensive toolkit is designed to build a delayed burst. Lining up several skills with countdowns and travel times to deal their damage simultaneously is just literally how the class works, Its not desync.9 -
EnerG✭✭✭✭✭HidesInPlainSight wrote: »HidesInPlainSight wrote: »Against a proper Overload desync build you can't roll away, because they streak, and all the damage registers at point of stun, then you watch as all the animations finish on your dead body.
That's not desync, that's lining up a burst. Overload has travel time. At a precise distance, you can cast overload and then streak with timing such that the overload hits right after, and cast another overload light attack right on top of the target so they land at the same time. It's a slow moving skill and you really have to streak an enemy or be right on top of them to hit most of the time (assuming that enemy is experienced enough to dodge). Note that overload is applied to light attacks, not a skill so you cast it in the same GCD as a skill (in this case, streak).
If you're dying to that combo on its' own and not as an execute, you need to build more tanky for PvP. A nightblade will be able to take you down far quicker and easier with much less warning. Pariah is a good set if you're just starting out.
Again, it is desync, not lag, not burst damage. It is intentionally activating Overload in a manner to cause a desync between their client, the server, and the opponents client.
The majority of time you experience it with Overload, its not Overload that is actually killing you, but other skills activated at the same time as Overload to desync clients, like eating 8 Dizzy Swings in 1 GCD. Overload is the just means to desync the client, not necessary the actual damage received.
There are plenty of skills in the game that can be abused, and are abused to create desync on demand. A very simple desync that small scale groups do, is activating AoE or CC skills from stealth via crouch or potting and dumping at the same time. That causes the servers extra stress and desyncs opponents clients, so all they see is a death screen with the skills going off after you are already dead. If you want to experience desync consistently fight more DK's, they have had numerous desyncs that have been around for years. They currently have a fairly major positional desync on Petrify, Chains to Petrify, and Leap.
I am not new to pvp, Ive won Legends Dueling Tournaments, Ive won them on a under 300 cp account as a meme, and my personal builds have been the reason game mechanics have been changed multiple times over the years. From permanent immobilize from frost staff in Morrowind, Befoul overhaul, Merciless Charge meta, bowsorcs, and more are all my personal builds leaked from the dueling community.
Proofs plox?4 -
seventh_daydreamerSoul ShrivenZerglings making a post .0001 seconds after getting killed by a decent player :10
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✭Every skill/ultimate in the game seems to have desync capability recently. Seems like ever since Scribes of fate patch, the desync has gotten 100x worse than it has ever been. I've been desynced by too many Dragon leaps this patch from players I've literally never seen on my screen.Solo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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Every skill/ultimate in the game seems to have desync capability recently. Seems like ever since Scribes of fate patch, the desync has gotten 100x worse than it has ever been. I've been desynced by too many Dragon leaps this patch from players I've literally never seen on my screen.
Its only going to get worse, Arcanist has some skills that are going to be pretty desync heavy.0 -
seventh_daydreamer wrote: »Zerglings making a post .0001 seconds after getting killed by a decent player :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QShwbE148KE
Ahh yes, I zerg, with all my friends. Heres me zerging in full training gear in No CP IC today.HidesInPlainSight wrote: »HidesInPlainSight wrote: »
Proofs plox?
The last build I shared with few friends in the dueling community, prior to the Hrothgar / Dark Convergence update. We released the Hrothgar builds after the update, because they pushed the patch live without disabling the set due to the bugs. I took about a year and a half break few months after.
I never fully share my personal builds, always leave a little out, so even after the nerfs or overhaul to the mechanics. My builds are still fully viable to this day.0 -
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✭@HidesInPlainSightProofs plox?It sure would be, IF it had substantial proof of it. Otherwise I can't just accept this at face value, cause to me it sounds like he just died to a sorc 1 too many times.
I'm pretty sure that the "proof" request was regarding your topic and especially this:HidesInPlainSight wrote: »The majority of time you experience it with Overload, its not Overload that is actually killing you, but other skills activated at the same time as Overload to desync clients, like eating 8 Dizzy Swings in 1 GCD. Overload is the just means to desync the client, not necessary the actual damage received.
and not your "proof" to whatever you wanna proof with these screenshots....???HidesInPlainSight wrote: »
The last build I shared with few friends in the dueling community, prior to the Hrothgar / Dark Convergence update. We released the Hrothgar builds after the update, because they pushed the patch live without disabling the set due to the bugs. I took about a year and a half break few months after.
Edited by Zabagad on June 6, 2023 5:20AMPC EU (noCP AD) Grey/Grau AD
Please raise the population caps.
@ZOS - Convert the heal on "Hardened Ward" into a HoT pls.0 -
HidesInPlainSight wrote: »HidesInPlainSight wrote: »Against a proper Overload desync build you can't roll away, because they streak, and all the damage registers at point of stun, then you watch as all the animations finish on your dead body.
That's not desync, that's lining up a burst. Overload has travel time. At a precise distance, you can cast overload and then streak with timing such that the overload hits right after, and cast another overload light attack right on top of the target so they land at the same time. It's a slow moving skill and you really have to streak an enemy or be right on top of them to hit most of the time (assuming that enemy is experienced enough to dodge). Note that overload is applied to light attacks, not a@HidesInPlainSightProofs plox?It sure would be, IF it had substantial proof of it. Otherwise I can't just accept this at face value, cause to me it sounds like he just died to a sorc 1 too many times.
I'm pretty sure that the "proof" request was regarding your topic and especially this:HidesInPlainSight wrote: »The majority of time you experience it with Overload, its not Overload that is actually killing you, but other skills activated at the same time as Overload to desync clients, like eating 8 Dizzy Swings in 1 GCD. Overload is the just means to desync the client, not necessary the actual damage received.
and not your "proof" to whatever you wanna proof with these screenshots....???HidesInPlainSight wrote: »
The last build I shared with few friends in the dueling community, prior to the Hrothgar / Dark Convergence update. We released the Hrothgar builds after the update, because they pushed the patch live without disabling the set due to the bugs. I took about a year and a half break few months after.
Next time it happens I'll clip it. Its very similar to the original clip I posted in at top of one my other threads. Its a Streak / Overload activation into several GCD of non delayed skills that all go off after you are already dead. Usually Force Pulses or Clenches. But you can do it with other skills as well. Works very similar to melee heavy attack from ranged into gap closer which will register the heavy attack landing, despite it being out of range.
Arcanist animations and skills are going to have a bunch of desync issues as well, as a large portion of them are reused animations / mechanics of other classes / weapons. Like barswap canceling Charm animation, into AOE heal, and immobilize. Works like a reverse fear desync on a magblade. Which is also works similar to fear desync on Fighter guild fear rune skill.Edited by HidesInPlainSight on June 6, 2023 1:47PM0 -
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✭✭Are they paired with a DK? Because there was a bug with DK leaping out of mist form that would desync their targets and was supposed to be fixed this patch0 -
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✭They cant fix the combat bug and are making it a feature at this point, asking them to fix overload bug, is asking a lot.0 -
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✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »If you're going to make these claims, you're going to need to provide evidence. Sorc's offensive toolkit is designed to build a delayed burst. Lining up several skills with countdowns and travel times to deal their damage simultaneously is just literally how the class works, Its not desync.
They would be banned for naming and shaming. You cannot post proof here without using a program to blur out the names. [snip]
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✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »If you're going to make these claims, you're going to need to provide evidence. Sorc's offensive toolkit is designed to build a delayed burst. Lining up several skills with countdowns and travel times to deal their damage simultaneously is just literally how the class works, Its not desync.
They would be banned for naming and shaming. You cannot post proof here without using a program to blur out the names. [snip]
Nonsense. You absolutely can show evidence of desync occurring in a reasonable video recording. Blurring names is trivial, and its also totally reasonable to show combat bugs in the context of an intentional duel. To call it inherently baiting to ask for proof is absolutely ridiculous.
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acastanza_ESO wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »If you're going to make these claims, you're going to need to provide evidence. Sorc's offensive toolkit is designed to build a delayed burst. Lining up several skills with countdowns and travel times to deal their damage simultaneously is just literally how the class works, Its not desync.
They would be banned for naming and shaming. You cannot post proof here without using a program to blur out the names. [snip]
Nonsense. You absolutely can show evidence of desync occurring in a reasonable video recording. Blurring names is trivial, and its also totally reasonable to show combat bugs in the context of an intentional duel. To call it inherently baiting to ask for proof is absolutely ridiculous.
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When it comes to ZoS never, underestimate what they will ban for. Just ask your guildmates about their bans.
There is a reason I no longer report bugs I find.0
