I can't find the buffs for nightblades in 9.0.4 patch note ..

Eliran

So nightblades got nerfed to the ground (stamblades especially) on Necrom for absolute no reason while underperforming, 10% damage to the exact.

Now I naturally thought, ok maybe they have a point so they just want to change it so we get the effect from a different ability, but seems like ZoS completely forgot about it and left us 100% broken so here I am to remind you to fix Nightblades before this mass go live and make tons of us simply quit.

Because as of right now, you made us 100% useless by underperforming all the other DD classes, again for absolute no reason and while buffing those who already perform too good.

And I repeat, nightblades already underperform, there is 100% no reason whatsoever for you to nerf us, if anything you should've buffed.

YandereGirlfriend

Here is a pro tip for you: consider having a leveled-up version of more than one class. It really does NOT take very long with all the login rewards XP scrolls, etc.

That way you are better positioned to deal with swings in the meta.

TybaltKaine

There are some people who only have one character, and are, thanks to some archaic policy regarding class change tokens, locked into a specific class. Those are edge cases, but they do exist. Telling someone to just switch classes or play another character isn't always helpful.

acastanza_ESO

Nightblade is one of the strongest classes in the game. It isn't even ambiguous. #1 DK, #2 tied Warden and NB.

WoppaBoem

Nightblade is insanely strong in pvp, usually the strong pvp class is not great in pve and vica versa. It will come around just not now.

emilyhyoyeon

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Nightblade is one of the strongest classes in the game. It isn't even ambiguous. #1 DK, #2 tied Warden and NB.

PVE

emilyhyoyeon

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Nightblade is insanely strong in pvp, usually the strong pvp class is not great in pve and vica versa. It will come around just not now.

meta trial comps have consisted of like 7+ DK dds with a DK tank for over a year now. Check esologs. Only exception is vAS, for obvious reasons

YandereGirlfriend

TybaltKaine wrote: »

There are some people who only have one character, and are, thanks to some archaic policy regarding class change tokens, locked into a specific class. Those are edge cases, but they do exist. Telling someone to just switch classes or play another character isn't always helpful.

Of course, but those are self-imposed limitations at this point (due to global achievements). Everyone has multiple character slots for free, so paying money isn't even a viable argument against it.

If someone only plays one class and they don't like the situation of that class, they can either:

1. Be angry about it while hate-playing their main

2. Try another class until patch notes smile upon their main again

I know which one that I would do. Life is too short to hate-play anything, especially as recreation.

And playing on other classes tends to make one a better player with a more fully formed understanding of the game. But everyone's mileage will vary, I suppose.

Amerises

To have a class you enjoy get nerf’d, sucks. People saying “get over it,” aren’t really sensitive to what it feels like to have something you’ve fallen in love with be taken away. I mained a Templar for several years, and the nerf’d have been devastating.

Stamblades got hit double due to the stealth nerf as well, as they likely cannot sustain perma-invisibility. They did increase the damage bonus from incap though by 1/3 longer, so that’s not nothing. In fact, PvE or PvP, that’s a large amount of dps increase. PvE-wise, you still could add concealed into your rotation and be okay 🤷🏻‍♂️

Personally, I don’t feel the changes are “class-breaking,” but they do suck

YandereGirlfriend

Amerises wrote: »

People saying “get over it,” aren’t really sensitive to what it feels like to have something you’ve fallen in love with be taken away.

Sure they are.

Anyone who has played this game for a non-trivial amount of time knows exactly what this feels like. It is basically a rite of passage. There's a reason why that "First time?" meme at the gallows shows up after every Week 1 PTS Notes gets posted. In any given patch someone is getting nerfed and they're getting nerfed hard.

However, it's like any other disappointment in life, you learn from it and you move on. Otherwise, you just stay salty and who has time for that?

merpins

pvp, nightblade is super strong. pve, nightblade has been pretty weak for years unless you want to get carpal tunnel trying to play it, and even then it's mediocre.

But there aren't going to be many, if any, balance changes to classes other than Arcanist this coming patch because it's Arcanist's patch. They've already stated that they're focusing on Arcanist for this patch. So complaining that there aren't any buffs to your favorite class when it's already been explained that there won't be any major buffs or nerfs to any class other than Arcanist this coming patch, other than what was already in the works, isn't going to suddenly have the devs implementing changes.

I'd expect them in Q3 for all classes, and if they don't show up then, it's kind of concerning then. But I wouldn't expect anything game changing unless they suddenly decide to start balancing pve and pvp separately.

WrathOfInnos

Maybe they're invisible.

Weckless

I don't understand why you don't just play a hybrid nb if stam is doing that bad. I dont think you'd even be able to tell the difference playstyle wise. To me it sounds more like unwillingness to adapt and that's not an issue you can find a solution for on the forums.

NyassaV

Weckless wrote: »

I don't understand why you don't just play a hybrid nb if stam is doing that bad. I dont think you'd even be able to tell the difference playstyle wise. To me it sounds more like unwillingness to adapt and that's not an issue you can find a solution for on the forums.

I have a magblade and a Stamblade. I main magblade and use a few stam skills as needed.

One day I decide I wanna play my stamblade cuz she is a Bosmer and Bosmer are cool. However with how it is currently Stamblade is in a weird spot, you're either a ganker or you're basically a magblade cuz magblade is better.

I'm not the only one out there with a Bosmer Stamblade, it's a popular combo. But with the hybrid changes, the combo lacks effectiveness as well as a bit of identity.

Zastrix

Weckless wrote: »

I don't understand why you don't just play a hybrid nb if stam is doing that bad. I dont think you'd even be able to tell the difference playstyle wise. To me it sounds more like unwillingness to adapt and that's not an issue you can find a solution for on the forums.

Basically you can't really play hybrid stamblade in PvE as of now? You need to max out on stamina and due to the cost of having to cast the skill, even with 2 light armor pieces I can not have enough magicka regen with being full stamina with a cw + shade + magicka dot + path (shade, magicka dot and path are the strongest DOTs a blade can have), and that's on a 21m health dummy, in real content I won't have magicka within seconds. Saying "add more magicka don't max out stamina" won't help as in PvE you need to max out a single stat pool otherwise it's a MASSIVE DPS LOSS.

Edit: And magblades play VASTLY differently than stamblades. Sure on a parse maybe they're similar but that's only a parse. When you have to change sets for trash and different types of bosses the difference is really big.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

There are some people who only have one character, and are, thanks to some archaic policy regarding class change tokens, locked into a specific class. Those are edge cases, but they do exist. Telling someone to just switch classes or play another character isn't always helpful.

^, only play as a nightblade as everything else is meh. I've tried every class but only nightblades suit me

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Maybe they're invisible.

Not with the changes they're not xD

Just moving the 10% damage increase to the base skill, keeping SA as it is and maybe altering CW would be oke? That's literally the only thing which needs to be done.

birdik

merpins wrote: »

pvp, nightblade is super strong. pve, nightblade has been pretty weak for years unless you want to get carpal tunnel trying to play it, and even then it's mediocre.

But there aren't going to be many, if any, balance changes to classes other than Arcanist this coming patch because it's Arcanist's patch. They've already stated that they're focusing on Arcanist for this patch. So complaining that there aren't any buffs to your favorite class when it's already been explained that there won't be any major buffs or nerfs to any class other than Arcanist this coming patch, other than what was already in the works, isn't going to suddenly have the devs implementing changes.

I'd expect them in Q3 for all classes, and if they don't show up then, it's kind of concerning then. But I wouldn't expect anything game changing unless they suddenly decide to start balancing pve and pvp separately.

it s not super strong: it easily conter by pressing block and healing, no delayed burst, no ublockable/dodgeble
no good cc, no good aoe, no good dots

Mayrael

NB is not super strong it's good, it has nice stats sheet but it lacks diversity. Avoiding average NB burst is braindead easy. But... As a NB main I don't think NB needs significant buffs, it needs just slight adjustments here and there, some tweaks to improve skills reliability and make rotations a bit more easy.

Also that change to concealed is pretty bad when it goes to stamblade, it shouldn't require to use this skill since there is already another requirement of major expedition which is not granted for free it requires casting other skills or using roll dodge with bow.

StarOfElyon

TybaltKaine wrote: »

There are some people who only have one character, and are, thanks to some archaic policy regarding class change tokens, locked into a specific class. Those are edge cases, but they do exist. Telling someone to just switch classes or play another character isn't always helpful.

I'm trying to imagine only having one character. How is that even possible unless you haven't been playing for more than a year.

kalunte

it is possible ^^ been playing since 2014 only one same bowblade ^^

Zastrix

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I'm trying to imagine only having one character. How is that even possible unless you haven't been playing for more than a year.

I had a single character all throughout 2016-2018, then I stopped playing, and now a single nightblade character from 2020 to 2023. I have some other characters, sure, but i never play them. They're mostly meme characters with silly names which I log into to mess around with friends.

Edit: Kekw just move the 10% buff to the stamina spammable and literally this whole thread can be closed as it's the perfect thing to do.

birdik

BTW, Arcanist have few skills which cost depends on max resource, It is REALLY easy to make Veiled strike and morphs like that

Zastrix

birdik wrote: »

BTW, Arcanist have few skills which cost depends on max resource, It is REALLY easy to make Veiled strike and morphs like that

it's not only the cost which is the issue but the gameplay is as well. The wrecking blow alteration with the magicka nightblade spammable just feels wrong on a stamblade even when it was passive (hence why I didn't use it). Literally moving the passive to the base skill will fix the issue on both ends.

Weckless

NyassaV wrote: »

Weckless wrote: »

I don't understand why you don't just play a hybrid nb if stam is doing that bad. I dont think you'd even be able to tell the difference playstyle wise. To me it sounds more like unwillingness to adapt and that's not an issue you can find a solution for on the forums.

I have a magblade and a Stamblade. I main magblade and use a few stam skills as needed.

One day I decide I wanna play my stamblade cuz she is a Bosmer and Bosmer are cool. However with how it is currently Stamblade is in a weird spot, you're either a ganker or you're basically a magblade cuz magblade is better.

I'm not the only one out there with a Bosmer Stamblade, it's a popular combo. But with the hybrid changes, the combo lacks effectiveness as well as a bit of identity.

I used to be a bosmer nb as well but i swapped to dunmer so i could play both. I do miss my little wood elf though. I'm pretty sure they are talking about pve though

Weckless

Zastrix wrote: »

Weckless wrote: »

I don't understand why you don't just play a hybrid nb if stam is doing that bad. I dont think you'd even be able to tell the difference playstyle wise. To me it sounds more like unwillingness to adapt and that's not an issue you can find a solution for on the forums.

Basically you can't really play hybrid stamblade in PvE as of now? You need to max out on stamina and due to the cost of having to cast the skill, even with 2 light armor pieces I can not have enough magicka regen with being full stamina with a cw + shade + magicka dot + path (shade, magicka dot and path are the strongest DOTs a blade can have), and that's on a 21m health dummy, in real content I won't have magicka within seconds. Saying "add more magicka don't max out stamina" won't help as in PvE you need to max out a single stat pool otherwise it's a MASSIVE DPS LOSS.

Edit: And magblades play VASTLY differently than stamblades. Sure on a parse maybe they're similar but that's only a parse. When you have to change sets for trash and different types of bosses the difference is really big.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

There are some people who only have one character, and are, thanks to some archaic policy regarding class change tokens, locked into a specific class. Those are edge cases, but they do exist. Telling someone to just switch classes or play another character isn't always helpful.

^, only play as a nightblade as everything else is meh. I've tried every class but only nightblades suit me

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Maybe they're invisible.

Not with the changes they're not xD

Just moving the 10% damage increase to the base skill, keeping SA as it is and maybe altering CW would be oke? That's literally the only thing which needs to be done.

I don't mean hybrid as in mixing attributes. Basicslly you'd most likely put your points in magicka, and use dw with concealed and if you wanted use vma bow/2h or brp dw back bar. Ive done it with brp dw and vma staff back bar with dw front bar and it works well

Braffin

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Nightblade is insanely strong in pvp, usually the strong pvp class is not great in pve and vica versa. It will come around just not now.

meta trial comps have consisted of like 7+ DK dds with a DK tank for over a year now. Check esologs. Only exception is vAS, for obvious reasons

Sure, you are right. But if you participate in meta trial comps (especially) as dd you should know, that playing a single class is just not sufficient to do so. You have to be as flexible with classes as you have to be with gear. Ever been this way.

DK meta is here for quite a while now, as you say for yourself. Will be funny when finally the nerf notes will arrive.

Zastrix

Weckless wrote: »

I don't mean hybrid as in mixing attributes. Basicslly you'd most likely put your points in magicka, and use dw with concealed and if you wanted use vma bow/2h or brp dw back bar. Ive done it with brp dw and vma staff back bar with dw front bar and it works well

So then you're essentially saying to not play as a stamblade? A TL;DR of your comments would be:

> Stamblades need a buff as they're underperforming
> Just play magblade bro

Thanks but no thanks. Magblades are just super meh and I can't use rushing agony well w/ 'em in PvE content. I'm happy with the skills I have as a stamblade, just need the darn passives so I'm on similar grounds as other classes.

Zastrix

merpins wrote: »

So complaining that there aren't any buffs to your favorite class when it's already been explained that there won't be any major buffs or nerfs to any class other than Arcanist this coming patch,

Meanwhile NBs got a nerf by a change in mechs.

Jaimeh

I'm with you OP, I love playing my stamblade DD but the damage has been in the 'ok-ish but meh compared to other specs' territory for far too long now (while DK for eg., has been reigning supreme, completely untouched). I don't understand why zos hasn't found a way to give stamNBs a much needed buff without compromising pve/pvp balance, they've shown that they are able to have certain things being active only in one mode, and they could have done the same with surprise attack, ie., give it a buff that's active only on pve environments.

kojou

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Amerises wrote: »

People saying “get over it,” aren’t really sensitive to what it feels like to have something you’ve fallen in love with be taken away.

Sure they are.

Anyone who has played this game for a non-trivial amount of time knows exactly what this feels like. It is basically a rite of passage. There's a reason why that "First time?" meme at the gallows shows up after every Week 1 PTS Notes gets posted. In any given patch someone is getting nerfed and they're getting nerfed hard.

However, it's like any other disappointment in life, you learn from it and you move on. Otherwise, you just stay salty and who has time for that?

I started playing ESO when the game when live as a Bosmer Nightblade Archer... The level of frustration I caused myself by not being flexible was immeasurable given that bow builds have never really been "meta". I mean sure we all had the Maelstrom bow on our back bar in PvE, and there was a time when snipers were having good times in PvP, but it was always a fringe play style.

Fast forward to now, and I have 18 characters slots representing 3 characters for each class all at max level and ready for me to switch to, should the nerf hammer hit my current favorite class mercilessly. It all started with me deciding to try something different, because what I wanted to do wasn't working. With the exception of Necromancer (I have never been able to really enjoy that class) all the classes have something I like about them and I can generally switch back and forth whenever I feel like it.

So while it sucks to not be able to play quite the way you think you want to, all classes have something fun to offer and I suggest that everyone gives the others a chance. You might (like me) discover a new play style that you like even better than what you like like about Nightblade now.

Galiferno

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Nightblade is one of the strongest classes in the game. It isn't even ambiguous. #1 DK, #2 tied Warden and NB.

Is there some kind of unspoken rule that PVPers must assume people only talk about the PVP side of things even when the topic is clearly about PVE?

Weckless

Zastrix wrote: »

Weckless wrote: »

I don't mean hybrid as in mixing attributes. Basicslly you'd most likely put your points in magicka, and use dw with concealed and if you wanted use vma bow/2h or brp dw back bar. Ive done it with brp dw and vma staff back bar with dw front bar and it works well

So then you're essentially saying to not play as a stamblade? A TL;DR of your comments would be:

> Stamblades need a buff as they're underperforming
> Just play magblade bro

Thanks but no thanks. Magblades are just super meh and I can't use rushing agony well w/ 'em in PvE content. I'm happy with the skills I have as a stamblade, just need the darn passives so I'm on similar grounds as other classes.

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. If you aren't getting what you want and you believe you're underperforming then just play the spec that is literally no different playstyle wise. If you saw a melee magblade and a stamblade parsing next to eachother you literally couldn't tell the difference if they used a similiar build. Theres no reason you cant use rush of agony on magblade. Vma 2h with stampede is already used on tons of builds and procs rush of agony