Heavy attack has an insane bug in pvp content.

BalDing710

Yeah, same happened to me. The death recap was 37k trifocus from a lightning staff ha....fun stuff.

spartaxoxo

The event means lots of people trying to jump you. I was killing boss, a red group tried to taunt and run away with it, and a bunch dropped dead pretty quickly. The ones left tried to move it away but I was pretty close to getting kill credit regardless. So my choices were to just let them steal it or hope the ones that lived were tanky enough they wouldn't die just because I was attacking the boss to get kill credit.

I still attacked it and thankfully they were tanky enough but it shouldn't have been a dilemma. Kill the boss that an enemy is trying to flee with is legitimate gameplay.

I tried going in there on the toons not using one but they aren't built remotely as well and died constantly.

They need to fix this ASAP for both the people getting killed and the lightning staff users that just want to play the game and aren't trying to exploit anything on purpose.

Sylosi

Doesn't really matter, it's just one of many current exploits. Such as how people found a different way to do the infused jewellery exploit, then there is a proc on a certain weapon that let's people ignore armour, also there is a way to desync health using a certain skill, another exploit involving a certain consumable item and so on.

Dalsinthus

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They need to fix this ASAP for both the people getting killed and the lightning staff users that just want to play the game and aren't trying to exploit anything on purpose.

100% agree. During this event it's pretty obvious who is trying to farm bosses and just play in IC vs. who is trying to exploit this to get instant player kills. The exploiters are ruining it for others.

jaws343

Dalsinthus wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They need to fix this ASAP for both the people getting killed and the lightning staff users that just want to play the game and aren't trying to exploit anything on purpose.

100% agree. During this event it's pretty obvious who is trying to farm bosses and just play in IC vs. who is trying to exploit this to get instant player kills. The exploiters are ruining it for others.

I personally run a specific route to farm bosses. I also will attack any opposing players in that route, and sometimes that means hitting the monsters in the way first to get to the players. Sometimes that even means chasing the player down to ensure the kill before continuing to farm bosses (to prevent them coming back and surprising me).

I refuse to let this mechanic interaction force me to not use my heavy attack setup in the sewers. And since I am farming specifically in my alliance's first two sewer locations, the option for opposing players to not throw themselves into a potential meat grinder in enemy sewer territory is always an option.

Turtle_Bot

It's not specifically a bug (something that is not working as programmed) since heavy attacks and the tri-focus passive are working exactly how they were programmed into the game. However it is definitely an oversight of an unintended consequence from when they made all the changes to heavy attack sets and the empower buff back in U35 that needs to be fixed.


In saying that, I do hope it gets fixed soon.


Maybe make tri-focus only deal its full damage to monsters and it only deals 1/2 or 1/4 damage to other players, or make it so it doesn't ignore other players mitigation values when dealing that splash damage?
That way its not completely dead in PvP, but it won't be able to 1 shot anymore since, based on the numbers people have given here, it would cap out at like 18k (if its at 50%, about the same as a high end burst skill/2GCD burst combo) or 9k (if its at 25%, about the same as a hard hitting spammable or 1GCD burst ability), which is quite reasonable considering the 2 second channel time to achieve that damage value.

Naftal

They could just make it so the aoe doesn't deal damage to players.

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

It's not specifically a bug (something that is not working as programmed) since heavy attacks and the tri-focus passive are working exactly how they were programmed into the game. However it is definitely an oversight of an unintended consequence from when they made all the changes to heavy attack sets and the empower buff back in U35 that needs to be fixed.


In saying that, I do hope it gets fixed soon.


Maybe make tri-focus only deal its full damage to monsters and it only deals 1/2 or 1/4 damage to other players, or make it so it doesn't ignore other players mitigation values when dealing that splash damage?
That way its not completely dead in PvP, but it won't be able to 1 shot anymore since, based on the numbers people have given here, it would cap out at like 18k (if its at 50%, about the same as a high end burst skill/2GCD burst combo) or 9k (if its at 25%, about the same as a hard hitting spammable or 1GCD burst ability), which is quite reasonable considering the 2 second channel time to achieve that damage value.

All code works exactly as it's programmed. Bugs are unintended consequences.

They should either just make battle spirit activate all heavy attack nerfs for both pve and pvp enemies or just make the tri focus aoe not be able to damage players at all.

Rogue_WolfESO

The best part of Tri Focus is it doesn't matter if your toon is squishy or tanky. You're equally dead. If it's OK to have a class that kills in 1 second from invisibility then it's OK to counter that class with a HA splash

NordSwordnBoard

"The crows to peck the eagles."

SandandStars

Does it seem that new bugs or “oversites” that compromise the quality of gameplay are being introduced faster than they are being fixed?

Naftal

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

The best part of Tri Focus is it doesn't matter if your toon is squishy or tanky. You're equally dead. If it's OK to have a class that kills in 1 second from invisibility then it's OK to counter that class with a HA splash

Gankers can't kill anything but the squishy players in one second.

This bug also doesn't counter gankers in any way.

ProudMary

Every mag toon in PvP is switching to heavy attacks with lighting staves now because of this bug.

ZOS really, really needs to prioritize a fix for this bug. Players need to use the in game bug reports option to report this bug daily until it gets fixed.

Everyone is abusing this bug. You could even say they are "exploiting" this bug. But so many people are doing it ZOS needs to just step up and fix this bug with the next patch or a hotfix ASAP.

nemesrichard

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

Stop calling for HA nerf please and thank you

This is not a nerf to heavy attacks. This is fixing what shouldn't be happening.
The bug is coming from Empower which is only supposed to work in PVE(against monsters) and not PVP(against players). But Tri-focus is causing an interaction where PVE damage is transferring onto players(lightning staff 100% damage done passive), and ignoring the battle spirit separation for PVP.

Empower should not be buffing lightning staff heavy attacks(because it's a monster only buff), but tri-focus is making it happen. It's a clear oversight by the devs, that needs to be fixed.

Yes, empower is not supposed to work against players in pvp in IC but one single DK running about in circles among 30+ enemy players oneshooting anybody in their path without even losing significant health is all right ....

UnabashedlyHonest

This bug is wreaking havoc in PvP, no doubt about it.

SickleCider

Heelie wrote: »

Tri focus passive is bugged, why I got out of my way to kill anyone with a lightning staff in IC at the moment, I don't care that they're just there for a daily quest or something, holding a lightning staff in IC at the moment is KOS.

This explains the absolute dedication people had about killing my sorc the other day. 🤣 I didn't even know about the bug, and I was just questing, and I was like, "Wow people be bloodthirsty."

SimonThesis

This bug is happening frequently in IC, heavy attack a boss with a lightning staff and a specific build and do 30k+ aoe damage from the splash bug ignoring battle spirit. Very easily wiping out entire groups around bosses due to an exploit.

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Are yall aware of this bug? Is this considered a reportable exploit?

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

Can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet.

ZOS_Volpe

Hello,

We've gone ahead and moved this thread to a category we think is more suitable for this topic, Bug Reports.

Thanks for your understanding.

SimonThesis

@ZOS_Volpe Is the team aware of this bug? Is this considered a reportable exploit? What is the teams status towards fixing this bug?

davidtk

SimonThesis wrote: »

@ZOS_Volpe Is the team aware of this bug? Is this considered a reportable exploit? What is the teams status towards fixing this bug?

So, when some PVE player comes to IC who has HA sorc build and doesn't know about the bug because he's not on the forum 24/7. You'll be in IC too, and you'll be trying to kill him and accidentally get killed by his Tri-Focus, so you report him for something he doesn't even know exists?
Tell me the secret of how you know a person who uses the HA build on purpose and a random pve player who just came to do a quest and has no desire to kill anyone.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They need to fix this ASAP for both the people getting killed and the lightning staff users that just want to play the game and aren't trying to exploit anything on purpose.

Agree, cuz I know several ppl who just don't know about this bug and because PvP event they just want to get tickets and because they have HA sorc and they are automatically considered as an exploiters?

thedoodle_90

Easy fix is have trifocus be effected by battlespirit. If it double dips from main person also being effected oh well. You still hit the main person.

Alienoutlaw

yet another nerf this thread.
has anyone ever thought that their build maybe the issue? if your running round with 20k health and even less resistances a gentle breeze will one shot you in PVP, most PVP players are running 30k+ health and pushing 35k resistances when buffed and thats not even the "tanky" players, we spend hourss theory crafting the "perfect build" to do kill enemies faster, i find it very odd that tri-focus would even show up on a recap with no other skills not even the heavy attack, as to the screenshot posted i would say it is deffinately a build issue to have taken that much damage in the 1st place.

Naftal

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

yet another nerf this thread.
has anyone ever thought that their build maybe the issue? if your running round with 20k health and even less resistances a gentle breeze will one shot you in PVP, most PVP players are running 30k+ health and pushing 35k resistances when buffed and thats not even the "tanky" players, we spend hourss theory crafting the "perfect build" to do kill enemies faster, i find it very odd that tri-focus would even show up on a recap with no other skills not even the heavy attack, as to the screenshot posted i would say it is deffinately a build issue to have taken that much damage in the 1st place.

You don't know what you are talking about. This is about targeting a pve enemy in pvp areas and dealing full unmitigated damage to all players within range. This is a bug that kills people with 40k+ hp within a second.

Alienoutlaw

Naftal wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

yet another nerf this thread.
has anyone ever thought that their build maybe the issue? if your running round with 20k health and even less resistances a gentle breeze will one shot you in PVP, most PVP players are running 30k+ health and pushing 35k resistances when buffed and thats not even the "tanky" players, we spend hourss theory crafting the "perfect build" to do kill enemies faster, i find it very odd that tri-focus would even show up on a recap with no other skills not even the heavy attack, as to the screenshot posted i would say it is deffinately a build issue to have taken that much damage in the 1st place.

You don't know what you are talking about. This is about targeting a pve enemy in pvp areas and dealing full unmitigated damage to all players within range. This is a bug that kills people with 40k+ hp within a second.

an enemy is an enemy, and IC is a PVEPVP zone not a PVP zone, tri-focus works as intended

Bashev

I beg ZoS to fix tri focus passive for so long back in the days because it was double reduced by battle spirit. Now we have this.

I think it will be way better and interesting if all the damage is recued in IC, then the mobs will be challenging and more fun.

StarOfElyon

endgamesmug wrote: »

Is it possible to just avoid being around mobs getting heavied?

Don't exploit.

CameraBeardThePirate

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Naftal wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

yet another nerf this thread.
has anyone ever thought that their build maybe the issue? if your running round with 20k health and even less resistances a gentle breeze will one shot you in PVP, most PVP players are running 30k+ health and pushing 35k resistances when buffed and thats not even the "tanky" players, we spend hourss theory crafting the "perfect build" to do kill enemies faster, i find it very odd that tri-focus would even show up on a recap with no other skills not even the heavy attack, as to the screenshot posted i would say it is deffinately a build issue to have taken that much damage in the 1st place.

You don't know what you are talking about. This is about targeting a pve enemy in pvp areas and dealing full unmitigated damage to all players within range. This is a bug that kills people with 40k+ hp within a second.

an enemy is an enemy, and IC is a PVEPVP zone not a PVP zone, tri-focus works as intended

It does not work as intended. The damage completely bypasses battle spirit, and allows players to be hit by modifiers such as Empower that are only supposed to affect mobs. No matter what way you phrase it, that is a bug.

Naftal

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Naftal wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

yet another nerf this thread.
has anyone ever thought that their build maybe the issue? if your running round with 20k health and even less resistances a gentle breeze will one shot you in PVP, most PVP players are running 30k+ health and pushing 35k resistances when buffed and thats not even the "tanky" players, we spend hourss theory crafting the "perfect build" to do kill enemies faster, i find it very odd that tri-focus would even show up on a recap with no other skills not even the heavy attack, as to the screenshot posted i would say it is deffinately a build issue to have taken that much damage in the 1st place.

You don't know what you are talking about. This is about targeting a pve enemy in pvp areas and dealing full unmitigated damage to all players within range. This is a bug that kills people with 40k+ hp within a second.

an enemy is an enemy, and IC is a PVEPVP zone not a PVP zone, tri-focus works as intended

It's not affected by battle spirit. It is not working as intended.

marius_buys

Sooo,
Lightnings staff HA MOBS NEAR PLAYERS on your Oakensoul build - check
Plagebreak attack PLAYERS NEAR MOBS - check

Four_Fingers

Don't worry after the event IC will be empty again.