Fatecarver Shield and Sorc Shield comparison! (Same build)

Mr_Jord_Joe · May 2023

I saw some images, of the arcanist's shield reaching 20k, and people complaining about the sorc's shield, so I decided to test it for myself, and see the difference between the two and the two classes with the same set, the results in numbers were.

Thecompton73 · May 2023

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

Mr_Jord_Joe · May 2023

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Thecompton73 · May 2023

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Seems like since you've already got this set up it would be easier for you to go swap the jewelry enchants and traits for wd/sd and infused and see what that does to the tooltips of each.

Mr_Jord_Joe · May 2023

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Seems like since you've already got this set up it would be easier for you to go swap the jewelry enchants and traits for wd/sd and infused and see what that does to the tooltips of each.

I changed it to julianos set and changed the jewels to infused!

The sorc's shield decreased a little, however the arcanist's shield was almost the same...

I was intrigued how the arcanist's shield really scales...

(Maybe I'll test more later when I have time.)

YandereGirlfriend · May 2023

Put Spell Damage enchantments on the jewelry pieces and use something other than Bright-Throat's for your second set.

Tannus15 · May 2023

this is very close to being helpful but for some reason you're declining to show the actual stats.

any chance we could get max health and mag as well as spell damage?

Zabagad · May 2023

1) I don't care which shield is bigger, but I always like comparisons when they are fair.

2) To be halfway fair, I think it is at least necessary to use major sorcery, because spell damage can be increased by many things, while max magicka can be increased only very rarely.

Ecgberht_confused · May 2023

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Seems like since you've already got this set up it would be easier for you to go swap the jewelry enchants and traits for wd/sd and infused and see what that does to the tooltips of each.

I changed it to julianos set and changed the jewels to infused!

The sorc's shield decreased a little, however the arcanist's shield was almost the same...

I was intrigued how the arcanist's shield really scales...

(Maybe I'll test more later when I have time.)

What's the point of changing jewelry to infused if the jewels enchants are still not W/S damage? That was the whole point. If the Fatecarver shield scales with W/S damage then this is what makes the difference. There's no surprise you didn't see a change.

Also as someone mentioned above, major sorcery/brutality needs to be up for the comparison to be meaningful, since that's a whopping 20% W/S damage and it's always up during any combat regardless of anyone's build.

Tannus15 · May 2023

Ecgberht_confused wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Seems like since you've already got this set up it would be easier for you to go swap the jewelry enchants and traits for wd/sd and infused and see what that does to the tooltips of each.

I changed it to julianos set and changed the jewels to infused!

The sorc's shield decreased a little, however the arcanist's shield was almost the same...

I was intrigued how the arcanist's shield really scales...

(Maybe I'll test more later when I have time.)

What's the point of changing jewelry to infused if the jewels enchants are still not W/S damage? That was the whole point. If the Fatecarver shield scales with W/S damage then this is what makes the difference. There's no surprise you didn't see a change.

Also as someone mentioned above, major sorcery/brutality needs to be up for the comparison to be meaningful, since that's a whopping 20% W/S damage and it's always up during any combat regardless of anyone's build.

i'm more interested in if the max health is capping the arcanist shield.

Mr_Jord_Joe · May 2023

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Put Spell Damage enchantments on the jewelry pieces and use something other than Bright-Throat's for your second set.

Already have

Ecgberht_confused wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Seems like since you've already got this set up it would be easier for you to go swap the jewelry enchants and traits for wd/sd and infused and see what that does to the tooltips of each.

I changed it to julianos set and changed the jewels to infused!

The sorc's shield decreased a little, however the arcanist's shield was almost the same...

I was intrigued how the arcanist's shield really scales...

(Maybe I'll test more later when I have time.)

What's the point of changing jewelry to infused if the jewels enchants are still not W/S damage? That was the whole point. If the Fatecarver shield scales with W/S damage then this is what makes the difference. There's no surprise you didn't see a change.

Also as someone mentioned above, major sorcery/brutality needs to be up for the comparison to be meaningful, since that's a whopping 20% W/S damage and it's always up during any combat regardless of anyone's build.

In both all jewelry have spell damage enchantments, and major sorcery up...

Thecompton73 · May 2023

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Put Spell Damage enchantments on the jewelry pieces and use something other than Bright-Throat's for your second set.

Already have

Ecgberht_confused wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Seems like since you've already got this set up it would be easier for you to go swap the jewelry enchants and traits for wd/sd and infused and see what that does to the tooltips of each.

I changed it to julianos set and changed the jewels to infused!

The sorc's shield decreased a little, however the arcanist's shield was almost the same...

I was intrigued how the arcanist's shield really scales...

(Maybe I'll test more later when I have time.)

What's the point of changing jewelry to infused if the jewels enchants are still not W/S damage? That was the whole point. If the Fatecarver shield scales with W/S damage then this is what makes the difference. There's no surprise you didn't see a change.

Also as someone mentioned above, major sorcery/brutality needs to be up for the comparison to be meaningful, since that's a whopping 20% W/S damage and it's always up during any combat regardless of anyone's build.

In both all jewelry have spell damage enchantments, and major sorcery up...

Not in the screenshots you provided. The enchants on the Jewelry are still clearly tri-recovery. And as other's have pointed out, without being able to see the actual stats of the build this whole exercise is pretty fruitless.

Mr_Jord_Joe · May 2023

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Put Spell Damage enchantments on the jewelry pieces and use something other than Bright-Throat's for your second set.

Already have

Ecgberht_confused wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

From what I read in the thread about this the FateCarver shield also takes wd/sd into account and the build you posted is pretty much ignoring that stat ( all 3 tri-recovery jewelry enchants even) and pushing max mag, which is the only stat Hardened Ward scales off of, so it's no surprise the values look better.

So show me a test with the values, I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers for both in other build configurations!

Edit: So if you do an SD build, and ignore health, you will die as soon as the shield drops... it's just a stun, and death, remember that the shield is only active for the duration of the skill, and the skill only offer immunity to interrupts, not stuns.

Seems like since you've already got this set up it would be easier for you to go swap the jewelry enchants and traits for wd/sd and infused and see what that does to the tooltips of each.

I changed it to julianos set and changed the jewels to infused!

The sorc's shield decreased a little, however the arcanist's shield was almost the same...

I was intrigued how the arcanist's shield really scales...

(Maybe I'll test more later when I have time.)

What's the point of changing jewelry to infused if the jewels enchants are still not W/S damage? That was the whole point. If the Fatecarver shield scales with W/S damage then this is what makes the difference. There's no surprise you didn't see a change.

Also as someone mentioned above, major sorcery/brutality needs to be up for the comparison to be meaningful, since that's a whopping 20% W/S damage and it's always up during any combat regardless of anyone's build.

In both all jewelry have spell damage enchantments, and major sorcery up...

Not in the screenshots you provided. The enchants on the Jewelry are still clearly tri-recovery. And as other's have pointed out, without being able to see the actual stats of the build this whole exercise is pretty fruitless.

The reason why the enchantments are being named differently is probably because WD/SD enchantments now have resource recovery, but don't worry I'm preparing several screenshots from my last test.

Mr_Jord_Joe · May 2023

I put some skills from the fighters guild to the arcanist to offer more SD to the arcanist, as the sorcerer had more SD because of his passives, now they are with the similar SD.

Well certainly the arcanist's shield is still pretty high, and I don't really know how it scales, maybe I'll run tests later...

The purpose of the test is not to know which one is greater, as each one implies its own characteristics and operating conditions, my intention is to know how the two interact in the same build, since I only see people sending images of values, without giving data complete, as I'm trying to do.

But now, If anyone knows any standard PvP sets, I could see what the real difference between the two is in a real, usable build.

Edit: And if anyone sees anything different or out of place in the screenshots, let me know, I may not have noticed something (Busy life)...

acastanza_ESO · May 2023

The fact is that the arcanist gets a shield that is almost as big as hardened ward but that is practically or literally free to cast.
Admittedly it does go away if you stop channeling the beam but considering the beam is your major damage ability and you can cancel and recast it for minimal cost there is no reason an arcanist can't constantly have up what is basically hardened ward and be constantly beaming. It is absurd. And that's ignoring the offensive decision to give their shield W/SD scaling when Sorcs have been denied it for years despite literally begging for it.

Mr_Jord_Joe · May 2023

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

The fact is that the arcanist gets a shield that is almost as big as hardened ward but that is practically or literally free to cast.
Admittedly it does go away if you stop channeling the beam but considering the beam is your major damage ability and you can cancel and recast it for minimal cost there is no reason an arcanist can't constantly have up what is basically hardened ward and be constantly beaming. It is absurd. And that's ignoring the offensive scaling off W/SD.

I really doubt the shield will stay the way it is in the final version, it will probably be smaller, and will scale with crux.

What I imagine could happen is the shield goes to the morph with the longest duration because of ''vulnerability'' on cast on PvE, and the interrupt immunity to the lowest for PvP maybe? I guess just waiting for the patch notes...

Zabagad · May 2023

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Not in the screenshots you provided. The enchants on the Jewelry are still clearly tri-recovery.

Unfortunately that's not true anymore, because dmg glyphes are shown as "multi-effect" since they got the tiny mag/stam reg part...

hanszimmers · May 2023

The Arcanist's shield is much worse than Sorc's shield... Sorc does not climb out of the shield... what's there to talk about... #revivenecro! #deletedk #nerfstamsorc

robpr · May 2023

Imo comparing these two has no reason. Hardened Ward can be spammed and you can do whatever you want while they are up. Fatecarver's shield is only up when you use Fatecarver - you cancel it and its gone.

I'd rather worry about Chakram healing shields stacking with Healing Ward instead.