The only things that matter in this game

Dark_Lord_Kuro

To be honnest, acheivement dont mean much.

I got both emperor and grand overlord on a pve character with his pve build. After all of this im still horrible at pvp.

If the cosmetic fit my character and i like it, ill buy it and i coulnt care less what you or anybody else think about it.

Kite42

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

My very first toon rides the sorrel mare you get for free at level 10, because I can't bear to take it off.

My main still rides 'Socks' too.

Zenzuki

Hey my dude...

I don't even know you.

Why do you think I'm trying to impress you?

Blood_again

The only things that matter in this game is to keep having fun.
The day people played the game without having fun would ruin this game way faster and stronger that any ingame shop.

I keep Flawless title on my characters who achieved it, despite they have trial trifectas. I do it for me, not for people looking at my character. The day I won't like it, I'll change it to something else.
One of my high end pvp char was wearing title Recruit, simple horse for 10k and Red Rook disguise for years, just because I found it funny. Now it was changed. She's riding a crown store mount because I like it more.

My fun is my priority.
Only exception is a team play when I choose to have fun together. But it is not about titles and costumes.

SeaGtGruff

Zenzuki wrote: »

Hey my dude...

I don't even know you.

Why do you think I'm trying to impress you?

Um, I don't know... Because he's your dude? /shrug

Blood_again wrote: »

The only things that matter in this game is to keep having fun.

^^^ This ^^^

boi_anachronism_

vsrs_au wrote: »

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement.

Not if they spent months accumulating endeavour points to buy it. In those cases, they earned it.

Yeah im waiting for the starchaser mount to return. I have 19k points saved. Thats an achiement to me. That said i almost have my dd, silver skin,dungeon hms, ect too

MasterSpatula

The only things that matter are: What do you like? What fits your character? What looks good?

OP's standards are just sad.

Jacozilla

Rowjoh wrote: »

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

Just like to point out that a significant percentage of mounts, houses, furnishings, skins etc can be aquired through in-game rewards, Weekend Vendors, Endeavour tokens, free crowns from subscriptions etc, and are not necessarily aquired through spending real money in the crown store.

I have a small selection of spectacular apex mounts, a couple of amazing houses, really cool furnishings and skins and haven't bought any of it with real money.

What one chooses to wear, ride, display and build is nothing more than personal preference.

Actually, the more correct statement is ‘100% of ALL crown items are can be acquired through in-game rewards’

Not some, many, most, or almost all - but every single one.

Hard to argue gold is not a regular, in-game reward obtainable via many, many in-game activities. Craft, trade, grind mats or high value drops to sell, sell dungeon / trial carries, paid consultant to decorate houses as some pro decorators do. Whatever, gold is in-game and can then be traded for Crowns.

Zos has never, not once, come out and said gold to crown trading is against TOS. They may not actively help it by putting in an in-game trade ratio or helpful automation of that gold:crown trade, but it’s fine from ZoS pov. If players dont want to sell or buy crowns, totally legit pov as well.

But fact remains that for those that do wish to buy / sell crowns, this effectively makes every single crown item obtainable via just gold. *notwithstanding bugs in certain items like gifting crates until they fix it, but normally these too are giftable and therefore sellable via gold:crown exchange

AScarlato

Meanwhile I wouldn’t recognize or care about anything listed in the OP but do care when I see a cosmetic that’s left the store lol.

Daggerfell0929

Everyone in the forum is memeing on what I am saying, but at the end of the day the reason why MMOs such as WoW and FF14, lost ark have significantly more players than ESO is because the better endgame reward structure and progression


ZOS is literally killing their own content. Why would I grind out God slayer when I can swipe my credit card and get a cooler mount?

Zodiarkslayer

"The only things that matter in this game" are my favourite music in my ear and the beer in front of me.

Prost! 😁

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

Everyone in the forum is memeing on what I am saying, but at the end of the day the reason why MMOs such as WoW and FF14, lost ark have significantly more players than ESO is because the better endgame reward structure and progression


ZOS is literally killing their own content. Why would I grind out God slayer when I can swipe my credit card and get a cooler mount?

Or it could be that like many they dislike weaving or prefer these game combat style, story, character, lore etc. They may prefer the way the balance is handled or many other thing. Having more player doesnt mean it because of acheivement. Having played both (and still do from time to time) i can tell you that all 3 games
Seem to atract people for different reason

Danikat

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

Everyone in the forum is memeing on what I am saying, but at the end of the day the reason why MMOs such as WoW and FF14, lost ark have significantly more players than ESO is because the better endgame reward structure and progression


ZOS is literally killing their own content. Why would I grind out God slayer when I can swipe my credit card and get a cooler mount?

Or it could be that like many they dislike weaving or prefer these game combat style, story, character, lore etc. They may prefer the way the balance is handled or many other thing. Having more player doesnt mean it because of acheivement. Having played both (and still do from time to time) i can tell you that all 3 games
Seem to atract people for different reason

I know of many people who pick which MMO/s they play primarily for the art style and graphics, some of whom don't like ESO because it's 'too realistic'.

I also know of others who are put off by exactly the things the OP mentioned. The idea that they're going to have to spend hours and a huge amount of effort just to like how their character looks is discouraging and they'd rather play a game where they can get 'set up' quickly and then get on with playing whatever parts of the game they enjoy.

It would be impossible to have a set of criteria everyone agrees on and therefore impossible to make a game everyone will like, even for a relatively niche audience like MMO players. I don't think it's a bad thing to have a range of different games with different priorities and player experiences so everyone can find one they enjoy. We're decades past the misconception that the MMO market is so small that it can only support a very small number of games and the ideal is for one to dominate the entire thing. That's never going to happen (and in spite of the popularity of WoW in the early 2000's never did happen) so it's not a problem if other games are also successful, even if they can claim more players than ESO (although that will also partially come down to how they count 'active' players). The important thing is this game gets enough players to keep going, which it obviously is at least for now since we've got a new expansion coming soon.

ZOS_Icy

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Ei8htba11

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

...ZOS is literally killing their own content. Why would I grind out God slayer when I can swipe my credit card and get a cooler mount?

To EARN the achievement, to know that you faced to odds and came out victorious. Nothing can take that away from YOU (or anyone else that gains an achievement).

Standing in the middle of town on an achievement mount waiting for kudos, how many people actually bother to congratulate you? I mean, if that's the game you want to play more power to you, but in the end, it's YOUR achievement.. you don't need anyone else to validate it for you.

Most of the stuff I've earned in game (skins, titles etc.) I don't even use. I didn't do it for that, I did it for the challenge

ProudMary

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

Cosmetics and housing is totally irrelevant to me.

IMO the only thing that matters is the great combat system and server performance.

ProudMary

Deter1UK wrote: »

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement.
....
Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

You need to understand:

1 Nobody cares about achievements apart from their own

2 The majority of the playerbase wouldn't recognise an 'Achievement Skin' if it jumped out at them in a dark alley in Daggerfall

3 Fashion and Housing are the true end game and locking stuff behind hard-to-complete gameplay is bad business

Putting the coolest cosmetics behind the most challenging content is actually a much better business model than putting them in the crown store.

Kirawolfe

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

Why are you worried about the toys other people have in this game? I think most folks get these mounts because they think they look cool - not because they're worried about being considered an amazing player. They just love the look, which is great. So they aren't statements of prowess, they're statements of 'this looks cool'.

'I think thou doth protest too much'.

And how is people having toys in this game ruining it? It's cosmetic. There's no advantage except possibly blindness when someone fires up a mount XD If you're talking about micro transactions, I get that, but this is an old game - they're throwing out anything (moon knight style) shiny to get it to stick. People are still going to buy the shiny things, and Zos is going to continue putting them out to make moar money.

DragonRacer

Hey, man, it took a long time earning 9,000+ Seals of Endeavor to purchase that Azure Blight Wild Hunt mount.

That I got because I liked it and wanted it for myself.

So guess it's a good thing I didn't "buy" it to impress you. :P

Kiralyn2000

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

The idea of endgame rewards is to encourage players to build a community and play together to earn the most BADASS skins in the game, but instead there is a lack of.


I am all for cosmetics being buyable, however there is an unhealthy BLOAT in the store, and it is a DISGRACE to players that keep the game ALIVE with their PVE and PVP endgame communities as they get screwed over each and every patch with countless combat changes, having to RESPEC their builds each 3 months.

If you say so. Not sure I believe any of that. But, then, I didn't have "school spirit" either - I never bothered with any of my schools' "pep rallies" or went to their home games, or anything. "Endgame community" seems like an odd concept to me.


(and then there's the part where I think 99.9% of these supposed-"badass" skins & mounts look pretty bad. Not about to "swipe my credit card" for any of those fancy glowing mounts or ugly-as-sin skins & polymorphs. And they're not much of an enticement to do specific content, either. But hey, different strokes for different folks. Not everyone likes or dislikes the same stuff. /shrug)

SickleCider

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

The idea of endgame rewards is to encourage players to build a community and play together to earn the most BADASS skins in the game, but instead there is a lack of.


I am all for cosmetics being buyable, however there is an unhealthy BLOAT in the store, and it is a DISGRACE to players that keep the game ALIVE with their PVE and PVP endgame communities as they get screwed over each and every patch with countless combat changes, having to RESPEC their builds each 3 months.

If you say so. Not sure I believe any of that. But, then, I didn't have "school spirit" either - I never bothered with any of my schools' "pep rallies" or went to their home games, or anything. "Endgame community" seems like an odd concept to me.


(and then there's the part where I think 99.9% of these supposed-"badass" skins & mounts look pretty bad. Not about to "swipe my credit card" for any of those fancy glowing mounts or ugly-as-sin skins & polymorphs. And they're not much of an enticement to do specific content, either. But hey, different strokes for different folks. Not everyone likes or dislikes the same stuff. /shrug)

Yeah, uh, the skins are actually really horrendous. I remember having to put the Sunspire skin on so the trial lead could take a picture of the group and I immediately took it off. No thanks. Blasting my achievements to people is not worth looking like a radioactive crunch goblin.