The only things that matter in this game

Daggerfell0929

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

isadoraisacat

I never really bought any of those high end items too much money. I wear all free clothes and items i obtained in game for the most part. I don’t really think optional cosmetics ruining the game though. It helps support the developer and is non essential.

Daggerfell0929

isadoraisacat wrote: »

I never really bought any of those high end items too much money. I wear all free clothes and items i obtained in game for the most part. I don’t really think optional cosmetics ruining the game though. It helps support the developer and is non essential.

It becomes a problem when 95% of the cosmetics are in the cash shop I would say. On top of a basically "required" sub for high end players

isadoraisacat

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

isadoraisacat wrote: »

I never really bought any of those high end items too much money. I wear all free clothes and items i obtained in game for the most part. I don’t really think optional cosmetics ruining the game though. It helps support the developer and is non essential.

It becomes a problem when 95% of the cosmetics are in the cash shop I would say. On top of a basically "required" sub for high end players

But you don’t need them to play the game they are cosmetics. It’s how the devs keep the ball rolling.
I’d rather them lock cosmetics behind a paywall
That only matter if you are into super fashion than items needed for gameplay.

My character riding a fancy red glowing horse won’t improve my build, so I don’t really care. I can’t afford those extra items but thank god they aren’t really necessary.

phaneub17_ESO

I'll be honest, I have no idea where any of the game acquired cosmetics are located. I only come across most by happenstance. Last time I was on ESO Plus I jumped into Trials and Group Dungeons to collect random pets and some cosmetic changes you get just for zoning in the first time.

It would be nice if I could preview the "not collected" skins, personalities, and polymorphs available from in-game achievements to know if I want them or not. I mean actual preview, not go to some website and view images of other people with them.

kargen27

Being honest if the mount didn't come from the stables in game I couldn't tell you where the mount came from. Same with skins I have no idea where any one skin came from. I know I have a few crown store mounts because I used to take advantage of crown gifting to use in game gold to purchase a 15 pack of crown crates each cycle.

Not sure if any of my characters use those mounts.

You can purchase the God Slayer achievement with in game gold so I don't see that achievement mounts and skins have any more awe value (other than aesthetics) than any other mount or skin.

isadoraisacat

kargen27 wrote: »

Being honest if the mount didn't come from the stables in game I couldn't tell you where the mount came from. Same with skins I have no idea where any one skin came from. I know I have a few crown store mounts because I used to take advantage of crown gifting to use in game gold to purchase a 15 pack of crown crates each cycle.

Not sure if any of my characters use those mounts.

You can purchase the God Slayer achievement with in game gold so I don't see that achievement mounts and skins have any more awe value (other than aesthetics) than any other mount or skin.

I have the Star-Born Guardian Senche. I got it from a crate I got with my crowns I get from eso plus and use that it looks cool enough for me. But I’m not gonna spend extra money for some super high end crates, I try to be thrifty and use what I can get with in my means and make it look as cool
As possible in a modest way. But if people want to purchase things and enjoy them and support the devs more power to them.

vsrs_au

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement.

Not if they spent months accumulating endeavour points to buy it. In those cases, they earned it.

Sarannah

This is something I don't get, why do some players think they have the right to judge others!?! ESO is non-competitive, even though some players like to think it is competitive. If someone likes a mount or outfit or costume or anything else, it is their business. It has nothing to do with accomplishments, some just want to look cool or have a cool home while having fun playing. Me included, and I never use titles because I really don't care about them at all.

And how is buying some items, furnishings for example, ruining their game? ESO is non-competitive, you have no right to judge others at all! For me buying that stuff from the store enhances my game, as I place/use them where it looks awesome. Why would a player care, if some other player has certain mounts/titles!?!

Five of my characters use radiant apexes, not because they are bought, but because they fit those character's styles. I'd rather look cool than e-brag.

A while back someone was standing on a radiant apex in town minding his own business, and some other player felt the need to insult them, for absolutely no reason. I felt really bad for that player. Some people are just "not nice", please don't be one of those people!

Like one of the players above, I couldn't tell where any titles, mounts, or anything else comes from. And I really don't care about other player's e-brag. Nor would I recognize them doing so.

Liguar

I use the plain Senche-raht from the Elsweyr pack. There are some other nice looking, non-glowing versions but I expect they came from crates/gems and I don't mess with those.

No, it's not an achievement, I'm not showing it off to anyone except me. I just like Senche-rahts.

Kite42

Smells a bit of elitist snobbery in here. What's wrong with pay-to-dressup? It funds development and doesn't involve USD-only armaments or whatever.

Weird game to be elitist about too, since it's single big server model, so pay-to-be near (Texas?), unlike a local server type of game like CS or battlefield, for example. Or turn based like chess maybe.

licenturion

Oh no it is one of these 'skill issue', 'git gut' kind of people.

Who cares what people have achieved or not. I hope if they have fun playing the game the way they like it. That is all that matters. I bet most people won't even know what cosmetics are actually trophies or not. I don't, no do I care, and I play for years now.

Carcamongus

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

What in blazes does having a shiny mount have to do with being good at the game? This game is full of cosmetics and it's true some of them inspire engagement, like that Meridian skin from Depths of Malatar, which looks cool and doesn't require a trifecta. However, there's nothing wrong with paying for something that won't improve your chances of success in the game. This game has plenty of aesthetic options and many players like to create looks that fit their personalities or characters, so what if they bough the stuff?

Bad decisions about gameplay, writing and content in general could ruin this game, not cool furnishings and shiny mounts.

SeaGtGruff

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

The only furnishing I ever bought was with in-game gold, and that's only because I was required to buy 1 furnishing before I could claim my free "house" (room in St. Delyn Canton) back when you had to do an actual quest to get the free housing.

Not long afterward they updated things so that now all you need to do is talk to the lady who's looking for someone to move into one of her rooms for free-- assuming you haven't already claimed or visited one of the other free rooms on that character.

I've never bought any mounts, pets, or Crown crates from the Crown Store, but I've acquired numerous Crown-Store mounts and pets through the free Crown crates that we get by watching ESO Live and ESO streamers on Twitch, or from other sources such as buying Digital Collector's Editions of chapters and DLCs, or purchased with Crown Gems or Seals of Endeavor. I've got a few flashy mounts and pets, but I actually prefer the normal-looking ones. I try to choose a pet and mount for each of my characters based on their race and home province, or sometimes based on their class.

As for cosmetics, I don't use cosmetic items to augment my characters' appearances, nor do I use the Outfit system. I know a lot of players spend a lot of time working on their characters' looks to get them "just right," and I think some of them are very well done, but I'd rather have fun by running around fighting enemies and monsters. Bragging rights, titles, skins, and other coveted achievements don't matter to me; enjoying my playtime is all I really care about.

The only thing that matters in this, or any, game is having fun, whatever that might happen to mean to each player.

bmnoble

I might stop and gawk for a few seconds but that is about it, could not care less whether people earnt or bought their cosmetics if the character looks nice I will have a look then go back to what I was doing.

Snamyap

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

With the amount of spam in zone chat of people selling carries for exactly that content it's fair to say those mounts and skins mean diddly squat.

Rowjoh

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

Just like to point out that a significant percentage of mounts, houses, furnishings, skins etc can be aquired through in-game rewards, Weekend Vendors, Endeavour tokens, free crowns from subscriptions etc, and are not necessarily aquired through spending real money in the crown store.

I have a small selection of spectacular apex mounts, a couple of amazing houses, really cool furnishings and skins and haven't bought any of it with real money.

What one chooses to wear, ride, display and build is nothing more than personal preference.

Danikat

Have you considered the possibility that other people don't care what you think of their character, and don't expect you to care either?

I doubt many people are buying crown store cosmetics because they imagine some random will mistake it for an achievement reward and be privately impressed they got it. They do it because they like how it looks and enjoy having it for themselves.

I've bought some crown store items (and gotten others for free in various ways) and I certainly don't think it's ruined my game. I like the thing, I think it's worth what ZOS are charging so I bought it and now I get to enjoy using it. That's a positive for me. And yes of course I also have stuff from achievements and other places in game and if I like them I'll use them too.

On the rare occasions I notice what other people are using my only thought is whether or not I think it looks good together. It's unlikely I'll remember where it came from or what they had to do to get it and even if I did that doesn't matter to me, if I like the overall look I'll take a moment to appreciate it (if I really like it sometimes I'll tell them that). If I don't I assume they do like it and just have different tastes to me and go on with my day.

Snamyap

Rowjoh wrote: »

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool I guess, they bought that." Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement. I don't see a radiant Apex mount and MALD out "Oh my gosh your soo good at the game." I dont see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more. However, when I see the Dro-mothra skin I am inspired to do Vmol.

Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

Just like to point out that a significant percentage of mounts, houses, furnishings, skins etc can be aquired through in-game rewards, Weekend Vendors, Endeavour tokens, free crowns from subscriptions etc, and are not necessarily aquired through spending real money in the crown store.

I have a small selection of spectacular apex mounts, a couple of amazing houses, really cool furnishings and skins and haven't bought any of it with real money.

What one chooses to wear, ride, display and build is nothing more than personal preference.

Yup, I bought the Ashen Fang Lair Courser last week from my free crowns. 🤷

Lykeion

Well, I don't care about any of those endgame contents you mentioned. What is hard to get is not always good, and very often there is no relationship between the two. A mount that looks good to me is what's valuable to me, not an expensive one. I have a few tri titles, but I use Ravenwatch almost all the time because it makes more sense.

purple-magicb16_ESO

Anything in the game can be bought. If not in the Crown Store, then you buy carries. So that throws the whole achievement worship thing out the window...

I fanboy over no one.

Toxic_Hemlock

I'm a terrible player and the best title I have earned is master crafter. I won't ever get the emperor costume, as I never PvP, and I even avoid most vet content as I don't want to hurt the team.

That said I don't judge anyone for having titles I will never get as elitist, nor do I care what mount they use.

Live and let live is my moto, because humility it seems, is in very short supply these days.

redlink1979

Only bought the drunk and the duchess personalities, besides the useful npcs, because I like them and the Blood-Forge skin because ZOS decided to took that skin from the Bloodroot Forge dungeon achievements.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/359102/blood-forged-skin-pulled-from-bloodroot-forge

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

From a cosmetic standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the emperor costume, overlord title, god slayer mount, etc. (...)

Not all players earned the items because they have the skills. Some wear those because they had the gold required to pay the carry runs (PvE and/or PvP).

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

(...) On top of a basically "required" sub for high end players

Sub is optional, not a must. It was worse when a sub was mandatory to play the game before Tamriel Unlimited.

EramTheLiar

Back in MY day people knew if you were riding a glowing senche tiger with lightning armor that it meant you had DONE THE WORK to earn it in trials -- or had been carried along by your big brother and his guildmates, but nevermind that. These days, anyone with spare change can afford to have an item that provides no actual gameplay benefits whatsoever and it just irks me to no end that these johnny come latelies just won't stay in their lane!

harrumph

They should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, just like I did, and solo 12 man trials to prove that they DESERVE the imaginary nonexistant lightning cat with accompanying pseudo dragon daedra pet

HappyTheCamper

Same thing, but I also feel that way about the stuff you said. The godslayer/planesbreaker mounts are hideous. Almost every skin earned from trials is ugly as well. Heck I just got the worm cult wizard personality from vFL and it makes your character have this stupid smarmy grin.

I choose cosmetics based on the characters I create. I like all my characters to fit a theme within the Elder Scrolls world. If the items needed for that are earned in game, that’s awesome. If they’re crown store related, that’s less awesome, but as long as they don’t break the bank and I can get them reasonably and responsibly then whatever fine.

Kite42

Back in the day, in Yorkshire, we had to solo 24 man trials. In both directions

Deter1UK

Kite42 wrote: »

Back in the day, in Yorkshire, we had to solo 24 man trials. In both directions

Back in the day, in Lancashire, we used to laugh at how easy you had it.

Anifaas

From a gaming standpoint, the only thing I really recognize in this game is the content. When I see a player on a store mount I think "Oh cool. I guess they bought that. Good for them they must really enjoy that skin!" Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningful if the object provides that recipient happiness. I see a radiant Apex mount and think "Oh my gosh, good for you I bet you're happy!" I don't see a radiant apex mount and feel inspired to play the game more because mounts don't motivate me in the slightest. When I see the Dro-mothra skin I am not inspired to do Vmol because I think the skin looks silly and I'm not going through all that work just for a silly skin

Meanwhile some (like me) are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" realizing its perfect for their home design.

Danikat

Vaqual wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

This is something I don't get, why do some players think they have the right to judge others!?! ESO is non-competitive, even though some players like to think it is competitive. If someone likes a mount or outfit or costume or anything else, it is their business. It has nothing to do with accomplishments, some just want to look cool or have a cool home while having fun playing. Me included, and I never use titles because I really don't care about them at all.

And how is buying some items, furnishings for example, ruining their game? ESO is non-competitive, you have no right to judge others at all! For me buying that stuff from the store enhances my game, as I place/use them where it looks awesome. Why would a player care, if some other player has certain mounts/titles!?!

Five of my characters use radiant apexes, not because they are bought, but because they fit those character's styles. I'd rather look cool than e-brag.

A while back someone was standing on a radiant apex in town minding his own business, and some other player felt the need to insult them, for absolutely no reason. I felt really bad for that player. Some people are just "not nice", please don't be one of those people!

Like one of the players above, I couldn't tell where any titles, mounts, or anything else comes from. And I really don't care about other player's e-brag. Nor would I recognize them doing so.

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You can think what you like, but there's no need to say it to them.

It's the same as real life. If I see someone in the street in an ugly coat I might think to myself that it's ugly but I'm not going to go up to them and tell them that. I doubt they'd care and if they did they'd have every right to be offended at a total stranger criticising their clothing. Likewise if I see someone on a mount I think looks ugly or messy or out of place or whatever I can think that to myself, but there's no reason to tell them I don't like their mount.

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SpacemanSpiff1

thank you for letting us know.

Deter1UK

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

Anything that can be bought on the store is meaningless in terms of player achievement.
....
Meanwhile some are like "Oh my gosh this furnishing is SOOO cool, take my money ZOS" not realizing its ruining their own game.

You need to understand:

1 Nobody cares about achievements apart from their own

2 The majority of the playerbase wouldn't recognise an 'Achievement Skin' if it jumped out at them in a dark alley in Daggerfall

3 Fashion and Housing are the true end game and locking stuff behind hard-to-complete gameplay is bad business