Wait so other classes get buffed while Stamblades (Which already one of the weakest) get nerfed?

Eliran

Veiled Strike
Concealed Weapon (morph): This morph now grants its damage done bonus for 10 seconds if Major Expedition was active while it was cast, rather than for 5 seconds when Major Expedition ends or was refreshed, to ensure the skill is used actively rather than passively. The damage bonus still operates the same for leaving sneak or invisibility.

Why would you do that? why keep nerfing stamblades?

sharquez

There is no mag or stam anymore, Just use the best morphs or get left behind.
Also if you think nightblade is weak you're living in Bizzaro earth.

Eliran

sharquez wrote: »

There is no mag or stam anymore, Just use the best morphs or get left behind.

That's just false, please spare me trolling.

birdik

sharquez wrote: »

There is no mag or stam anymore, Just use the best morphs or get left behind.
Also if you think nightblade is weak you're living in Bizzaro earth.

Please dont add your 5 cents if you dont understand.

Developer Comment:
Spoiler
For the masters of assassination, the Nightblade class is a little bit further behind in single target damage than we’d like. We’re increasing the uptime on this debuff to help Nightblades get more DPS and kill potential on priority targets.

Then they nerfed all damage, lol

Please revert concealed weapon changes, it will be very clunky to use active skill especially for stamina builds ( in some scenario magicka too )
Take for example trash fights, ranged builds, execute

Fun fact: it will be more comfortable in pvp for my mana nb..

birdik

birdik wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

There is no mag or stam anymore, Just use the best morphs or get left behind.
Also if you think nightblade is weak you're living in Bizzaro earth.

Please dont add your 5 cents if you dont understand.

Developer Comment:
Spoiler
For the masters of assassination, the Nightblade class is a little bit further behind in single target damage than we’d like. We’re increasing the uptime on this debuff to help Nightblades get more DPS and kill potential on priority targets.

Then they nerfed all damage, lol

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sharquez

Eliran wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

There is no mag or stam anymore, Just use the best morphs or get left behind.

That's just false, please spare me trolling.

Hyperbole? maybe. False. Nah Hybrid builds are usually dipping from the best skills. How many "stam "DKs were running whip before they made it cost both?

(all the good ones)

Bushido2513

Eliran wrote: »

Veiled Strike
Concealed Weapon (morph): This morph now grants its damage done bonus for 10 seconds if Major Expedition was active while it was cast, rather than for 5 seconds when Major Expedition ends or was refreshed, to ensure the skill is used actively rather than passively. The damage bonus still operates the same for leaving sneak or invisibility.

Why would you do that? why keep nerfing stamblades?

It was a bit overpowered in pvp so I'm guessing you might be speaking of weakness in PVE? This was basically acting like a buff for nb pretty much at all times when inside path and I would take the nerf as confirmation that this wasn't supposed to be the case.

It was part of a build that someone made that got really popular and had a few variants. I think this may be a case where pve suffers for pve.

Now if you're saying nb was weak in pvp I'd have to disagree as it has very high damage and overall buffs. It's not as easy to play as dk but if you know how to play it, yeah it's pretty strong.

Eliran

At this stage I am not sure they care anymore, stamblades been under performing in PVE for way too long ...

master_vanargand

Only use Magicka DPS in PvE.
This is probably the game creator's message.
Magicka is definitely better for all classes.

Play ESO the way you like it. However, it becomes weaker with Stamina builds.
The game is doing something catastrophically wrong and no one is trying to fix it.
The game creator are just deceiving players with beautiful-sounding words.

AndreNoir

Eliran wrote: »

Veiled Strike
Concealed Weapon (morph): This morph now grants its damage done bonus for 10 seconds if Major Expedition was active while it was cast, rather than for 5 seconds when Major Expedition ends or was refreshed, to ensure the skill is used actively rather than passively. The damage bonus still operates the same for leaving sneak or invisibility.

Why would you do that? why keep nerfing stamblades?

From when the change on ability that was never used by stamblades before U35 considered as a nerf ?

Lavennin

AndreNoir wrote: »

From when the change on ability that was never used by stamblades before U35 considered as a nerf ?

Not that I wouldn’t want to use Surprise Attack, but the Magicka morph is just better in PvE, and I prefer the aesthetics of a Stamblade.

Lavennin

It’s not just Stamblades but all Nightblades. With the new LA mythic NBs still have to do LA except now it deals almost no damage. Must be satisfying seeing all the big numbers pop up.

EramTheLiar

How do you use the magicka morph? I always thought of that skill as a spammable, and if you're a stamblade you wouldn't have much of a magicka pool to spam it with.

Lavennin

EramTheLiar wrote: »

How do you use the magicka morph? I always thought of that skill as a spammable, and if you're a stamblade you wouldn't have much of a magicka pool to spam it with.

You use it as a passive and something else as spammable. Actually helps to have a magicka spammable on bar for when you want to bar swap but your spammable is WB and it has casting time, or when you somehow run out of stamina.

Eliran

Problem start when they try to balance the game around PVP and PVE play suffers as a result, its a different game and both modes shouldn't not even be affected by each other ...

The use of the ability as passive is what it is, without it, stamblades DPS drop dramatically and won't even be worth using at this stage ..

I already have to work twice as hard to justify my existence as a stamblade, this is just careless in my opinion, you can't just randomly nerf stuff without buffing something else when a class is already nerfed.

Runefang

Yeah what a daft move. I don’t mind the nerf to CW exactly but adjust something else as a result!

Eliran

Its just senseless .. honestly I don't care about PVP whatsoever but Nightblades are already considered weak in PVE, why make it even worse?

I just hope ZoS are not done yet and plan to fix it with a counter buff ...

MudcrabAttack

Overall it’s about the same single target damage regardless. If you had concealed weapon on the bar before, just keep it there and use concealed weapon once in a while now. Wear 2 or maybe 3 pieces of light armor to help adjust for magic regen

The place where this is an actual nerf is AOE damage, magic and stamina nightblade both have mediocre AOE DPS as it is. With prior updates you could spam cast all AOE skills and get the 10% buff passively. Now you must use a single target ability every 10 seconds to gain the buff for the rest of your AOE skills, or more likely you would skip the buff altogether now since casting the single target ability early would diminish average AOE DPS. Either way it’s dropping quite a lot

sneakymitchell

Cast_El

Eliran wrote: »

Veiled Strike
Concealed Weapon (morph): This morph now grants its damage done bonus for 10 seconds if Major Expedition was active while it was cast, rather than for 5 seconds when Major Expedition ends or was refreshed, to ensure the skill is used actively rather than passively. The damage bonus still operates the same for leaving sneak or invisibility.

Why would you do that? why keep nerfing stamblades?

Nightblade is the best pvp class with DK. You can teleport though wall (best defensive skill ok the game), cloak, you have spectral bow which is the highest tooltip damage skill in the game, and so on.
Use hybrid build.
Sorry but I can't stand earing complain about nightblade,dk or warden saying they are not strong enough.
How about templar, sorcerer? Necro?

Jaimeh

Eliran wrote: »

At this stage I am not sure they care anymore, stamblades been under performing in PVE for way too long ...

Yes, this ^ It's my favourite class to dps on too... The rotation is hard but it's fun, but for all the trouble they are towards 'ok-ish but meh compared to everything else' territory.

Zastrix

Jaimeh wrote: »

Yes, this ^ It's my favourite class to dps on too... The rotation is hard but it's fun, but for all the trouble they are towards 'ok-ish but meh compared to everything else' territory.

Same, no other class gives me the fun as what a nightblade does. I tried to play as a magblade but it just didn't feel right for my own personal playstyle. Stmablades need a 'rework' (either a buff to SA to have a similar effect to the magicka one (albeit different)) or class passives which will buff it a bit (direct physical attacks or something).

Zastrix

Cast_El wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

Veiled Strike
Concealed Weapon (morph): This morph now grants its damage done bonus for 10 seconds if Major Expedition was active while it was cast, rather than for 5 seconds when Major Expedition ends or was refreshed, to ensure the skill is used actively rather than passively. The damage bonus still operates the same for leaving sneak or invisibility.

Why would you do that? why keep nerfing stamblades?

Nightblade is the best pvp class with DK. You can teleport though wall (best defensive skill ok the game), cloak, you have spectral bow which is the highest tooltip damage skill in the game, and so on.
Use hybrid build.
Sorry but I can't stand earing complain about nightblade,dk or warden saying they are not strong enough.
How about templar, sorcerer? Necro?

Also, what backwater thinking is this. Oh you don't use THE build well, suck to be you, just use THE build.

You want to change something with resources? No! Use THE build. Also never had an issues with nightblades, just counter invisibility ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Eliran

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

Overall it’s about the same single target damage regardless. If you had concealed weapon on the bar before, just keep it there and use concealed weapon once in a while now. Wear 2 or maybe 3 pieces of light armor to help adjust for magic regen

The place where this is an actual nerf is AOE damage, magic and stamina nightblade both have mediocre AOE DPS as it is. With prior updates you could spam cast all AOE skills and get the 10% buff passively. Now you must use a single target ability every 10 seconds to gain the buff for the rest of your AOE skills, or more likely you would skip the buff altogether now since casting the single target ability early would diminish average AOE DPS. Either way it’s dropping quite a lot

Lol you have no clue how hard magicka maintenance is for stamblades in PVE, also spam it every 10 sec? its worthless and would drain my fully after about 30 sec with the mediocre stamblade build ..

Please stop justifying ignorance .. there is no justification for it.

Cast_El wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

Veiled Strike
Concealed Weapon (morph): This morph now grants its damage done bonus for 10 seconds if Major Expedition was active while it was cast, rather than for 5 seconds when Major Expedition ends or was refreshed, to ensure the skill is used actively rather than passively. The damage bonus still operates the same for leaving sneak or invisibility.

Why would you do that? why keep nerfing stamblades?

Nightblade is the best pvp class with DK. You can teleport though wall (best defensive skill ok the game), cloak, you have spectral bow which is the highest tooltip damage skill in the game, and so on.
Use hybrid build.
Sorry but I can't stand earing complain about nightblade,dk or warden saying they are not strong enough.
How about templar, sorcerer? Necro?

No body care about PVP, majority of players don't even do PVP.

PVE shouldn't be balanced around PVP and I don't care they even remove the entire ability from PVP, I care about what I play which already underperforming.

AndreNoir

Eliran wrote: »

No body care about PVP, majority of players don't even do PVP.

Srsly ppl who wrote things like this should be banned permanently both for talking about "nobody" and marking playerbase as PVE

Zastrix

AndreNoir wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

No body care about PVP, majority of players don't even do PVP.

Srsly ppl who wrote things like this should be banned permanently both for talking about "nobody" and marking playerbase as PVE

I mean in all fairness the majority is PvE, PvP numbers are constantly getting lower because of the server performance. Spoken from someone who did play some PvP and have friends who only PvP.

Eliran

AndreNoir wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

No body care about PVP, majority of players don't even do PVP.

Srsly ppl who wrote things like this should be banned permanently both for talking about "nobody" and marking playerbase as PVE

This is not a competitive PVP game, its a PVE MMO with casual PVP.

I expect you to know that I guess .. maybe the phrase "no body" is wrong, but grand majority wouldn't be.

10% less on NB clearly won't make PVP balance, maybe 90% damage reduction to players and make PVE sets procs useless in PVP and vice versa make PVP sets useless in PVE would work however .. but yea that's maybe my 2 cent low PVE IQ, what do I know?

AndreNoir

Eliran wrote: »

its a PVE MMO with casual PVP.

There only 4 dungeons (optional) and one trial PER YEAR. The rest what you call as PVE is a visual novel with housing where is your thread as much relative as pvp for you

sharquez

I'll add all the cents I want thank you very much. If y'all would add context then we wouldn't have these abrasions.
Class balance in PVE doesn't strike me as something the average player would complain about in terms of strength or weakness as it usually seems trivial regardless of what class you are playing.so forgive me for thinking it was PVP you were discussing, especially on a class that is notably dominant. There's a 4 page thread on removing them from the game so forgive me for getting my wires crossed.
FWIW Just heavy attack with a lightning staff while wearing medium armor and you wont have to worry about things like rotation or skill nerfs.

StShoot

Lavennin wrote: »

It’s not just Stamblades but all Nightblades. With the new LA mythic NBs still have to do LA except now it deals almost no damage. Must be satisfying seeing all the big numbers pop up.

All classes have to keep weaving even IF the use the new mythic, you still want to proc enchantments, sets, mythics, poisons and status effects

Jaimeh

Zastrix wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

Yes, this ^ It's my favourite class to dps on too... The rotation is hard but it's fun, but for all the trouble they are towards 'ok-ish but meh compared to everything else' territory.

Same, no other class gives me the fun as what a nightblade does. I tried to play as a magblade but it just didn't feel right for my own personal playstyle. Stmablades need a 'rework' (either a buff to SA to have a similar effect to the magicka one (albeit different)) or class passives which will buff it a bit (direct physical attacks or something).

Yes, a buff to SA to bring it on par would be a good solution because as a stamNB you wouldn't need to slot concealed weapon to just sit there passively like we do now, which not only takes up a skill slot but means we have to use another skill for a spammable, like silver shards. I really wish they would do something like that and bring the spec back to life @ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_BrianWheeler