Account Wide Armory and Outfit Slots

deyjasagus

If ZOS were to make both armory and outfit slots account wide and made previous purchases reflect this, would you be more inclined to purchase them?

Freelancer_ESO

Yes

I would be more likely to buy Outfit slots but, I would likely only be buying one to three so it would likely be more profitable to them to keep it character based because that allows them to get more money from the people that are really into fashion that have multiple characters they play.

(You'd also have the issue of refunds/slot limits) I believe right now you can purchase 9 additional slots per character. I would not be surprised if some individuals have all nine on multiple characters. You'd either need to refund them for some of the slots or expand the total number allowed significantly.

I don't actively use even the free armory slot so it would not lead me to be more likely to purchase more of them.

Kendaric

Yes

I'd definitely buy outfit slots if they were made account wide, I wouldn't buy armory slots however as I don't even use the free one.

Tandor

No

I have no interest in either so it wouldn't affect me, but as a principle I think there are too many things in the game that have been made account-wide already and I'm opposed to more things being made so.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Yes

If it ever go account wide, we need a way to refund thse slot purchase for those who bought a lot. For exemple my guild leader made one build of each role, one for pvp, one for farming and some more on all 18 characters. It would be disgusting to just give everyone the same amount of slot as him. So every slot over the per character limit he bought should be given back in crown.

Tandor wrote: »

I have no interest in either so it wouldn't affect me, but as a principle I think there are too many things in the game that have been made account-wide already and I'm opposed to more things being made so.

Exept its exact what should be account wide. I mean its one step remouve from not having crown store mount account wide.

Danikat

Yes

I haven't bought any outfit slots yet because I'm never sure I'd want it on that character. If I could buy one and use it on all my characters I'd definitely buy at least a few.

Tandor wrote: »

I have no interest in either so it wouldn't affect me, but as a principle I think there are too many things in the game that have been made account-wide already and I'm opposed to more things being made so.

I think this is very different to things like account-wide achievements. I know you don't ever use it, but I assume you know how the free outfit slot everyone has works: it may be the same slot but you can design and use a different outfit on each character and use or hide it on each one individually. Additional slots would work the same way.

TaSheen

No

Don't use either, no need for them.

jad11mumbler

Yes

Tandor wrote: »

I have no interest in either so it wouldn't affect me, but as a principle I think there are too many things in the game that have been made account-wide already and I'm opposed to more things being made so.

Crown store purchases like this are the only items that Should be account wide.

1500 per slot, per character, is a rip off.

maximusrex45

Neither (there should be a way to earn additional slots through in game activities)

They are too much for just one slot on one character currently. I have played a lot of MMOs and I have never played one as miserly as ESO. And outfit slots seems an especially strange thing to be cheap on since they sell motifs. In other games I have a bunch setup, but ESO's pricing is basically a big "don't bother" sign.

Hapexamendios

Yes

The fact that they aren't account wide is why I'm not using the armory or more outfits. 1500 crowns for one slot for one character is way too much.

Soarora

Yes

Absolutely. The only reason I don’t buy either of those is because it’s not account wide. If it were account wide I’d start buying them immediately.

maximusrex45

Neither (there should be a way to earn additional slots through in game activities)

Tandor wrote: »

I have no interest in either so it wouldn't affect me, but as a principle I think there are too many things in the game that have been made account-wide already and I'm opposed to more things being made so.

In 30 years of bizarre takes in game forums, I think this one takes the cake. What exactly from the player perspective is the downside to increasing the number of outfit slots one gets account wide?

Destai

Yes

Absolutely. I'm guilty of buying them across multiple toons, so I can tell you it feels like an overreach of their pricing model to me. I wish it were more respectful of my "investment". These upgrades, along with motifs, should really all be account wide.

ArchangelIsraphel

Yes

As account wide armory and outfit slots do not effect game play or the progression of my characters/achievements, I am in favor of these things being account wide.

I would also like more outfit slots per character in general.

Amottica

The poll assumes the cost would be the same or very similar since cost is not mentioned. Also, Zenimax already knows that more would purchase this if it was account wide and the cost remained the same as the per-character version we have now. That does not mean it would generate more revenue since it does mean fewer possible sales can occur and Z probably has analysts that determine a good price point to maximize profits.

I am not arguing against the idea, but just pointing out the reality behind why things are designed as they are now.

DreamyLu

No

Have simply no need for more, so no interest in purchasing, no matter what.

ixthUA

No

I have only 1 character and not going to create more, so current prices of outfit/armory slots are fine for me.
If they were account-wide, their price would be much higher (like 7500 crowns) and i am against this.
Why would ZOS keep the same price and make them to affect all alts? Increasing price is the only reason i can think of.

Aorys

Yes

I would be more likely to buy a few of course

Treeshka

Well i would like it, but what is going to happen if someone has multiple characters which has ten outfit and armory slots that acquired by Crown gifting? Who is going to get refunded and how is that going to happen are some good questions that needs to be answered before proceeding, in my opinion.

Howda

Yes

I bought 9 armory slots and I am using wardrobe for each slots which makes me have endless builds.

If they introduce them to account wide it means I can reconsider playing an alt more seriously. Like a new class for example. Otherwise starting fresh while losing all that utility is a no-no.

ADarklore

It's interesting... people complain about ZOS putting so much focus on Crown Crates, and yet, want them to remove items outside of Crown Crates that earn them income. So they make Armories and Outfits account wide and then have to incentivize Crown Crates even more to make up for the lost revenue.

Obviously WHO WOULDN'T want Armories and Outfits account wide? BUT, this is a big source of revenue for ZOS and they aren't going to do it. Just like Mount upgrades, etc. This is also the reason they will never give us Class change tokens, because they make too much money from people upgrading new characters.

People seem to forget that ZOS is a 'for profit' company that needs to constantly generate revenue and profits to provide return to investors. And unlike FFXIV, ESO has shown that it cannot survive on mandatory subscriptions because the worldwide mass appeal is not there, it's a niche game. So without mandatory subscriptions, they have to generate revenue elsewhere... and unfortunately, it comes down to in-game store items and Crown Crates.

NoxiousBlight

Yes

Yup. I would buy 3-4, honestly.

But we don't have their stats. I bet they are making a ton of cash because I guarantee people are still buying them for individual characters.

Elsonso

Yes

ixthUA wrote: »

I have only 1 character and not going to create more, so current prices of outfit/armory slots are fine for me.
If they were account-wide, their price would be much higher (like 7500 crowns) and i am against this.
Why would ZOS keep the same price and make them to affect all alts? Increasing price is the only reason i can think of.

The current system basically works best when the player only has one character and they never plan to have more. It is the people with alts that suffer, especially if they end up deleting the character. Never buy stuff from the cash shop that is locked to a character! Words of advice.

The thing about Crown store pricing is that it is based entirely on whatever numbers they like. There is no actual consumer value to what they are selling, and players don't even own what they purchase. The Crown store is a Crown sink, and all that is really required is for the store to remove Crowns from player inventories at a certain rate per period of time. People with low Crown inventories tend to buy more, and that is the number they are really chasing.

Personally, I doubt that they are selling so many per-character Armory and Outfit slots that selling them account-wide for 1500 Crowns would change much of anything. Even if that were the case, one cosmetic bundled with 25 Crown Crates would probably make up for it.

The point is that if they changed these to account-wide and then jacked up the price, my thinking is that it would just be due to the fact that they wanted to jack up the price.

Destai

Yes

ADarklore wrote: »

It's interesting... people complain about ZOS putting so much focus on Crown Crates, and yet, want them to remove items outside of Crown Crates that earn them income. So they make Armories and Outfits account wide and then have to incentivize Crown Crates even more to make up for the lost revenue.

Obviously WHO WOULDN'T want Armories and Outfits account wide? BUT, this is a big source of revenue for ZOS and they aren't going to do it. Just like Mount upgrades, etc. This is also the reason they will never give us Class change tokens, because they make too much money from people upgrading new characters.

People seem to forget that ZOS is a 'for profit' company that needs to constantly generate revenue and profits to provide return to investors. And unlike FFXIV, ESO has shown that it cannot survive on mandatory subscriptions because the worldwide mass appeal is not there, it's a niche game. So without mandatory subscriptions, they have to generate revenue elsewhere... and unfortunately, it comes down to in-game store items and Crown Crates.

I mean they have $60+ houses, crown crates, rotating FOMO stock...an entire system built on very well engineered behavioral nudges. I can't imagine that making them account wide would be that big of a ding in their profits. I'm confident they can make that change and still have ample profit and survivability.

Ragnarok0130

Yes

I think SWTOR did this type of thing correctly. If you buy a slot with gold/credits it's character bound, if you purchase it with crowns/cartel coins it's account bound. That might be a solid way to handle it although I'd personally prefer such things to just be account wide.

redlink1979

Yes

I'd buy a couple of armory slots on both accounts and both servers if they were account wide.

Kite42

How can we answer this without knowledge of the proposed new costs and whether we should consider the wider implications?

How much are you proposing for one account-wide armory slot? Is the 1500 per char staying? How are one toon people going to be balanced against the altaholics? Are we supposed to factor in that less revenue will mean less new content and fewer resolved issues?

The question is far too vague.

Elsonso

Yes

ADarklore wrote: »

It's interesting... people complain about ZOS putting so much focus on Crown Crates, and yet, want them to remove items outside of Crown Crates that earn them income. So they make Armories and Outfits account wide and then have to incentivize Crown Crates even more to make up for the lost revenue.

People seem to forget that ZOS is a 'for profit' company that needs to constantly generate revenue and profits to provide return to investors. And unlike FFXIV, ESO has shown that it cannot survive on mandatory subscriptions because the worldwide mass appeal is not there, it's a niche game. So without mandatory subscriptions, they have to generate revenue elsewhere... and unfortunately, it comes down to in-game store items and Crown Crates.

It is not the obligation of the player to generate revenue for the studio and publisher.

Consequently, my feeling is that "lost revenue" is on them. If they feel the need to charge more, then players need to decide if they want to spend their money here, or somewhere else. If the game dies, well, that is sad, but ... and I repeat ... it is not the obligation of the player to generate the revenue. If the game dies, it will not be due to a failing of the players to spend enough money.

I think that the per-character Armory and Outfit slots are lacking in value.

They will continue to ramp up monetization, no matter what happens with these slots. It is the road they are on and they clearly like being on it. They are no where near the end of that road, either. It seems to me that they can toss us a bone and let these slots be account wide and provide us more value at the same price.

Taggund

Yes

At the same price, yes. I would buy several additional slots. If they raised the price, it would be a no.

wolfie1.0.

Anything that is purchased via crowns that cannot be obtained via an in game method should be account wide.

ShadowPaladin

Yes

YES! YES!! YES!!!

1,500 Crowns per Slot, per Char is way overpriced and I don't see - as it already was mentioned in here - that many players have bought and will buy those.

With 1,500 Crowns per Slot, PER ACCOUNT. I and alot of other players would buy them gladly and through our money at ZOS . But not if they would increase the price !!!