What do you think about the revealed Arcanist Skills?

Alcast

The Necrom preview embargo is over and you can finally take a first look at the revealed Arcanist Skills. Please note that the info was taken from an early preview build and things are likely to change.

• Herald of Tome Damage skill line
• Apocryphal Soldier - Tanking skill line
• Curative Runeforms Healing skill line

LunaFlora

it Looks amazing! i did hope for a pet skill however all of these skills sound so fun so im ever more excited for the class than i already was

jaws343

A lot of that looks really broken on paper.

A few standouts are:
- the 10% shield strength and cost passive
- Abyssal impact, 5% more damage to a target...
- Increased spell and weapon damage when gaining resources?
- Pen for skills slotted. Arcanists might be able to fully pen players in PVP without much effort.
- Minor breach skill to enemies attacking you
- Minor protection, minor resolve for allies, and a safety heal in one skill.

BardokRedSnow

Cant wait for the constant cries in cyrodiil to nerf it lol.

Which won't happen likely till the next chapter I imagine.

LukosCreyden

It really is "Hermaeus Mora Cultist; The Class". Too much of a specific theme for me, I want less daedric in my magic.

Mechanically and visually though, it does look really good overall. Some really creative skills. I love the concept of the heal ult! Also the dps hyper beam.

I won't be playing it personally, but I bet there are gonna be a ton of happy new Arcanists on launch. For me, I am hoping for some QOL for the other classes (no-pet magsorc PLEASE) to appear on PTS to help inform my decision on what to play. I REALLY wanna play but... as per my sig, I have no class lol.

phaneub17_ESO

Is the eyeball floaty a permanent pet or temporary? From the looks it seems like the storm atronach.

XSTRONG

Looks cool

SilverBride

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Is the eyeball floaty a permanent pet or temporary? From the looks it seems like the storm atronach.

I hope it's temporary. The last thing I want is an annoying minion in my way all the time.

Luke_Flamesword

Good news for me is that all these "nerf dk" topics on forum will change to "nerf arcanist"

Destai

Honestly, I'm pretty excited. Watched Deltia's and Nefas's videos, and my main concern was assuaged. I was worried about being like Necromancer, which has always felt clunky to me, and that was specifically addressed in Nefas's video. After watching those, I'm only concerned about the aiming called out by Deltia, where some of the skills don't have auto-aim and require a lot more situational awareness. Especially on console, I already find the aiming to have weird logic at times, so it's going to be interesting to see this play out. In any case, looking forward to trying it..

Zezin

It's suuuuuuuuuper POG! OMG I WANT IT NOW.

ADarklore

I can't help but wonder... they say they want people to be able to be full tank without having to rely on other skill lines, but they don't offer a class source for Major Breach, which IMO is extremely important for a tank to provide. Tanking isn't just about taunting, which they did add a class taunt, but no Major Breach.

Mr_Jord_Joe

All Ultimates of Arcanist!

(Herald of the Tome)
The Unblinking Eye
Cast Time: Instant
Target: Ground
Range: 15 meters
Radius: 3 meters
Duration: 6 seconds
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Tear open the fabric of the Aurbis to summon a scion of Hermaeus Mora. This being casts forth a beam that rends asunder reality for 6 seconds and deals X Magic Damage to enemies within 3 meters every 0.5 seconds.

The scion’s beam can be repositioned by recasting The Unblinking Eye.


(Soldier of Apocrypha)
Gibbering Shield
Cast Time: Instant
Target: Self
Duration: 10 seconds
Cost: 200 Ultimate
Gather the true strength of Apocrypha around you, forming protective tentacles and a damage shield that absorbs 50% of all damage for 10 second up to a max of 39107 damage.

When the shield collapses you lash out, dealing all of the damage absorbed as Magic Damage to enemies within 5 metres over 10 seconds.


(Creative Runeforms)
Vitalizing Glyphic
Cast Time: Instant
Target: Ground
Range: 28 meters
Radius: 15 metres
Duration: 15 seconds
Cost: 175 Ultimate
Summon an Apocryphal glyphic saturated with vitalizing energy, which you and your allies can heal. The glyphic spawns at 30% Health and grows stronger the more you heal it.

The antediluvian power within the glyphic pulses every 1 second granting up to X Weapon and Spell Damage and healing you and your allies around it for up to X Health in proportion to its Health.

Mr_Jord_Joe

I feel like they really are ultimates, not ultimates that look like standard skills...

Wow

I haven't check. But does it have summon skills or combat pets at all?

Snamyap

ADarklore wrote: »

I can't help but wonder... they say they want people to be able to be full tank without having to rely on other skill lines, but they don't offer a class source for Major Breach, which IMO is extremely important for a tank to provide. Tanking isn't just about taunting, which they did add a class taunt, but no Major Breach.

We're not seeing the morphs yet.

Shagreth

Was hoping for having a pet like a lurker, but alas..

ZDunlain

I think it is a bit OP tbh, another class with an inmense amount of buffs unlike base classes making it OP by definition.

Remember it is not only how scale the damage on classes and how they can buff or nerf classes abilities. It is the buffs classes have/provide that makes it OP because ZOS can nerf abilities but not major/minor buffs, they are a fixed number.

For example in a PvP perspective, warden is one of the classes that have more buffs compared to others, when you buff a bit wardens, they become an absolute monsters, it doesn't happen with sorcerer for example, just because they dont have that many buffs.

Also seems like the new class have some abilities with many buffs in one skill that provides too much, they will have more buffs in one bar than other classes, I wish ZOS make choose players wich one pick to have more or less the same amount instead of put 3 or 4 buffs in one ability.

Another point is that the class visuals are amazing for sure, making other classes really outdated with a need of new visuals, if not some skill lines rework, (not like the new spear of templars, [snip] imho) .

[edited for bashing]

logan68

its nothing that isnt already in the game.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Why is the green so damn bright. That green looks even worse than templar's light.

I_killed_Vivec

jaws343 wrote: »

A lot of that looks really broken on paper.

A few standouts are:
- the 10% shield strength and cost passive
- Abyssal impact, 5% more damage to a target...
- Increased spell and weapon damage when gaining resources?
- Pen for skills slotted. Arcanists might be able to fully pen players in PVP without much effort.
- Minor breach skill to enemies attacking you
- Minor protection, minor resolve for allies, and a safety heal in one skill.

It's worse than that...

Gain crux and proc 2 passives: Fated Fortune increases critical damage, Hideous Clarity regains mag/stam.

Regaining mag/stam procs Harnessed Quintessence, which increases weapon/spell power.

Spamming Runeblades will generate crux, and so:

- Increase critical damage
- Regain mag/stam
- Increase weapon/spell power

while also giving either a splash effect or increased crit for the morphs.

And increasing the damage for the majority of subsequent skills you use because of the crux you generate.

chessalavakia_ESO

I'm surprised the embargo didn't hold till the presentation as I think an introduction with visuals would sell it better than text.

I don't think I'm really the audience for the class at all.

Snamyap wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I can't help but wonder... they say they want people to be able to be full tank without having to rely on other skill lines, but they don't offer a class source for Major Breach, which IMO is extremely important for a tank to provide. Tanking isn't just about taunting, which they did add a class taunt, but no Major Breach.

We're not seeing the morphs yet.

If you go to Alcast's skill line pages you see the morphs.

Soarora

Seems really overpowered in debuff/buffs/dps of supports like it will shake up what the go-to trial configuration will be and increase in-content damage ceilings, which I find insulting since everyone got nerfed already because damage was too high…

jaws343

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

I'm surprised the embargo didn't hold till the presentation as I think an introduction with visuals would sell it better than text.

I don't think I'm really the audience for the class at all.

Snamyap wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I can't help but wonder... they say they want people to be able to be full tank without having to rely on other skill lines, but they don't offer a class source for Major Breach, which IMO is extremely important for a tank to provide. Tanking isn't just about taunting, which they did add a class taunt, but no Major Breach.

We're not seeing the morphs yet.

If you go to Alcast's skill line pages you see the morphs.

Thanks for pointing out the morphs in the skill line break outs.

Wow, that rune of displacement morph is insane. They are giving Arcanists a skill that is basically Dark Convergence. Wild...

emilyhyoyeon

Why does the unique X% damage taken debuff skill have to be the tentacle arm meh

virtus753

Soarora wrote: »

Seems really overpowered in debuff/buffs/dps of supports like it will shake up what the go-to trial configuration will be and increase in-content damage ceilings, which I find insulting since everyone got nerfed already because damage was too high…

Which is consistent with removing something in anticipation of adding it back in something new: War Horn lost Toughness so Wardens could get it, then Wardens lost pen per skill so Arcanist could get it.

They are removing things to resell them in newer packages. ETA: And now I see there will be a mythic that increases skill damage while decreasing LAs and HAs? So yet another example of them stripping things to resell them.

Don't get me wrong. I'm curious to see how Arcanist ends up on the PTS and then on live. It seems like a fun new shiny to play with, although I can't tell from the descriptions how active the micromanagement will need to be (similar to how the original Warden and Necro were explicitly intended to be much more micromanagement-intensive than, say, Templar).

It's not a problem if the new shiny earns a place in group content - it would be sad to see it not competitive - but we already have a problem right now where a single class is so hands-down powerful in terms of damage and support that you stack a comp with it to the exclusion of certain other classes. I hope Arcanist doesn't repeat the pattern. It should be fun and feel good to play without being dominant, and that's been proving a challenge for the developers at this point in the game.

ZDunlain

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

A lot of that looks really broken on paper.

A few standouts are:
- the 10% shield strength and cost passive
- Abyssal impact, 5% more damage to a target...
- Increased spell and weapon damage when gaining resources?
- Pen for skills slotted. Arcanists might be able to fully pen players in PVP without much effort.
- Minor breach skill to enemies attacking you
- Minor protection, minor resolve for allies, and a safety heal in one skill.

It's worse than that...

Gain crux and proc 2 passives: Fated Fortune increases critical damage, Hideous Clarity regains mag/stam.

Regaining mag/stam procs Harnessed Quintessence, which increases weapon/spell power.

Spamming Runeblades will generate crux, and so:

- Increase critical damage
- Regain mag/stam
- Increase weapon/spell power

while also giving either a splash effect or increased crit for the morphs.

And increasing the damage for the majority of subsequent skills you use because of the crux you generate.

Also provide you and the group with minor evasion because you used an arcanist skill, this is disgusting hahahaha.

Zos please give em an instakill ability too lol.

BloodyStigmata

At a glance this class looks absurdly powerful, but I imagine once PTS goes live and everyone and their guar is testing it out things will be reigned in a little.

Only a little though. Gotta nerf it after it's made you enough money.

HappyTheCamper

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Cant wait for the constant cries in cyrodiil to nerf it lol.

Which won't happen likely till the next chapter I imagine.

The second Whitestrake’s Mayhem is about to get crazy!

SpacemanSpiff1

they need to be buffed and made brighter

BardokRedSnow

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

Good news for me is that all these "nerf dk" topics on forum will change to "nerf arcanist"

shhhh xD

Best response tho lol. Games gonna be weird with all the anime tentacles flying eveywhere aesthetically